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Would you believe the God of the Bible if you knew the Bible were true?

Although I don't think this thread should be relegated to 'weird stuff', It's probably where it will end up. So, I've done it myself. :)

On to the question, though. I've heard many people say things like, "Well, if God is like THAT, then I don't want to worship Him anyway." My assertion is that a statement like this proves that one is not interested in truth, but only in what he/she would like to believe is truth.

Since I was a child, I have asked questions about everything. One of my math teachers used to laugh because I would never accept "just because" for an answer. I always had to know why something was the way it was. I despised being lied to about anything, whether it was Santa Claus or sex. I suppose that's why I ended up here.

I can't understand why others stop short of finding out the whys. I'm even more surprised that people in the 'liberty movement', don't want to dig deeper when confronted with uncomfortable ideas.

If you want truth, you will be willing to accept it regardless of how you have to change your life to conform to it. If it means that you cannot be a sodomite, you will change. If it means you cannot send your children to public school, you will change. If it means rejecting previous religious beliefs, you will change. And on and on the list could go.

God says in His Word, that if you seek you will find. But, the fact of the matter is, most people don't want truth very badly. They would rather stay comfortable and hope that what they believe is true. If you make up your mind that you will accept and embrace the truth, even if it is the God of the Bible, then you will find. As long as you say, "I'll accept truth if it is.....", you will never find it.

I made up my mind long ago that even if God WAS a brutal authoritarian, I would serve Him--if He was true. Even if He said things I didn't like, I would worship Him if He was really God. Of course, I found that He loves me and wants the best for me and every other human being. But, to find this, I had to be willing to believe truth whatever I found it to be.

Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." He was (in the words of C.S. Lewis) either a Liar, a Lunatic, or the Lord Himself.

As many hours as I spend researching and reading, this life is not enough for me to understand--it's so short--a tiny dash between two dates on a tombstone. I want to know where I am going when I die---the "me" that is inside my body. If there is a God who will give me these answers, I want to know.

I have now found and can attest to you that Jesus Christ is TRUTH. He is God Almighty come down to make a way for us to God. But, I cannot desire truth for you--that is something only you can do. So, ask yourself today, "How important is truth to me?" And know this, liberty will never succeed without it.



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A couple questions for the truth seeking OP

Why do you believe that God exsists?

Would Satan exist if there were no God in the first place?

What is your criteria for disproof? In other words...how would you know if you were wrong about the exsistance of God?

Why has God never healed an amputee?

If the catholic clergy (who have been molesting children for decades) was some other group...say a bunch of team managers who make up the individual regional offices of a national youth rock climbing group, do you think the team mangers and the rock climbing group in general...would be afforded the same respect and offered similar considerations as catholic priests, the pope, and the catholic church?

I have no respect for the pope. He's a man who sets himself

up as God. Jesus is NOT the catholic church.

As a matter of fact, God has healed an amputee. A friend of ours was a missionary to India and saw it himself. But, I don't expect you to take my word for it. The Bible is God's word and tells us that Jesus healed many people while He was here.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

But, isn't lying a "sin"?

"As a matter of fact, God has healed an amputee. A friend of ours was a missionary to India and saw it himself."

"But, I don't expect you to take my word for it."

-Why? Cause it's painfully obvious you made that up?

I should've known you would scoff...You don't believe God

Himself. I still love you and want to see you in Heaven. A lot of scoffers find the truth at some point in their lives.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I shake my head

Why do you believe that God exsists?
Because I know love.

Would Satan exist if there were no God in the first place?
Evil is the absence of good, good is the absence of evil.

What is your criteria for disproof? In other words...how would you know if you were wrong about the exsistance of God?
I lack to desire to do so, so can't answer in a way that would satisfy you.

Why has God never healed an amputee?
Karma.

If the catholic clergy blah blah blah?
Pedaphilia is always repugnant and immoral.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

to the cowards who downvoted me

can you at least have the courtesy to say why? How can there be an exchange if you disagree but won't say what the disagreement is. This is my biggest irk on the DP. You shouldn't downvote without saying why - it says you don't have the courage of your convictions. Cowards.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

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"Why do you believe God exists?" While those words form an obvious question, it should be recognized that the structure of the sentence is critical and therefore of more importance. We must first define 'God' in the way you are asking.

Are you asking:

Do you believe that God exists? (as a physical being)

or

Do you believe that God exists? (as something else)

The reason these formulated differences are significant is that either way you ask, a response in the form of 'yes' would then require validity, fact, or "scientific evidence" of PROOF.

A problematic scenario for the observer, to believe with the heart what is felt but to deny the mind of what it knows by sight.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

oops

wrong thread

My hope

Is that all of the Christians on the DP go read The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine. He obliterates the huge shortcomings and fallacies of the bible in record time. You don't even need a hitchens or dawkins type deduction of faith. I know it's extremely hard to get over your cultural upbringing in any sort of ideology or faith. I know, I used to get offended when people made fun of christianity even after I had stopped going to church and taking the bible literally. I know why my mother believes in God, and it has to do with the hard times she had in her life, I understand why people believe. I just don't like when people proselytize, which is what downvoting dissenting opinions is. This site gives Christians a bad name. Every detraction of the bible or the jesus mythology is met with a herd of partisan down voting. Nothing but the confirmation bias we all apparently pretend to abhor. if you hold faith so dearly, why aren't you all keynesians? If you want to believe in magic and good intentions without evidence, go join that cult too.

No train to Stockholm.

Hitchens who?

Dawkins has said himself that its not that he doubts a God exists he just has no reason to believe in it without proof... meaning he is NOT a man of faith and perhaps the cause of his short vision.

"If you want to believe in Magic and good intentions.." sounds like the current Scientific Theory about the Big Cosmic Bang..

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

It's extremely common for

It's extremely common for religious people to use, "science is a religion too!" as an insult.

I always laugh at this notion for two reasons.
It undermines the premise of holding a religion in the first place, otherwise why employ it pejoratively, and secondly, it clearly indicates their level of ability or willingness to use appropriate terminology in a discussion which demands such.

.... lol

Glad it made you laugh, but it would have been better had you said something important.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

hur dur

This highlights another commonality among the religious - confirmation bias; assigning importance with partiality toward one's preconceived notions.

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How does one separate Science and Knowledge?

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Science is an expression of

Science is an expression of the pursuit for knowledge.

No

Study is an expression towards the pursuit of science. Science is an english word with the latin meaning of "Knowledge; to know"

I can talk about quantum physics, the big bang, evolution and speciation, interplanetary harmonics, black holes, and dark energy... if you would like.

It changes nothing about my choice to be Christian.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

The intention of your question

Was to be pretentious about a semantic interpretation?

"Study is an expression towards the pursuit of science. Science is an english word with the latin meaning of "Knowledge; to know"

You should probably tell all of those dictionary and encyclopedia companies that they got it wrong. See, they're content to use these long, multi-part explanations for words where they don't just say Word X = Word Z.

For example:
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sci·ence

noun /ˈsīəns/ 
sciences, plural

1. The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment
- the world of science and technology

2. A particular area of this
- veterinary science
- the agricultural sciences

3. A systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject
- the science of criminology

4. Knowledge of any kind
------------------------------------

See? Four meanings for just one word. Some words are like that.
I guess the fourth and third definitions coincide with yours, while the first and second do with mine. So who's right? Easy - I am. You denied one of the valid interpretations of the word, which is incorrect.

"I can talk about quantum physics, the big bang, evolution and speciation, interplanetary harmonics, black holes, and dark energy... if you would like.

It changes nothing about my choice to be Christian."

I have no interest in trying to convert you to atheism.

Agree 100%

Prepare to be down voted.

No, prepare to be downvoted

for being a pompous, judgemental jerk. At least his comment was reasonable and didn't smack of superiority.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

You're going to follow me

You're going to follow me around now like a butthurt little baby?
Get a life you nutter. Maybe try analyzing your own beliefs and why you hold them rather than asserting their truth and getting pissy when people dissent.

AS IT WAS SAID.............

........If yere were no god, man would have to create one!

Mark Twain

James

Man already has created his own god

Mankind as a whole, has rejected the very God who created all things, and who has sent His Son to be the propitiation for sin, but man has rejected that and has chosen to rather serve his own god(s).

In the end God will not be mocked...you shall reap what you sow!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Christians, lol

Your title question is silly - how can you not believe something that you know? I think you meant to ask, "would you worship," not, "would you believe."

The answer, of course, is no. I would not worship a tyrant (your own word) even if I knew or believed it existed. I especially wouldn't worship an invisible tyrant that nobody could prove even existed.

Truth is very important to me. When you've found it, and you can explain any one of the empirical or rational evidences for it, I'll be all ears, but your own personal experiences are proof of nothing.

I believed in God before I could read

God doesn't need the Bible for proof of His existance, and we certainly don't need the Bible to know that. Proof of God doesn't come from a book, it come from personal experience with God Himself. No matter how many times you're told a fire will burn you, until you experience that burn for yourself, you won't have that experience of fire. Knowledge is useless without experience. I don't like limiting an omnipotent, omniscient God to the confines of one path. God is everything. Confining and compartmentalizing Him feels like blasphemy to me. Throw away the box and know Him.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Feel bad for you

Sucks to be indoctrinated by your parents before you can even read.

I feel bad for you for being so judgemental

You don't know me well enough to make such a statement. But I can, now that I have experienced the kinds of statements you make, determine you are a smug, 'holier than thou', close-minded, pompous jerk.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Sure, I do. You just gave me

Sure, I do. You just gave me all of the proof necessary with your little story. Your parents indoctrinated you and you still graciously lap it all up. If you were raised in a Hindu household in a Hindu region, you'd be steadfastly Hindu because you are susceptible to religious propaganda from your parents.

Judgmental? That's a word people often use when they're afraid of valid criticism. I find nothing morally, ethically, intellectually, philosophically or socially wrong with judgment when people willfully submit themselves to be judged. If you weren't trying to spread your ideas they wouldn't be criticized. That's the risk you take when you interact with other people. Get over it.

GREAT AND SOUNDS GOOD...

Does everyone believe in Obama...?

James

"Jesus said, "I am the Way,

"Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

How do you know he said that?

"I have now found and can attest to you that Jesus Christ is TRUTH. He is God Almighty come down to make a way for us to God. "

And you know this because...?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...