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I'm sick of NASA. I'm sick of PBS. I'm sick of the Scientific Royalty.

Does anyone else have a problem with the Bill Nyes, Neil degrasse Tysons, and the rest of these government scientists?

Just because you are an excellent scientist does not mean you aren't completely ignorant to even a basic grasp of where prosperity comes from.

These jerks are self-serving cronies. They love the monopoly the state has on education. That's quite a conflict interest if you ask me! If massive favoritism wasn't given to these people the free market would undoubtedly yield better minds and innovations.

"Cutting PBS support (0.012% of budget) to help balance the Federal budget is like deleting text files to make room on your 500Gig hard drive"~Neil degrasse Tysons

The assumption is that science is improved through the collectivization and nationalization of education. Einstein was the same way. Elitists pigs.

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NASA Films Massive Circular Coronal Mass Ejection! May 1, 2013.

Solar Flare Dwarfs Earth, May 1, 2013 ~ NASA 12 second film (2.5 hour time lapse). Submitted by Mark Twain.

http://www.NASA.gov NASA's Internet site. Solar "Believe it or not."

"Laughter which cannot be suppressed is catching. Sooner or later it washes away our defenses, and undermines our dignity, and we join in it -- ashamed of our weakness, and embittered against the cause of its exposure, but no matter, we have to join in, there is no help for it." - Indiantown by Mark Twain

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Even Ron Paul wasn't wasting his breath attacking PBS

Dr. Paul said that PBS and many other piddling federal programs aren't the proper constitutional role of government but that, no, he wasn't going to go after them as he formulated a balanced budget.

We need to cut TRILLIONS not tens of millions from the budget. Any politician suggesting cutting PBS before hacking off hundreds of billions from entitlements and defense is a douchebag and a coward.

NASA and PBS are not a menace to a free society even though they aren't the proper role of government. So what's got your panties in a bunch?

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

So you're faulting "excellent

So you're faulting "excellent scientists" for not being mediocre economists?

Why wouldn't a scientist (or anybody else) be self serving? I admire scientists who are serving themselves -- pursing their own interests and fields of inquiry. How could that be bad?

Tyson's hard drive analogy is quite good. It's accurate and he was pointing out that when R's go after PBS they just do so to place a hare lure in front of their panting greyhound base; they aren't proposing squat in terms of cutting our debt and they're pissing off the other side -- perhaps even trying to make sure nothing gets done by leading with a polarizing issue. His point is that if you're up to your eyeballs in debt or bits, don't start with deleting text files (PBS); start with videos (medicare).

I don't know what you mean by your last graph. Certainly science is improved by the sharing of ideas, which implies some collective group of folks who respect each other and wish to share. Collectivism isn't a bad word unless someone makes you be in a collective you don't want to be in. Voluntary collectivism is supercool. I find it hard to believe that cutting edge scientific inquiry is ruled by collectivism in the pejorative sense. I've read and watched scientists nearly come to blows over competing hypotheses.

Where are you getting these ideas that our elite and excellent scientists are being neutered through collectivization? Einstein was mocked and maligned in his early years. His general relativity theory is under intense scrutiny by many naysayers, including me, today.

Where are you even getting the idea that elite is bad? Perhaps from the same well from which you draw that self-serving is bad. I'd trust an elite scientist over an ordinary, run-of-the-mill scientist any day.

I guess I just don't get where your anger toward scientists is coming from. If you're angry about government grants that fund scientific research to such an extent that it crowds out free market funding, your beef is with the voters who elected leaders who would fund such a system. Whomever or however you've been baited to attack scientists rather than the real culprits -- voters -- just say no to such red herrings.

I contacted Neil DeGrasse Tyson

just a few months back in regard to the book I am working on and the chapter of quantum physics. I asked if he may be interested in speaking at my school but it is $45,000 to have him speak at a University...

I am sick of the scientific community intentionally warping the public understanding of how simplistic the Universe works and is. To keep us in wonder though is to keep the book purchases re-occurring, or so I suppose.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Funny how this 13 year old

Funny how this 13 year old foiled lion attacks without being educated by these schools: http://www.dailypaul.com/276255/smart-13-year-old-boy-comes-...

I met this scientist years

I met this scientist years ago and she was working for SRI. We were chatting and it turns out that she rode her bike to work and was very ecologically minded individual. I asked her what was she doing at SRI and she told me she was "working on part of the Antrax project - but only on the development part not on the weapon grade part". I am sure these people believe themselves to be better than the masses.

I feel the same way

Sometimes people are so smart, their stupid.

this

Is what I meant to say.

Senator Peter Schiff 2016

The science game is chasing the funding

Like a friend once said to me, "They know what side their bread is buttered on" Government research grants are the holly grail of the science community, and we all know that, "He who pays the pipper calls the tune"

Why oh why have my little sheep gone? Why oh why have they gone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgYglW9fU_M 14 minute interview. How & why our United states Educational system is controlled by private grant money.

Minute ~ Description
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Opening ~ Guess who the man delivering the introduction.
1:30 "We will never see sound money in the United States again. Since World War I, we have been responsible for what they call institutionalizing conflicting interests (controlled opposition).

2:30 "Casino Capitalism"

5:00 Gaithers. About educational foundations. We operate under directives. This directives emanate from the White House.
6:00 Is there any means more effective... than war? ...
We must control the Sate Department.

Published on Oct 17, 2012
The Hidden Agenda for World Government as explained by Norman Dodd who was a Congressional investigator of tax-exempt foundations. "We will NEVER see sound banking again." The institutionalizing of conflicting interests, i.e. "Controlled Opposition" as a general modus operandi (operating procedures), of corporate-controlled government organizations. Non-profit organizations who participated in "un-American" activities which were any actions taken to affect changes in the country that were not in compliance with the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Also, that large endowed foundations through their trustees were actively involved in the control over the content of American education as a means of diminishing people's ability to think critically and thus to control and manipulate people more easily. "There is no more effective means than war to alter the life of an antire people. So how do we involve the United States in a war? We must control the State Department. We must take over and control the diplomatic machinery of this country (i.e. The Council on Foreign Relations)." -- Carnegie Foundation documented records, 1908. World War I was the result. After the war in 1914 the Carnegie Foundation then asked, "How do we prevent a reversion or reversal of life to how people were before the war? We must control education in the United States and specifically the teaching of American history." The Rockefeller Foundation was enrolled to handle this educational challenge "domestically" in the United States and the Carnegie Endowment handled it internationally. The Guggenheim Foundation was tasked with insuring that doctoral candidates adhered to the specific curriculum of, "The American Historical Association" along the lines of the Prussian Ph.D. Educational System, whose purpose was summarized in a seven-volume book series as, "The future of this country belongs to collectivism administered with characteristic American effeciency." Andrew Carnegie himself publically declared his steadfast interest was to counteract the departure of the colonies from Great Britain and was dedicated to putting the pieces back together again along with the various tax-exempt foundations' allegience to un-American (i.e. Communistic/Collectivist) concepts.

30-minute extended version of this video:
* http://telly.com/HL4P4

Full Transcript:
* http://www.realityzone.com/hiddenagen...

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I completely agree

I am a big fan of Charlotte Iserbyt. No disagreement there. But, the OP was making the claim that scientists are fully aware of the taking over of the education system and are actively part of it (in context). It is the frog in warm water scenario.

I doubt that Neil Degrass Tyson studied astrophysics to consciously dumb down America - probably quite the opposite. He may be misguided in terms of funding, but he is also a brilliant scientist, and has a great persona in terms of explaining things. It is like blaming your local bank teller, or even manager, for the FED destroying the dollar. They probably have no clue.

I feel we need to be careful who we blame for things. If you carry the OP to it's extent, every soldier and marine should be executed for war crimes, every bank teller thrown in jail, everyone who works for the FDA should be arrested for being a foreign agent to carry out Agenda 21. It is OUR job to educate and spread the freedom message - no one else is going to.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I thank you. And I agree with you.

Seldom do I acknowledge complete agreement. It is too difficult to defend.

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While I agree with you that

While I agree with you that it is our job to educate; I also question why, if these people cared so much about knowing anything, then why had they never saught out the truth of their own careers?

The education/indoctrination given to our modern scientists is no more accurate than Keynsean economics is accurate; they are both usefull to a point and if done correctly -by the book- then there will neve be any discontinuity between the books and reality. However, even if they(the Scientists) never reach discontinuity between the texts and reality, why would they not seek out the historical thoughts which lead to the theories? Why have they nearly abandoned the absolute search for truth? They only search for what they can get funding for, and they do little research on their own outside of such areas, for it could be detrimental to the future of their careers; therefore they care more about their careers then they do about the truth. Could you imagine if Galileo or Copernicous or Newton were like that; boy we would still be, possibly, in the stone age.

Apples to oranges fallacy

There is a gigantic difference between economic theory and science. In truth, it is not even in the same realm. Comparing Keynsian texts and education with scientific discoveries and journals is the same as comparing a baseball to a lizard and claiming they are the same.

I'm not argueing that our high school text books aren't simplified. I'm not argueing about out education system - students are not taught to think or solve problems. But, that is not the same compared to the work of astrophysicists or NASA scientists. It is a completely different question.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Heavens no. You are reading your chronograph backwards.

First things first.

  • Stone Age 5,000 BC Irish elk roam the countryside around Monasterevan.
  • Bronze Age 2,000 BC Bronze reaches Ireland.
  • Iron Age 600 BC Iron reaches Ireland.

If you wish to get philosophical about Ages of Man:

  • Old Stone Age
  • Middle Stone Age
  • New Stone Age
  • Early Bronze Age
  • Middle Bronze Age
  • Late Bronze Age
  • Iron Age
  • Christian Era
  • Late Iron Age (Early Christian Ireland)
  • Early Medieval Monasterevan
  • Medieval Monasterevan
  • Renaissance Monasterevan
  • Georgian Monasterevan
  • Victorian Monasterevan
  • Modern Monasterevin

If you wish to take things literally, in my day there was but one age of man. His own.... Mine? Mine you ask?

  • Paper (elementally carbon) Mark Twain introduces jumping frogs.

Now one might some how figuratively reduce literal things to electrons (no protons nor neutrons). Now-a-days machines arrange literal & figurative work into a series of electrons. Ain't an expert. Engineers have told me it is so.

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Mark Twain's short story: "Party Cries" In IrelandOne of Belfast's local jokes was very good. It referred to the uniform and inevitable fine of forty shillings and costs for uttering a party cry--and it is no economical fine for a poor man, either, by the way. They say that a policeman found a drunken man lying on the ground, up a dark alley, entertaining himself with shouting, "To hell with!" "To hell with!" The officer smelt a fine--informers get half.

Officer: "What's that you say?"

Poor Irishman: "To hell with!"

Officer: "To hell with who? To hell with what?"

Poor Irishman: "Ah, bedad, ye can finish it yourself -- it's too expansive for me!"

I think the seditious disposition, restrained by the economical instinct, is finely put in that.

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I do believe you understood

I do believe you understood the meaning of my comment; being that, had scientists in the past not challanged scientific orthodoxy then we would be in far worse shape technologiaclly then we are today. However, Scientists haven't really challanged general othodoxy for quite some time; probably because those who do get forgotten due to the creation of government-like groups which hold decisive power over what is and what is not classified as science. These groups have control over science, just like government has control of the general truths to be spread to the masses.

Your points are quite clear. Well made.

I took poetic liberty on tangents. An amusement ride through history.

Sorry I butted in, goat like. Some advise me, "It is too late for good manners." Others caution, "It is never too early for good manners. By & by, I am, 'hard of understanding.'

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By all means!

An astrophysicist should make sure they donate their brains and kill themselves early in their 20's before they can make money off their evil spellcasting stuff called 'science'.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Why Doesn't the Scientific Community Demand the End to War?

The PBS NOVA specials are very interesting as to the understanding of space-time theory and the quest for more knowledge about the universe. But what bugs me is these astronomers, astrophysicists and mathematicians never speak out about ending the unnecessary military campaigns and occupations carried out by the U.S. government.

If scientists want more funding for research, they better speak out against the expenditures of the neocons and their murderous wars. Otherwise they won't get any support from me.

Right on!

And why aren't chicken farmers speaking out against the black prisons in foreign lands?!!

And...why haven't hair salon owners protested in mass to stop the mercury in the innoculations in China?!

And while we are condemning people, when will the Muppet Show address the Federal Reserve System?!!

Have I made my point?

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Is your point a technocracy?

That all issues should be left to the "experts" of said issues? That serfs should know their place and keep their opinions quiet?

Umm.....No

Reading comprehension is a great thing, you should give it a try - along with the ability to understand satire.

I was merely pointing out the absurdity of demanding that astrophysicists alter or speak to foreign policy.

And, even though you strayed completely off subject - Yes, I will take Neil Degrass Tyson's opinion on dark matter and ribbon theory over yours, unless you study cosmic physics.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Who is Neil Degrass Tyson?

Is he some kind of positivist? If so, lame so.

I don't remember mentioning anything about dark matter or ribbon theory. I like to pretend that Nassim Haramein is onto something. Or maybe the people at thunderbolts.info.

Setting aside your attempt at satire, you were indeed implying that people who understand, say, physics should not chime in on other subjects, that they should leave such discussions to the so-called experts (i.e. to the technocratic bureaucracy).

Is that what you were doing? If so, lame so, because what seems to be absurd about your post is the apparent advocacy of technocracy.

A couple things. When all of

A couple things. When all of the economists in Colleges and Universities are educated in Keynsean Economics does any of them even really know about Austrian Economics or even Chicago School of Economics? Highly unlikely. My point being is that these scientist only know what they were taught in Universities and Colleges. They couldn't possibly comprehend anything other than what they were taught, so then you aren't really trusting the scientists per se, you are trusting the textbook manufactures which happen to be ownd by the same companies which own 97+% of all other media sources including the MSM; I suppose you may also watch CNN, MSNBC, or FOX for accurate information.

Also, I don't think the science is called cosmic physics; I believe you are either talking about Cosmology, Astrophysics, or Celestial Mechanics: I've never heard of it called cosmic physics before. Ribbon Theory is from Mathematics dealing with knots and DNA strands.

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I'm sick of talk radio.

I'm sick of the lame street media.

Depending on the channel, its ALL pointing fingers and blaming the "other side of the aisle" in a scripted, divide and conquer mentality. I get tired of listening and looking for someone with an "answer" and just switch them ALL off!

I realize the answer is me.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Notice who the big sponsor donors are at the end of PBS programs

The richest of the rich power elites.

Carnegie-Mellon Foundation
Carnegie Corporation of New York
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
William and Flora Hewlett Foundation
Dale and Lucile Packard Foundation
National Science Foundation
Rockefeller Foundation
Alfred P. Sloan Foundation

Many more I can't think of at the moment, but if you see someone's name before a foundation, they are filthy rich and go along with NWO views, Agenda 21, everything else Liberty minded people are against.

Monsanto

Monsanto

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

All those Foundations operate under directives, the White House

Why oh why have my little sheep gone? Why oh why have they gone?
Submitted by Mark Twain on Fri, 03/01/2013 - 19:04.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgYglW9fU_M 14 minute interview.
How & why our United states Educational system is controlled by private grant money.

"TWe [the educational endowment foundations] each operate under directicve from the White House." - Gaithers, Ford Foundation, as recalled by Norman Dodd. At that time, Norman Dodd was a young recruit to a Morgan banking house.

Been that way since the War.... The War.... You call it what you want. The Great War (WW I).

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add...

...one of the Koch brothers (or both).

By me, no economy should create long distance philanthropists. Value comes only from real work so if a business is doing very well this should first benefit the workers and the environs. And here, since about mid 1950s people who work are treated worse and worse every year - so some bunch of jerks can later do "good" in Africa and get some points in their chosen heavens.

Hypocrites.

Ron Paul ... forever.