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Open letter to online libertarians

Hello again Paulites it's me again

Time for you to give my thoughts record downvotes yet again...

Or, you know, you could try to engage with the material rather than dismiss it out of hand. I used to be in something like the same sort of mindset as you guys, yet I evolved my thinking. No reason in the world you can't do the same.

http://consentient.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/open-letter-to-o...

http://consentient.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/open-letter-to-o...

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I actually upvoted.

By and large I happen to agree with you. Whenever I try to open a discussion about the meaning of words and how the PTB use those meanings in order to enslave us... you get the typical "that's just semantics" objection...

IT'S NOT SEMANTICS - > It's your unknowing consent to things you have no idea are going on behind the scenes!!!

If you're in this movement concerned about making friends and being popular then the truth is incompatible with your objectives.

I read both your articles and

I read both your articles and all they both were is you bitching about no one paying any attention to you and everyone but you being wrong, you didn't even present your supposed wonderful ideas...Sigh! How many fucking paragraphs do you think you need to bitch about everyone blowing you off... Geeze!

Count me among them now! You will be hard pressed to get me to read anything more from you after wasting my fucking time reading your childish rants...

I was annoyed with the first article but thought well he must present his ideas in the second one.. Nope more whining...Sigh!

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It sounds like...

a monologue for an awful super villain.

The kind where nobody cares what he's up to.

Dr. Vague-Rant!

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I don't know why you can't

I don't know why you can't see the ideas presented in Part Two. They are clearly stated, and linked to other pages that expand on the bullet points.

Yours is exactly the kind of emotionalist reaction I have come to expect.

That you see this kind of confrontation only as me 'bitching for attention' says far more about you than it does me, I'm afraid.

I KNOW I'm not doing this for attention, so no amount of people like you - that just aren't getting it - will make any difference.

Emotional??? LOL! you are in

Emotional??? LOL! you are in denial... Yeah the guy who spent two pages bitching about how he is ignored tries to tell me I am being emotional ROTFLMAO! There is a reason you are being ignored get a cucking flue genius!

I followed some of your links and even looked at your bullet points and nothing just some fancy titles to your so called concepts but no explanations as to what they mean and how they work. Sorry I am not into reading 50 pages of you bitching and fancy titles of your supposed concepts before you even begin to get to the point if their actually is one.

I don't need to drink a whole bottle of wine before I know if it taste good or not. A few swigs will suffice to tell me if I want to continue drinking. I can tell right now you need to find something else to do this is not your forte!

You remind me of those people who go on the TV singing contests and are so bad it is laughable but they actually think they are good and have no clue how terrible they really are and then it just becomes sad at how perplexed they are that no one likes them as they get angry and stomp off vowing to make it big... They and you are legends in your own minds... ;)

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Get Prepared!

You're lying that there are

You're lying that there are not ideas that are quickly accessible on my website.

Whether or not you have the capacity to understand them, is another matter.

Sorry, but I am not able to help you with that part.

You have to understand that

You have to understand that any large online forum like this is a honeypot attracting the most zealous trolls on the internet. They like to be a part of a virtual elitist club on the forum to feel accepted. They want attention, so it becomes a contest of who can come up with the most sensationalistic or boldest statements. And of course, at 21 years old they know everything.

And what we have now is what happens when moderators choose to allow them free reign.

So point being, this site does not represent libertarians as far as I'm concerned. Libertarianism just happens to be the only thing gaining momentum that challenges the system, so they flock to it. So I think you're wasting your time if you're trying to convince these type of people to think rationally.

1. Yes I am zealous. You talk

1. Yes I am zealous. You talk about that quality as though it were inherently negative. You want to be left alone in your comfort zone of online libertarianism, which is going nowhere. I'm not going to stop confronting people just because my presence makes them feel awkward. I am not a troll, I am exercising free speech. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.

which brings me onto

2. Moderators allowing people reign? Do you really believe in censorship and the closing of ideas out of the debate? If you do so, you make a rod for your own back that could be used by shitheads like Obama to declare (as already have in some areas) Ron Paul libertarians to be enemies of the state. The next step from there is reeducation camps. It's not a slippery slope, it's a death slide.

3. I want attention, but not for it's own sake. I want to grow a real, coherent and consistent social movement to advance the cause of freedom. What's so bad about that?

4. I am not 21 years old, I am in my 30s. But if I was 21, does that mean to say that I would be wrong. This logical fallacy is called the argument from authority. It is the very thing you should be opposed to, if you truly believe in freedom and autonomy.

5. Your last argument, about it being a waste of time, may well prove to be correct. I'm still not certain myself, and until I am, I am exercising free speech in order to confront a group of people I think are grossly mistaken, OK?

You know...

There is a way to educate people about Anarcho-capitalism without looking like a narcissistic ass.

There are hundred of AnCaps on this site and we are quite successful in educating, because our delivery isn't this poor.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

1. I am not an

1. I am not an anarcho-capitalist, so do not wish to educate anyone about that.

2. Believe me, I tried the softly-softly approach for a long time. People ignore it for the most part, and it's dishonest. I'm telling people what the stakes are, and that freaks them out a bit, but I couldn't look myself in the eye in the mirror if I wasn't honest. I believe in direct and honest communication, and in this context, it calls for a confrontation.

So I appreciate that the delivery isn't as slick as some people would want, but they are gonna have to leave their comfort zone at some point. Why not do it at a time of their own choosing?

1. "Well there's yer problem!"

1. "Well there's yer problem!" and if you are not an AnCap/Voluntaryist, then what are you?

2. It's not hard questions that are the problem, it's your self worshiping tone, no one wants to listen to someone who sounds like they are infatuated with themselves.

You lose your reader's before they even get to the substance of your post, because you sound like the love child of narcissism and irrelevance.

Example: why would I read that?
Submitted by freethink2012 on Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:35. Permalink

I clicked the link only to be told how disappointed you are in me. you then go on about how great you are at which point i closed the browser tab.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

1. If you read what I write,

1. If you read what I write, it's perfectly clear what my beliefs are. I'm sorry that you seem so preoccupied for finding little labels to give people, and that you can't find a box to put me in. Doesn't it make a bit more sense to focus on ideas, to separate the ideas from the idealist?

2. I am well aware that there are a large number of people not able to understand my message. But I'm not going to dilute or distort it to suit them. There are a small number of people that get what I am saying and what I am trying to do by saying it on this forum. This, like all my writings, is here for their benefit, not for those people that can't make any effort of their own to understand other people's ideas.

Clue: I say outright what my ideas are and why I'm sharing them. If you start there, you might 'get it'.

1. So, you are to good for "labels"?

1. So, you are to good for "labels"? Words have definitions, you know. What you believe can't be defined? No one is trying to put you in a box, I am asking you what you like to refer to yourself as.

2. No you miss the point completely, no one is misunderstanding your message, they aren't even reading your message, because you are an atrocious writer and drive them away before they even get to your message.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

1. Why would I need to refer

1. Why would I need to refer to myself 'as' something else. That approach is typical of the essentialist trends I am trying to undo.

I tell you my ideas on social relations. You hear them and either agree or disagree, and give me a critique. Why do I need to have a name for something? Even if I DID have a name, it would be a new one, since I have taken elements from different 'named' philosophies, and made my own.

2. Just because it is your opinion that I 'am' an atrocious writer, doesn't mean to say that it is true. Do you know this?

I cannot be held responsible for other people not heeding a message. I'm putting my message out there, and if others ignore it, it is their problem.

Bottom line is that most people can't handle any criticism of their selves at all.

It's not a criticism to say that I'm driving some people away. I know that, but I don't really know what I can do to tell the truth and not offend anyone, when the truth is critical of them. I'm not going to sugar coat the message or suck up to people in an attempt to gain their favour. I'm telling it like it is, and if they can't handle it, it is THEIR problem.

1. Imagine me rolling my eyes...

1. Imagine me rolling my eyes, since I can't do that in text format.

2. It's pretty apparent that people here aren't receiving your writing style very well, and are driven away before finishing your article. If you bother to read the comments you will notice that nobody is rejecting any ideas, they are all complaining about your self absorbed delivery.

You can either take their feedback into account and make adjustments, or you can continue to drive away your audience.

I gave you my .02 cents, you can listen to it or ignore it.

Either way, it's not my problem.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

why would I read that?

I clicked the link only to be told how disappointed you are in me. you then go on about how great you are at which point i closed the browser tab.

It's not about how great I

It's not about how great I am. It's about how most libertarians are mired in error.

Why would you read it? So that you can find your way out of the swamp, of course.

Morpheus wouldn't have gotten very far with most of you. Your default position seems to be "I am firm in my beliefs, this man who is taking the rare step of directly confronting me is telling me I am wrong. Fuck him, I'm taking the blue pill."

Why should we engage in the material when it's

the same shit attack that we've seen 100's of times before.. all based on one persons opinion. A hypocritical opinion at that. :)

What I think is, someone is looking for a fight after watching Becky's rant, per Ralph's guess below.

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You see, rather than just,

You see, rather than just, you know, SAYING that stuff, you could venture an attempt to tell me WHY you think what I've said is wrong, and why it's hypocritical.

Btw, there is no way you have seen a message like mine before. I wish it wasn't so, but unfortunately no one has so far publically advocating my particular brand of philosophy. I'd know if they had because I would be working with them.

Also, I have no idea who Becky is, or why she ranted at Ralph, but you should really stop making such huge assumptions. They will be your downfall.

Is this from Glenn Beck?

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No I am not Glenn Beck. The

No I am not Glenn Beck. The day Glenn Beck comes out with stuff as radical as this, you know that voluntaryism has won in America.