Time to Ready for a 3rd Party Run!
I want somebody that I can vote for with a clear conscience....Seeing as how ony 5-10% of the Republican Party Primary base appears to have a brain,winning the GOP nomination seems next to impossible...It's time to think ahead...Dr.Paul does best with young people and intelligent Independents...If the election is between two Establishment Clowns like McCain and Hitlery(which appears likely),his best bet to educate the ignorant masses about true liberty would be a well-financed,enthusiastic 3rd Party Run ...he's got a dedicated fan base of more intelligent than the average voter supporter and we've got the power to raise money...Bet ALOT of people will be frustrated at the horrible choice they will face this November between War-Monger and The Cuckold Communist....
Concrete plan laid out
I agree Paul needs to put out a ten point plan to get us moving in the right direction.
For ex.
End income tax is good.
Create a better free trade plan than Nafta and Cafta's
Something like a contract with America to simplify for people.
Davy C Rockett
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3rd party Paul etc.
My wish is that Ron Paul would be asked a question on the LA debate and he answers with how he has a huge following and contributions from all types of people, how he is different than the others on stage with him. He then proceeds to announce that he is so different than then that he must renounce the party and form a new independent Constitutionalist party. He walks off the stage leaving the debate in total disarray with the press unable to ingnore or erase the live event. All the Paulites in the audience then stand and leave the room in SLOW orderly fashion chanting RON PAUL RON PAUL PAUL IS PEACE PAUL IS PEACE
I also wish Jesse Ventura might be VP and get alot of INDY votes. Who knows why these people are voting for the warmongers!?!?!
jmo
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No 3rd Party Run...but do use the leverage
Don't go 3rd Party unless Giuliani gets the nomination. He is so hated by the Social Conservatives that a Dr. Paul/Social Conservative Coalition could have significant backing behind it.
Rather than declaring third party
it might be useful to act like a third party contender while campaigning as a Republican. If he were to be more aggressively antiwar and make appearances with prominent antiwar persons, including Kucinich, Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink, it would fuel speculation that he is about to announce third party at any minute. This waiting for the other shoe to drop might induce intense speculation and news coverage, and make the Iraq War a higher priority amongst voters, something the controlled media is trying to stamp out.
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It's simple if you know anything
It's simple...
If you can't vote for Ron Paul in the general election in November, then vote for the Libertarian candidate.
Meanwhile, all of you who misuse the term, Third Party, need to get better educated. Bloomberg running as an Independent is not a third party activity. Neither would Ron running as an independent. Get it? "Independent" means NOT running with ANY party, it does not mean third party.
The Libertarian Party is THE third party in the US, consistently on the ballot in almost every state, and raising a Prez/VP ticket every cycle since 1972.
Those of you who don't have any idea about all this need to at least be careful not to complain about the media blackout until you cure your own proactive ignorance: it's been all over the place that Ron is a Libertarian, yet you don't know that there's a political party that runs candidates almost like him all over the country every year!
And you don't have to "take over" the party. Just vote for its candidates. They are everywhere.
I know many of you had your heads in the sand until Dr NO woke you up, and I commend you for waking up, but now it's time to stay awake in class!
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Either way, the generalities have to stop and hemust go negative
Ron Paul is going to have to focus on issues that differentiate himself from everyone. It clearly is NOT enough to use the words "freedom" and "liberty" and "Constitution". Everyone uses the first two and the word "Constitution" does not mean anything to most people over 50 because the so-called "greatest generation" was brainwashed to think that the CFR ideology made the US the "greatest country in the world" and the "most free country in the world" while the MSM made sure not to talk about the "Constitution". So that word means nothing.
I keep insisting that the only path to power is to talk about Internet regulation and free speech with specific examples of what McCain has done against freedom there.
"Going negative" is always a winner if it is done above the belt. Against McCain, it would be below the belt to mention how he killed 134 of his men when he crashed a plane on the Forrestal. But it would be fair to show how he works with evangelists and feminist groups to to regulate the Internet (free speech and right to assemble via social interaction sites).
I agree
We can't fight the Democrats, Press and the GOP and hope to make much headway. What we need is a real Revolution......the creation of a viable 3rd Party. Name the dang thing "The Ron Paul Party" (RPP) With proper funding, it would work. It's become pretty obvious, you have to buy your publicity. We would either have to create a grassroot money fund of an additional $20 mm, or Ron would have to find a very wealthy running mate that just happens to believe in the cause with his/her checkbook. Look, Ross Perot got 20% of the general, and he was fighting the press just like Ron is. People may be a little warmer to the 3rd party idea now. Ross came from zero political background. Ron's been around the political process now for 20 years. With the right team of brainpower and money, this would be our best chance. We could really energize the grassroot troops. If we keep returning single digit results, enthusiasm will slow, and so will money. Just like they want. Might be time to consider a different stategy for success.
alan laney
I dont like this idea.
Your sounding as if you heard the fat lady sing and as if it is completely over. Its not. Let the campaign HQ decide when and if its time to give up on the republican nominee. This is just another negative post. Enough with it. Giuliani and Thompson are about ready to get out... Mccain and Huck dont have funds to continue... all this will narrow the field. It'll wind up being Ron Paul vs. one or two other candidates. Ron Paul can pull an upset.
Its too early to start talking about 3rd party runs.
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I say, hell yes!
How about a Peoples Party? That ought to scare the s*** out of the "establishment". I was quiet in the 70's during the war. I ain't goin' out like that this time. No more "quiet into the night" bs!
We can do it because we have the Great Equalizer (WWW) and we can raise tons of money! The elite and MSM would have no choice but to notice. Why? Because money and numbers carry a lot of weight.
Wouldn't you just love to thrash them with the alternative media whip? God how I would love to see the beady-eyed bastards squirm! Hey campaign Carl? Who's your Daddy? Who's your Daddy?
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Paul Congress
There are people working on this.
http://www.paulcongress.com/
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So if we don't run third party
we still get what we don't want.
So just give up after Paul doesn't win nomination is what some Paulites are saying, if that be the case.
I'm in this to the end to get RP elected. Not to continue the status quo. I'll continue to give money, talk to people, etc... but if RP doesn't get the nomination then what?
Remember both parties are the same, more big government, more loss of liberties, more moving towards unconstitutional government, etc...
Davy C Rockett
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Let's start a website...
... brainstorm and get our ducks in order... those who say Ross Perot got 19% of the vote and made no difference, I disagree... we balanced the budget after Ross Perot... Ron Paul's revolution is many times more powerful than the Ross Perot movement... those who blame Perot for Clinton winning the White House don't get it... you vote your conscience not for the lesser of two evils... if Paul gets 15% of the vote.. foreign wars and entanglements will stop in a hurry... a third party bid keeps his message alive and gives us all a reason to live...
Plano TX
3rd Party group forming now on MySpace
There is a group forming on MySpace to begin the movement for a 3rd party run. I have heard they include some Buchanan '96 and 2000 guys who have expertise on gaining ballot access and are working right now to lay out a strategy. The main site isnt up and running yet but they have a thumbnail sketch at mySpace. I suggest you all add them as friends if you're on MySpace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewpro...
www.ronpaulrising.com !!
SIgn the petition!
Third Party - Forget it.
Someone remember (if old enough) Ross Perot who got 19% of total vote?
His run was main reason why Bill Clinton got into White House.
RP independent candidacy would get either Neo-Con or Neo-Lib into White House.
Maybe it would not take that much more to win
lvostro,
The way things are looking, we have Ralf Nader running on the Green ticket, Bloomberg spending hundreds of millions on an independent run, the Dems and Republicans are unpopular, the Libertarians would vote none of the above at their may convention if Ron goes independent so that they can support Ron, he could do it.
We need Steve Forbes as a running mate. This is from this week's commentary. Sounds like he has been hanging around Ron Paul.
The dumbest, most destructive economic policy of the Bush Administration has been its weak-dollar position--letting the dollar slide in value against the euro, the yen, the pound and gold. The repeatedly disproved theory in operation here is that cheapening your currency will improve your trade balance and that an improved trade balance makes your economy stronger and wealthier. Put aside the meaninglessness of the trade balance as a measure of economic health or sickness--the U.S., after all, has had a trade deficit with the rest of the world for 350 years out of the last 400. A weak-currency policy has disastrous economic and political consequences--most immediately, our tumultuous equity markets.
Look at what's happened since the Federal Reserve began creating excess money in 2004. The already booming housing market was, in effect, shot up with steroids as lending standards were lowered to put all the excess liquidity to work. We are still feeling the effects of the subprime mortgage crisis, as banks tighten up on lending (they don't even want to lend to each other, which tells you something), which in turn has sharply slowed the economy.
Banks themselves engaged in a binge of creating off-balance-sheet structures, most notably with so-called SIVs (structured investment vehicles). The idea was that you could generate juicy fees packaging subprime mortgages and could finance them with commercial paper and not have to set capital aside. Voilà! Returns on capital blossomed! Now many of these institutions are scrambling for infusions of capital from Asia and the Middle East, as circumstances force them to put these bizarre, loss-laden vehicles back on their balance sheets. The banks' behavior is inexcusable. But, as with bartenders who continue to ply drunken patrons with drinks, the Federal Reserve bears a heavy responsibility for creating loads of excess capital in the first place and the Bush White House for winking and nodding while the dollar was being debased.
The geopolitical fallout from the weak dollar is all around us: Terrorist Iran gets massive windfalls for its oil; ditto Venezuela under its wounded but still reigning lunatic, Hugo Chávez; Russia becomes more truculently anti-American with each uptick in the price of oil; so-called sovereign funds buy up U.S. corporate assets at fire-sale prices; China, which outsourced its monetary policy to the Fed in the mid-1990s when it tied the yuan to the greenback, now faces increasingly destabilizing inflation; and oil-lacking developing countries, many of them fledgling democracies, are being hit with potentially destabilizing economic squeezes.
The prices of oil and other commodities are surging primarily because of the weak dollar. Between mid-2003 and the beginning of 2008 oil has zoomed from $25 a barrel to almost $100. Real demand in oil didn't suddenly massively increase to justify a nearly fourfold rise in price. The best indicator of inflation is gold. In this same time period the yellow metal has zoomed from around $350 an ounce to more than $800 an ounce. More than $50 of the per-barrel price of oil today comes from inflation and the speculation that inflation induces.
President Bush should promptly reverse the government's destructive course by boldly declaring that the U.S. will now actively support the integrity of its currency ( see Current Events). Bush aides might say that the President is no economist and must therefore rely on advice from the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve, even if it is manifestly misguided.
John Kennedy was no economist either, yet he didn't hesitate to declare that the dollar should be as good as gold. Bill Clinton was no economist, but he understood that a weak dollar and the ensuing inflation it begets destroyed Jimmy Carter's (nyse: CRI - news - people ) presidency. Ronald Reagan actually did study economics, and he was willing to pay a severe but, thankfully, short-term political price to break the inflation fever gripping the country in the early 1980s.
If President Bush is too befuddled or fearful to act now to shore up the dollar, the markets will force him to do so fairly soon. It would be better to act ahead of events than to be seen responding to them defensively and belatedly.
Buchanan came in 2nd to Bob Dole....in '96
and had no effect on the selection process(though perhaps some effect on the platform,which nobody reads anyway).....I don't think that's necessarily a good idea....The only thing the GOP understands is electoral defeat directly traceable to an abandoment by limited government,pro-liberty voters....
Ron Paul'08
you nailed it, robo14...
In one simple sentence: "The only thing the GOP understands is electoral defeat."
Thats it!!!!
Those who say running 3rd party is a bad move...
just don't seem to get it. My question to you is: just who do you plan to vote for if RP ends his campaign and goes back to his congresional district?
RP has been trumpeting the cause of freedom and liberty for a couple decades, and what has happened to the Republican Party in that time? The neocons took over and the party moved farther away from the message of the constitution, not closer to it.
Just like someone who gets cheated on by their significant other, the only way you are going to prove that you are serious is to leave. By staying, not only do you condone your "lover's" cheating, you actually give him/her the evidence that he/she needs to keep doing it. All your speeches to the contrary about staying faithful mean nothing if you actually stay.
Likewise, we can make all the speeches we want, we can canvass all we want, converting as many people to the message of liberty we want, and in the end, if RP ends up going back to his district and we all vote Republican, all our work will have been for naught. Because not only would the GOP not change, you will be giving them the very reason (your vote), NOT to change.
Seriously, think about it. I reiterate the same question: Come this Novemeber, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR??? If you vote republican, why should the party change? You will have voted for a neocon warmonger. Why should they change? More to the point, how could they change? You are telling them not to change.
The only way this movement is going to prove that it has gonads is to go the distance, so to speak. That is, RP is going to have to run 3rd party, and we are going to have to vote for him as a 3rd party candidate, Otherwise, you are all talk. We are going to have to show to the RP that WE ARE NOT going to change. That our message in non-negotiable, that we will vote for the candidate who best exemplifies the message of the Constitution, and if that man only gets 5% of the vote, then so be it, but our reputation will be INTACT. It is not for sale to the highest bidder. Our vote goes for liberty, period.
In any case, you want the Republican Party to change, then make 'em lose. The only way the GOP is going to change is to hit rock bottom. They will have to see Hillary walk into the Oval Office as President before they realize they have lost their way, that they have forgotten the message of liberty and limited government. They will learn that lesson no sooner. If you dont have the stones to vote 3rd party and deal with the consequences of seeing Hillary in office, then the GOP has you by the balls, they will know you are "all talk," and don't have the guts to follow your convictions. And you will be, to be blunt, a sap.
WELL SAID!
Great comments, well said. Paul should go independent if he doesn't win after Super Tuesday. Sure he'll be marginalized (actually, he'll be in the news more because the media knows that he'll split the vote and causes the GOP to lose).
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If Ron Paul does not win the Republican nomination so we can vote for him, then what are we going to do? There is NO WAY I'm going to vote for any of the other Republican candidates. And like you are saying, if Ron Paul does not switch to a 3rd party run (only if he doesn't get the Republican nomination) and we don't get to vote for him, then why should anyone vote for any of the rest of these jokers - which ever one ends up as the Republican candidate?
I will be voting for either the Democratic nominee or the 3rd party nominee (possibly writing Ron Paul's name on the ballet if possible). Otherwise, if we go ahead and vote in one of these other "Republicans", then there will certainly be no reason for them to "change".
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Well Bob
If your scenerio is right and Paul doesn't run third party, we can all say hello to a democrat president with probably a democrat controlled congress.
Say hello to the same thing we have now. Perhaps even like today a President with no balls.
I will fight for a third party run if that be our only option.
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That would change what?
I agree that the Dems will control the next congress. Who the next President will be is still up in the air. The polls seem to say that the Republicans could win with somebody like McCain. (God save America!) I agree that the next President isn't likely to be any better than what we have now. But given all of that I'd rather have Paul in congress fighting the system than Paul out of congress.
Please note I'm not saying we should all vote for the Republican Presidential candidate. I am a Republican but I do sometimes vote 3rd party. I couldn't vote for Rudy as for the rest of them it would depend on how much the Dem scared me and if I thought my home state of Connecticut was going to be close. Its a lot easier to vote 3rd party when you realize that your state's electoral votes are going to 1 side or the other by a big margin.
Third party will not guaranty change. Running as an 'R" will.
Continiuing to run as Republican, racking up delegate votes will bring change no matter the outcome.
With our delegate votes and the likelihood of a brokered convention we can bring change on the convention floor.
The more delegate votes, the more nicey-nicey the other candidates will become.
If we win, we hold all the cards. If we do not win, we still hold some valuable cards. We can negotiate the end of the Patriot Act, negotiate ending the US Dept. of Education, ending No Child Left Behind, cabinet positions, etc.
Want to see a great convention. Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KJABfBN6ew&feature=related
When watching this video, Remember, Goldwater was for ending the war in Vietnam. He and Reagan were talking about the loss of liberty. That is the "fear " Rockerfeller was telling the convention that Reagan and Goldwater were peddling. Goldwater was promoting peace through strength.
What Delegates
What delegates? We are not winning delegates of any size to speak of.
After Feb 5th; time to take another look at a fourth party run.
It's the plan
Even though he's not getting much publicity, if he ran 3rd party, he wouldn't get any at all. I think he's brilliant to milk this cow for whatever she has to offer.
I'm tired of holding my nose when I vote!
Feb. 5th isn't that far away and it's painfully obvious many of our countrymen remain in a MSM -induced stupor.
In the beginning I had much more faith in my fellow man than I do now. Robo's right, 5%-10% isn't near enough. If for no other reason than to educate the masses, RP should keep running as long as he can.
To be honest, if my choices are Hitlery and McPain, I simply will not vote. And I'm willing to bet the farm there are a WHOLE LOT of other people that feel the same way.
What's more important, maintaining the status quo or, waking the masses?
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!
We have to do SOMETHING!....If that means announcing that we will organize disillusioned Republicans to OPENLY DENOUNCE the road that the GOP has taken,then so be it!....Dr.Paul can either run or not,but should be a voicebox for change....If Hillary gets in,that's tough....
Ron Paul'08
It takes a billionaire
And, even assuming you can supply one, it's unlikely to work. Look at history. We have a duopoly. Our only chance is winning a brokered Republican convention. It won't be easy, especially if the campaign ignores golden-platter opportunities like the recent Howard Stern thing...
JMR
Won't vote for liberals in either party!
Many I know are not going to vote for the lesser of two liberal evils.
That's what makes a third party run in 2008, different than any other third party run in a long time.
Who here would vote for Romney or McCain just to keep another different kind of liberal from getting into office. Not I.
Or why would anybodyvote for the same thing in Nov 2008.
Remember there is no diference between the two parties right now, otherwise Paul would not even have a following.
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