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Russia and China Are Funding Iran, Why?

Proliferation of defense industrial know-how and brain power from Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet republics to Iran — specifically advanced anti-ship missiles, nuclear technology and ballistic-missile designs — has been at the top of U.S. government concerns since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.

A CIA report to Congress made public in 2009 states that assistance from Chinese and Russian entities “has helped Iran move toward self-sufficiency in the production of ballistic missiles.”

The rapid advance of Iran as a regional power was entirely due to Russian and Chinese assistance. But why? Why would they assist Iran with illegal technologies and weapons?

The Washington Times article attributes it to China’s dependence on Iran’s oil, and that’s certainly a consideration. But my opinion is still that China is using Iran to hamper US efforts to stabilize Iraq and the Middle East.

China and Russia (and their comrades in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization) have been trying to push the US out of Asia, Africa, South America, and the Middle East. It is a global assault on American influence, meant to weaken both our alliances and our access to energy resources and raw materials.

The ultimate goal is to isolate the United States and reduce us to a second-class world power, leaving the world stage open for a new unipolar world led by China.

http://geoff82.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/the-china-russia-ira...

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US multinationals are...

in partnerships with China's Communist government and US/China political leaders refer to each other as partners. Why? US political and business leaders prefer China's totalitarian economic and political system and working to bring the Chinese model to America. Wall Street finances China which arms Iran which creates more business for the Globalized Military Industrial Complex. This East/West partnership allows them to divide and conquer by playing both sides of global conflicts.

Globalization and "free" trade have created partnerships designed to pick winners and losers in the global economy, and America has been picked to lose. Obama has repeatedly told college students and union members they're competing with China. Well, how can they compete with China's virtual slave labor without first becoming a slave? The Chinese model is a prototype for the new world order. For more info check out the sections "American and Chinese Communism, a Partnership" and "Closing the Loop on Terrorism" in the pdf file "Knowledge is Power":
http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1026

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Seeing that you are posting

Seeing that you are posting on this website you should know that "US efforts to stabilize Iraq and the Middle East" do not exist.

U.S. trying to stablise the Middle East? Could have fooled me?

""US efforts to stabilize Iraq and the Middle East" do not exist."

This line would be simply laughable if not for the tragedy behind what is actually taking place.

"The ultimate goal is to isolate the United States and reduce us to a second-class world power, leaving the world stage open for a new unipolar world led by China. "

This line is however truthful, but it is not China or Russia behind those outcomes, but those who wish to see the destruction of the US Constitution and The Bill of rights. So that, once and for all we "subjects" never get the idea of freedom and individual rights again, there goal is to make freedom seem dangourous and self destructive, and it has slowly been working amoungst the ignorant masses.

Those destroying and dictating world economies with the power of central banking are to blame in my opinion. They have the power, it is thier path that the world is being pushed along.

I don't blame them. I would

I don't blame them. I would too.

Supporting Iran only makes

Supporting Iran only makes sense to the Russian and Chinese governments.

Put yourself in their shoes and what would you do? Support Italy?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

You believe that

You believe that they should continue to subsidize their own encirclement? It was US policies that DROVE Russia and China back together, we won the Cold War in large part because we divided them.

World Reserve Currency

The guard may change, new people running the same show, but the power remains the same, it is falsehood, threats, and violence made legal, and it is the one monopoly power.

If it were not the one monopoly power then the former victims could compete with it, and have better instead of settling for worse.

The measure of it is money, but it is power.

If those running that monopoly get what they are planning then they get to keep their monopoly and those running the show in the past were not averse to buying World War with the money (power) they steal.

Those running the monopoly are buying World War III right now, and that is the reason for "depression", as so much economic power is now being spent on funding World War III, which has already started.

If those running the monopoly (call it New World Order or Fried Chicken it still is what it is no matter what you are told to call it) manage to survive through World War III, which may or may not be a big deal to them, one way or the other, along with every living thing on this planet at risk, if, if they survive, then they will work to keep their monopoly going, and they appear to be moving headquarters to China, assuming things go according to the obvious plan.

That means, exactly, that the Obamas, Bushes, Bernankes, and whatnot, are selling America out, raiding the corporation, and they are moving to the winning side, the side they are financing, which is China.

If those running the monopoly are then in China, running the monopoly, then Americans may, or may not, be forced to pay all the war debts. We could, conceivably, compete: by inventing, producing, and utilizing better money ourselves, in direct competition with the monopoly POWER in China, in that possible future.

We could do that now too.

That is possible.

It is possible to opt out of World War III, by ending The FED, ending The IRS, and bringing the troops home (not in body bags).

It is possible to opt out by supporting moves in each State in America from The FED, to a competitive, NON-Fraudulent, money, an honest money, such as the moves toward Gold and Silver in Utah, and some other States, and in that way the former victims are no longer agreeing to pay the National Debt borrowed from The Good Faith and Credit of the American People, and why should any one of us pay a Debt that was borrowed from us?

If someone borrows from The Good Faith and Credit of The American People, then that borrower aught to pay us back, not the other way around.

So end The FED.

So...end The IRS.

Opt out of World War III.

Let those who run The Dollar Hegemony go to China, as they see fit, and let them create a World Reserve Currency from China, if they can.

We can opt out, we can invent, produce, and maintain competitive money, and then we can once again be the force of voluntary choice that forces quality up and cost down.

It is that simple.

The monopoly power exists because it effectively crushes, or incorporates all competition into one single supply of Legal Power, and to do so it must resort to deceit, threats, and violence upon the innocent targets whose crime is to produce enough extra wealth, above consumption, to constitute something worth stealing.

The monopoly power exists, the proof is a steadily declining quality of legal money, world wide, while the cost of that money (World War) is going up rapidly. That cause and effect cannot exist if people demand, invent, produce, maintain, and supply competitive, higher quality, and lower cost, money (power) such as, again, Gold and Silver money as that which is now beginning to work in Utah, and any other form of money that is NOT fraudulent, NOT threatening, and Not funding violence upon the innocent.

Joe

Is today opposite day?

"China is using Iran to hamper US efforts to stabilize Iraq and the Middle East."

I must have missed the memo.

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China wants to poke the US in the eye

Why? Take a look at China's east coast, and what do you see?

Korea (US ally)
Japan (US ally)
Taiwan (US ally)
The Phillipines (US ally)

We've got them pretty well boxed in.

Let's take your last statment and turn it around: The ultimate goal is to isolate [China] and reduce [it] to a second-class world power, leaving the world stage open for a new unipolar world led by [the US].

That is, has been, and always will be the goal of the American empire. China and Russia will do anything they can to fight back against that.

So before you go pointing fingers, take a look at what they're responding to. The US has the biggest military budget in the world, by far.

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It's the new world order unfolding and...

US leaders are helping finance it as a means to crush representative in the U.S. This link is to a comment that takes about five minutes to read and has some c-span links about China's military buildup and its arming of Iran and North Korea.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2974976

Russia and China are leading the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) which is considered the NATO of the East. Here's a Chinese political scientist saying China and Russia will lead the NWO.

http://rt.com/news/russian-chinese-relations-expert/

For more info check out the sections "American and Chinese Communism, a Partnership" and "Closing the Loop on Terrorism" in the pdf file "Knowledge is Power". Here's the link.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1026

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Falsehood is also Power

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/0...

"Some argue that, because of slavery, America was founded on racism. This is not true. The founders understood the contradictions of slavery so the preamble of the Constitution contains the phrase “in order to form a more perfect Union”. They knew the Union would not be perfect, so they set forth aspirational principles in the founding documents that have inspired the entire world. It was those moral and ethical principles that led to the end of slavery and the rights of women and former slaves to vote as equal citizens."

That is so false, patently false, it might be funny, if it weren't so deadly, disarming, contradictory, divisive, misleading, and destructive.

The Declaration of Independence reports that it is a duty of free people to defend against criminals who take over government, in so many words, that can be quoted.

The Articles of Confederation worked, demonstrably, as a voluntary, competitive, free market, form of government, and it's imperfection, according to the criminals who stole liberty, crushed the spirit of liberty, was the inability to crush those who dare to question authority, those "founders" created The Dirty Compromise which IS The Constitution.

The Bill of Rights, returning back to some semblance of common sense, sandwiches the Despotism of The Constitution in between those Bills of those Rights and The Declaration of Independence.

1. Duty to not tolerate despots claiming to be governors = Declaration of Independence
2. Despots claiming to be governors = The Constitution
3. Those who smell a rate saying HEY LOOK those guys are despots = The Bill of Rights

Knowledge is power, so why repeat falsehoods as if it were knowledge?

Joe

So there would not have been....

slavery in America if the Articles of Confederation had been left in place? I think I detect a little anarchist resentment in your comment, not to mention a lot of falsehoods.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

In the interest of knowing better.

Please don't play games with the claims of falsehoods.

The falsehood I pointed out was not ambiguous, specious, coy, misleading, funny, unspecified, half true, anonymous, dishonest, relatively untrue, or mysterious.

The Constitution was a usurpation as pointed out by enough well established authorities on the subject to leave no room for reasonable doubt.

If you have a problem with me, separate your problem with me from the message offered, please.

As to the question asked, concerning slavery, I think you, and anyone else, caring to know better, aught to find a competitive answer here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiW_l848t8&list=PL463AA90FD0...

It is a long history lesson, of some measurable value, and the answer offered to the question offered on slavery had to do with wives of slave owners figuring out how the slave babies are made.

Furthermore, as to the often employed word games, labeling someone an "anarchist" or "terrorist", if there is any affiliation at all, between me and "anarchism" it is my definition of the word, as I understand it to mean exactly what it means, and not anything other than that, but for those wanting to know the facts, knowing better, and for those not depending upon false translations of the word, please, consider reading this:

http://praxeology.net/BT-SSA.htm

That was offered to anyone, I found it, from someone on this forum.

Here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2981026

Is the label meant to discredit or credit? Is the label meant to falsify or clarify? If the label maker means to deceive, the label maker will find a way to reach that goal.

Joe

China and Russia see Iran as an opportunity to end...

the oppression of the West. With BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa), they can trade with each other in gold, silver, platinum and oil, while using fiat currency to acquire wealth from the West using our own "Monopoly money."

How can the West be oppressing China when....

it subsidizes Communist China with a 300 Billion dollar annual trade deficit? As a result, the Communist Party of China is sitting on 3 Trillion of foreign currency while U.S. trade deficits continue to add to US debt. Don't take my word for, listen to what Pat Mulloy says. He's a member of the U.S./China Economic and Security Review Commission.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/appearance/600148025

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

why do you think china is

why do you think china is buying all that gold?

A pipeline

China and Russia have teamed up to build a pipeline from Iran.

Gee, what if China put sanctions on us and stopped shipping stuff?

Because they know "the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia"

Read the grand chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski

http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

"The ultimate goal is to isolate the United States"

It is the polices of the US government that are isolating the United States.
China and Russia were enemies, it is the US who has pushed them back together.

it's all one big circle

it's all one big circle jerk....

A map of the region might give some insight.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YBDrxEjEO8c/SZsSO066MLI/AAAAAAAACZ...

Iran, Pakistan, India are a buffer zone for Russia and China. If Iran falls that places the US on Russia's doorstep. There are probably other reasons like the major powers competing for resources.