Having an online discussion with a progressive- could use your ideas re: social contract, health careSubmitted by ConstitutionHugger on Sat, 03/02/2013 - 19:48
I've been having an online discussion with a progressive who is aware of the Fed and banker fraud, but loves big government. I'm going to think about my response to his last message after my kids have gone to bed. I thought it would be helpful to hear from some of the brilliant minds here on the DP. He seems to have settled down about roads and bridges and now he's on to healthcare (he's an American living in Ireland). Here's what he said:
"Susan, that was pretty good stuff. I know that libertarians like to think of taxes as 'theft', but that's not true. It's part of the social contract that we have with each other, by living in America whereby there are certain things that are taken care of for us, with the use of our money. I would expect you to say something along the lines of: "I didn't sign that contract!", which is true, but your representatives in government (all levels) did. And, as I mentioned in one of these number of posts on Monica's wall ;-) there is a reason we moved away for anarchy and into a society based upon a social contract. It may not be the best for everyone, but it does its best for the most. No one likes paying taxes - I now pay.... about 40% (and that's a REAL 40%) on income, I pay one of the higher VATs in Europe (23%) on everything I buy, I AUTOMATICALLY pay 52% on stock (I work for Amazon, so I get some stock as part of my pay package, and they sell more than half of it as soon as I vest it). Does it piss me off - of course it does. Mostly because while Ireland has such high taxes, it doesn't have the highest services in Europe - and most of this money is going to pay off the fucking banks. I always say that it's funny - in the US I'm some Leftist Pinko Communist, but in Ireland I feel like Ron Paul. If they gave better services I wouldn't mind nearly as much. But even as it is, there is universal healthcare, free schooling of a high level (including college), and other benefits I can't think of at the moment. I don't mind the free market - I think it's a great thing. BUT, I don't think it will provide the services that the people need. Business is about making money - that is ALL it's about (and I agree with that idea). Business is NOT for altruistically helping the populace.
I also have a relative here who is having serious health problems. In the US he would be bankrupt, or more likely dead by now because he couldn't afford the care. That's the reality of the free market. I actually think that the healthcare exchanges are a great idea. I think it would be great for the government to have a plan and compete with the insurance providers."