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The pivotal point in the upward curve from bondage to liberty is spiritual faith

In response to the recent spate of anti-Christian, anti-faith and anti-semitic posts on this site:

"The world's great civilizations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back again into bondage." - Alexander Fraser Tytler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks7CU9lKej8&list=PL1C889ED74C...

Liberty is based on faith in God. Without faith, there will be no lasting Liberty.




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Celebration and joy are so important!!! The gift of the sun and the beauty of morning are among the greatest to behold. I always loved this song which captures the same feeling by Cat Stevens, who is truly a gentle man and lover of beauty:

Bump for Victory!

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Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

You Really Should Watch

Ring of Power. ALL OF IT.

skippy

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Einstein: had more to say about one not so "frail"....

Whose 'frailty' was physical, and that temporarily, but whose Spirit overpowered death:

Einstein, when asked about a clipping from a magazine article reporting his comments on Christianity as taken down by Viereck, Einstein carefully read the clipping and replied,

"That is what I believe."

* As a child, I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.

* Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrase-mongers, however artful.

* No man can dispose of Christianity with a bon mot.

* No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.

[SOURCE:Albert Einstein: "What Life Means to Einstein: An Interview by George Sylvester Viereck" The Saturday Evening Post (26 October 1929); P-17 - As written in "A Life" by Denis Brian, (1996)].

MOSES & JESUS: *But let us not forget that human knowledge and skills alone cannot lead humanity to a happy and dignified life. Humanity has every reason to place the proclaimers of high moral standards and values above the discoverers of objective truth. What humanity owes to personalities like Moses, and Jesus ranks for me higher than all the achievements of the enquiring and constructive mind.

What these blessed men have given us we must guard and try to keep alive with all our strength if humanity is not to lose its dignity, the security of its existence, and its joy in living. [SOURCE: Written statement (September 1937) as quoted in Albert Einstein, The Human Side: New Glimpses From His Archives (1981) edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman ISBN 0691023689].

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Nonsense.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Truth = liberty according to Christ.
Faith = pretending your beliefs are of greater value than facts according to Christianity.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Listen to the video from 8:00 to 8:15.

You will understand my point of view. I've said it many times, I will say it again. I believe in a Creator but corporate church bullshit "Christianity", as most understand it, is meant for one thing. And that is to sucker you out of as much FIAT currency as possible.

EVERYBODY in history claims to have the real messiah. It is profitable, don't you get it?

So Willl, I am sorry, you are not free yet.

You are arguing with yourself.

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except where you tried to define my freedom, which is not up to you, but God. I also dislike 'corporate' Christianity, and have never said anything different. What I'm talking about is personal Faith in God Almighty, through Jesus Christ. The only authority on Him being the revealed word of God, the Bible.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

"None love freedom but good men..."

"...the rest love not freedom, but license, which never hath more scope than under tyrants."
John Milton

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

thanks for the Milton.

thanks for the Milton. thanks a lot. i wish i could hear more Milton throughout my daily life.

it was said that all the yeomanry and other english people, in a certain time period, all had a copy of Milton on the mantel

lawrence

ugh

The downward spiral of liberty however is religeous oppression (state or divine). Religeous zeal is used to create empires, but destroys them in the end. Because religeous zeal, in times of revolution and war is what motivates mindless serfs to go run at machine gun nests. In times of peace, its what motivates them to vote away the rights of the minority in order to bring about their theocractic utopia. Or as sane people might call it, tyrannical dark age.

Id suggest the pivitol moment is when you decide to not make another stupid post giving your make-believe spagetti monster credit for liberty. Instead, do something more constructive with your time such as becoming a PCO, taking over your local party, or throwing out the collectivist religeous right who are sodomizing our civil liberties with their bullshit mystisism, fake morals and holy wars.

Do we really need another religeous argument where a christian comes on and starts talking about how liberty can't exist without his cosmic monarchy? You're not making converts here, I promise you. Coersion, submission to authority, and the tendancy to believe in ridiculous and impossible things are not very condusive traits toward human freedom.

Wow,

I honestly feel for you because I genuinely believe you are misguided. Everything you say in your first paragraph is being perpetrated by ANTI-Christian, world-centred, socialist powers. Like the UN. Do you not see that the opposite of Christianity is socialism? Look into the UN, it could not be more anti-Christian. And that is because Christ's kingdom is against such world-empires - empires of man. Yes, tyrannies. In Christ each man is sovereign and must be because he is created by God alone, and owes allegiance only to Him, not ever to any earthly power or king.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Just Great

Yet ANOTHER divide and conquer post! I am SICK of all the religious crap, the abortion crap and the gay crap! None of us are going to be allowed to be ABLE to argue about this stuff if the banksters and elite keep getting their way. What happened to worrying about IMPORTANT things like FREEDOM? The topics I mentioned above are and have always been the tools to keep people divided and diverted from REAL issues. Does anyone care that the UN just passed an arms treaty? Does anyone care that they are trying to get a bill passed that will require everyone that owns a gun to have freaking liability insurance? How do you suppose THAT will work against us? Stop with the religious bickering and pay attention to the world out there! GEEZ

skippy

If you look at the argument I'm making

The point is that the best way to succeed in guaranteeing liberty, in fact the only way it
ever has been, is with the help of Almighty God. That is the issue that is behind all those issues you mentioned. If you look at those who are taking away Liberty, you will find Satanism behind them. Conversely, OUR strength, is in Christ.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

If you are going to worship anything...

... it's more logical to worship the sun and the planets.

Jesus isn't around, at least apparently... and the world still goes on..

However, should the sun, moon, jupiter, saturn, venus, mars, mercury, uranus, neptune and pluto go missing, even for a while. We would feel the consequences here on earth. Can you argue that?

If only religious people were more curious about their religion.

Can you imagine that?

The christians would have to admit, historical records and logic dedicate, xmas and easter are sun worship holidays.

The muslims and the jews would point to their black cubes (kabbeh and tefillin, respectively) and call it, the ancient symbol of Saturn. It would so daring for them to admit that at one time, they worshipped god in a female form.

LOL!

Any religious type that isn't into the planets/astrology/astronomy has missed the obvious lesson in ALL RELIGIOUS LITERATURE.... The GODS ARE THE PLANETS!

Go truth!

Be warned, they might crucify you in the "liberty" movement for saying so!!

Rubbish

Rubbish

"The christians would have to admit, historical records and logic dedicate, xmas and easter are sun worship holidays".

Christianity is very accurate in terms of historical events and Christians were martyred for 300 years before it was adopted as the 'official' religion of the Roman empire. Christmas and Easter (which actually Paska) were deliberately placed on pagan holidays. Not the other why around

"The GODS ARE THE PLANETS!"

Sounds like you're preaching Theosophy. The ideology behind the Lucifer Publishing company & the UN. Jewish garbage

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

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I will say this in response

Why would you default to grouping individuals together as "Christians". While I admit we have a common core belief (like RP folks believe in Liberty), we differ as individuals. Spiritual beliefs are personal, and most people develop our own belief systems independently (some just believe what they are told - and easily accept it.)

I readily admit to your point about xmas and easter being of Pagan origin, as are many other "traditional" beliefs such as Sunday worship (which was admittedly changed from the Biblical Sabbath by the Roman Catholic church.) The light of truth is personal and individual, so please don't group us together in order to make it easier to make your points. Thanks.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

Rubbish back at you.

"Christianity is very accurate in terms of historical events".

Really? How is that? Got a historical book to back up your "historical events"?

Yes

Diodorus Siculus
Titus Livius Patavinus
Strabo
Herodotus
Josephus

knock yourself out.

http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index.html
http://christogenea.org/Genesis10
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Egyptian-Civilization-Sumerian-Origi...

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

I guess I am a poly-theist - i recognize many many gods

you must be one of those uncurious religious types. Christianity is thousand and thousands of years old >>>>> IT PREDATES THE YEAR ZERO SET BY THE ROMANS!!!

Brahma - anagram of Abraham
Hari Kishna - drop the H and you get Arian Kristians
Kali - drop the K and you get Ali, god of the Muslims.

Notice how HARI... has the same root as the word HARE - rabbits at easter, just like the ancient Tutons who worshipped a HARE at Oester in the springtime ----- LOL!

Hosanna - Christian chants said three times, means 'God help Us'.
Hasanna - Jewish chant said three times, means 'God help us'.
Hossani - Muslim chant said three times, means 'God help us'.

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Like one of the posts said below.... Religious types (mostly from the Abrahamic religions), are but only ONE GOD away from an atheist.

When you deny any other god but your own god... THEN YOU ARE ONLY ONE GOD AWAY FROM BEING AN ATHEIST.

Pagan? ... check out the origin of the word. It was used in the context of country folks who did not want to accept a centralized religious organization based in Rome with only one god.

If you REALLY are curious about the faith you practice...check out Santos Bonacci, Bill Donahue, Joseph Farrell.... they will blow your mind.

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Oh yah, Lucifer - ancient name for the planet Venus.

Satanism - the other Abrahamic religion.

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In the springtime, the Persians celebrate the ascesion of the moon in the sky... closer to the sun.. The reunion of mother and child. Persephone, the moon goddess reappears in the spring and unites with her mother Lady Sun. TWO MAJOR SYMBOLS OF THIS TIME OF YEAR? GUESS... take a wild goddamn guess. Fish and colored eggs.

Get real... get interested in the history of religions... it's mind blowing... it really is.

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It's true that all those polytheistic belief systems are...

thousands and thousands of years old. But they are not Christianity, they are its direct opposite.

"Religious types (mostly from the Abrahamic religions), are but only ONE GOD away from an atheist."

Exactly so. What is your point?

Now do you deny that your belief system is identical to that of the UN's one-world-religion belief system?

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

She can smoke you in any debate.

At least from what I can see so far.

Yet she can't answer my question.

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Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

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Mark 4:3-9.

Mark 4:3-9.

I don't think it's an extremely good use of time to make pusher posts like this. Or calling for argument. I thought we'd know better by now. Maybe I'm naive again.

Or else, this little game can be endless, can't it?

http://www.dailypaul.com/248469/shout-out-to-ron-paul-atheists

It's getting old. I'd suggest Christians to let atheists convert themselves if and when they so wish, or never, and I'd suggest atheists to refocus on fighting the real roots of Evil, plunder, and crimes today, coincidentally not exactly found in the motive of the peaceful, faithful, and righteous believer. As they're rather those who consider themselves Supermen not needing any God(s) but all the piles, mounts of laws, regulations, programs, and bureaux they can devise while the tax payer sustains them. That makes at least for two godless camps, of good vs. bad atheists, I suppose - thus, our good atheists could hopefully help us fight their bad, statist cousins.

All of us who understand liberty might save a significant amount of energy once added up. I'm afraid we gonna need it badly for what's coming to us.

" Just sayin' " and

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Right on.

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What would the Founders do?

Okay atheists, you heard it...

....we aren't wanted in this movement. Lets forget all we know about liberty and start our own communist colony on the moon.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

You're definititely WANTED

In the Liberty movement and by Jesus Christ. :)

It's all about love, bro. No pressure, no religion, no dogma, no arguing. Just love <3

" Lets forget all we know

" Lets forget all we know about liberty and start our own communist colony on the moon."

Can I hitch a ride? I'll pitch in on gas.