The pivotal point in the upward curve from bondage to liberty is spiritual faith

You will understand my point of view. I've said it many times, I will say it again. I believe in a Creator but corporate church bullshit "Christianity", as most understand it, is meant for one thing. And that is to sucker you out of as much FIAT currency as possible.

EVERYBODY in history claims to have the real messiah. It is profitable, don't you get it?

So Willl, I am sorry, you are not free yet.

"...the rest love not freedom, but license, which never hath more scope than under tyrants."
John Milton

The downward spiral of liberty however is religeous oppression (state or divine). Religeous zeal is used to create empires, but destroys them in the end. Because religeous zeal, in times of revolution and war is what motivates mindless serfs to go run at machine gun nests. In times of peace, its what motivates them to vote away the rights of the minority in order to bring about their theocractic utopia. Or as sane people might call it, tyrannical dark age.

Id suggest the pivitol moment is when you decide to not make another stupid post giving your make-believe spagetti monster credit for liberty. Instead, do something more constructive with your time such as becoming a PCO, taking over your local party, or throwing out the collectivist religeous right who are sodomizing our civil liberties with their bullshit mystisism, fake morals and holy wars.

Do we really need another religeous argument where a christian comes on and starts talking about how liberty can't exist without his cosmic monarchy? You're not making converts here, I promise you. Coersion, submission to authority, and the tendancy to believe in ridiculous and impossible things are not very condusive traits toward human freedom.

Yet ANOTHER divide and conquer post! I am SICK of all the religious crap, the abortion crap and the gay crap! None of us are going to be allowed to be ABLE to argue about this stuff if the banksters and elite keep getting their way. What happened to worrying about IMPORTANT things like FREEDOM? The topics I mentioned above are and have always been the tools to keep people divided and diverted from REAL issues. Does anyone care that the UN just passed an arms treaty? Does anyone care that they are trying to get a bill passed that will require everyone that owns a gun to have freaking liability insurance? How do you suppose THAT will work against us? Stop with the religious bickering and pay attention to the world out there! GEEZ

... it's more logical to worship the sun and the planets.

Jesus isn't around, at least apparently... and the world still goes on..

However, should the sun, moon, jupiter, saturn, venus, mars, mercury, uranus, neptune and pluto go missing, even for a while. We would feel the consequences here on earth. Can you argue that?

If only religious people were more curious about their religion.

Can you imagine that?

The christians would have to admit, historical records and logic dedicate, xmas and easter are sun worship holidays.

The muslims and the jews would point to their black cubes (kabbeh and tefillin, respectively) and call it, the ancient symbol of Saturn. It would so daring for them to admit that at one time, they worshipped god in a female form.

LOL!

Any religious type that isn't into the planets/astrology/astronomy has missed the obvious lesson in ALL RELIGIOUS LITERATURE.... The GODS ARE THE PLANETS!

Mark 4:3-9.

I don't think it's an extremely good use of time to make pusher posts like this. Or calling for argument. I thought we'd know better by now. Maybe I'm naive again.

Or else, this little game can be endless, can't it?

http://www.dailypaul.com/248469/shout-out-to-ron-paul-atheists

It's getting old. I'd suggest Christians to let atheists convert themselves if and when they so wish, or never, and I'd suggest atheists to refocus on fighting the real roots of Evil, plunder, and crimes today, coincidentally not exactly found in the motive of the peaceful, faithful, and righteous believer. As they're rather those who consider themselves Supermen not needing any God(s) but all the piles, mounts of laws, regulations, programs, and bureaux they can devise while the tax payer sustains them. That makes at least for two godless camps, of good vs. bad atheists, I suppose - thus, our good atheists could hopefully help us fight their bad, statist cousins.

All of us who understand liberty might save a significant amount of energy once added up. I'm afraid we gonna need it badly for what's coming to us.

" Just sayin' " and

Peace.

....we aren't wanted in this movement. Lets forget all we know about liberty and start our own communist colony on the moon.

"In response to the recent spate of anti-Christian, anti-faith and anti-semitic posts on this site"

Some of you people run around here proselytizing incessantly but then get pissed when non-religious or Atheists retort. Either deal with us and have a grown up debate or shut up about your religious dogma. Again with this post you're saying that I can't acheive liberty without spiritual faith? What kind of shit is that? You're the one whose mind is shackled, I however am a free thinker and am not and should never be ashamed to admit that no matter how hard you people try to silence me and others like myself.

Oh, so this isn't a thread about Taoists, Buddhists, Muslims or Hindus? Really? What about their faith? Gee, I guess they're all wrong and Christians are all right... right?

Give it a rest. If you're looking for affirmation of your beliefs or if you want to convert the hostiles, look elsewhere. Seriously.