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We Need to Stop the Anti-Jew Posts

Anyone who knows two of Ron Paul's economic influences would be stupid, ignorant, and disgusting to take up the Daily Paul's webspace with any anti-Jewish rhetoric or holocaust denial. I stand fervently against intolerance on this board which represents a community of peaceful, liberty loving, advocates of a free society.

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Where is your thread going after the Zionist?

I am like you, it is the Zionist that are the problem for Americans, what say you? The person who started this thread.

True, We Need more Anti-Zionist Posts

True, We Need more Anti-Zionist Posts

The solution is simple.

Don't collectivize people into groups based on race or skin pigmentation.

Don't demonize people of a particular race or skin pigmentation.

Don't bash an entire nation of people because of the ideas or actions of their leaders. Those ideas or actions may not reflect the will of their people.

Ideas are fair game. If individuals group together to forward an idea antithetical to liberty, the idea itself is fair game to attack, and you can do so without attacking the individuals or group forwarding the idea, but you don't have to. People forwarding ideas to enslave you view you as their enemies. Treat them the same then, but attacking just their ideas allows you to maintain the moral high ground easier.

Now apply the above rules to this current debate.

Don't collectivize all citizens of Israel as Jews.

Don't blame all citizens of Israel for the actions of their government.

Don't demonize Jews.

Attack the ideas of Zionism, attack zionists if you must, but it's best to attack the idea, not the people. Not all citizens of Israel are zionists.

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Personal note: I can honestly say I learned the above rules from Ron Paul. I can't name the video or interview I saw, but there was a vid back in '07 or '08 where he talked about ideas being fair game because bad ideas that are implemented can damage your life, liberty, and property, and how he prefers to attack the idea and not the people promoting it.

So, on Israel, I'd love to go there someday and see for myself what it's like. If it was safe to, I'd go check out the West Bank or Gaza too, so I can make an informed opinion. Did British empire meddling after WW2 create a bad situation that festers to this day? Yep! The answer isn't some "All Jews need to leave and move back to Europe" either. That's crap. Also, cordoning off over a million people behind a wall and blockading them is crap as well. Islam, Christianity, and Hebrew all share religious roots in the Holy Land. The sooner the 3 can realize that, establish religious freedom there, and share all that they have to offer, the better.

That's my 2 cents.

I agree. However, Israel

I agree. However, Israel certainly has no problem issuing collective punishment on the Palestinians.

I wholeheartedly agree...

This is the point I've been trying to make since the beginning of all this nonsense.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Mossad

It has been helpful for me to know that an increasing number of Israelis are speaking out against their Apartheid system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4ZfnpN4Dfc

there are a lot of brave people in Israel--

and quite a few brave Jews in the U.S.--

who don't appreciate much of what the Israeli leaders/agents are doing--

These people need to be remembered and supported--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Excellent video

Thanks!

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Amen, excellent post Kelldor!

Amen, excellent post Kelldor!

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I totally agree. We should do

I totally agree. We should do a 180 and prove we are serious by doing something like this, we promote Jewish and minority gun ownership;

A new organization called "Guns for Jews and You" will administer a free gun giveaway program paid for entirely through charitable contributions.

The program will be non-racially oriented to promote diversity of gun ownership, will focus on needy families of every race, and will ask of people with means to help those families of lesser means. Proper hand gun training and responsible firearms ownership will also be offered to needy families free of charge.

There will be a variety of hand guns offered from various manufacturers in a set price range to fit the individual needs.

For every Jew that is for a

For every Jew that is for a world government, there are three other Jews against them.

For every American that is for a world government, there are three other Americans against them.

For every European that is for a world government, there are three other Europeans against them.

Every evil action is inevitably met with an equal or greater reaction.

Evil lurks in all races, and every corner of the world.

The devil is laughing at us saying, "Look, here! The Jews are responsible for everything bad under the sun. It's only them, nobody else, I swear to God! Just destroy Israel and everything will be just perfect."

Rome, the Vatican and the Jesuits, the United States MIC, the Communist International, the United Nations, the CFR, Bilderberg Group, the Bohemian Grove, Freemasonry, Football Night in America, and Hockey Night in Canada....

Yup, it's all one big Jewish conspiracy...they have total control over the entire planet, nobody else matters because every fragment of evil in the world is rooted in the Jew, and the Jew only!

If you dare suggest that a White Anglo Saxon Protestant, African, Muslim, European, or Australian is capable of evil you shall be burnt at the stake like Joan of Arc and cast into the lake of fire forever and ever.

Oy vey!

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Truth IS anti-Semitic

In some alternate universe

In some alternate universe this is anti-semitic;
Defamation

The video

An even handed view of current anti-Semitism paranoia from an Israeli's point of view..

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

we will stop

how bout this

we will stop posting them , when aipac is registered as a foreign lobby.

down with zionist plots.

feinsteins anti-gun legislation was written and helped along with the jewish lobby

nuff said

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

This thread is not about

This thread is not about identifying oppression and harmful influence of dastardly groups. It's about not racially profiling/stereo typing. And having the cognitive ability distinguish between the two.

I think we should stop the organized Anti-Anti-Semitism posts.

credits to MRothbard

There is no antisemitism here; its a construct of DOD spambots

There is no antisemitism here; its a construct of DOD's army of spambots. We have no idea how many postings at the DP are the figments of computer simulations originating at DOD laboratories.

I guarantee they run practice drills here and other places like Red State to tweak out potential problems and give real world demonstrations of continual flow AI propaganda feeds.

Over here, its the antisemitism propaganda wing of the DOD spambots. Classified as an "offensive weapon" in the propaganda war on terror, spambots post strings of antisemitic remarks with a view to bait and discredit, observing and recording reactions and making adjustments as necessary. For example, an up vote will result in more defamatory baiting, while a down vote will cause a protestation of innocence.

Over at Red State, the propaganda spambots are classified as "defensive" with promotions of war, intervention, and imperialism as conservative and American values. Again, negative reactions are analyzed and appropriately weighted protestations are posted, while positive responses are further baited with stronger "patriotism."

Personally, I am convinced Rick Santorum is not human but a simulation much like Agent Smith from The Matrix.

"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"

Is Anti-Zionism okay?

If you read what people post, you'll notice that there is no anti-Jew sentiment here. Only a lot of anti-banker, anti-Israel, anti-elite, anti-Zionism sentiment.

People here usually admire certain Jews at the same, like Ludwig von Mises or Walter Block.

This thread wasn't about Anti-Zionism posts...

At the time it was originally posted there was a rash of legitimately anti-Jewish threads popping up, with titles like "Jewish Destruction of Western Culture" and "Ernst Zundel Warns The Jews About Doing To America What They Did To Germany".

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

JoshAz did you actually READ ... Zundel?

"Ernst Zundel Warns The Jews About Doing To America What They Did To Germany".

I have not, but perhaps somebody should before saying its anti-jew.

And perhaps the 1900-1940 Jews in Europe did do something to Germany, like double cross her and get her into WWI. And perhaps those Jews as a group (not to a man) brought the ideas of socialism to fruition in Germany (and Russia) only to have it backfire upon them in WWII? And perhaps it is a truism that "most Jews" where back then 1900-1940) were socialists thru and thru, so much so that to say "Jew" was to say "Socialist", and to say "socialist" was to also be saying "Jew". Not that there were not the "odd balls", an extreme minority of Jews who actively and intellectually attacked the extremely popular socialist ideas of the time; ie Ludwig Von Mises, Hayek, etc. Milton Friedman writes about how much of a small minority they were, and so met at the Mt Perlon society meeting or some such thing. A dozen free market anti socialist intellectuals at best. So small were they that they could all sit around a living room and have a discussion. The point being, these jews where odd, strange, and certainly "on the fringe". Indeed, they even are today! So my point is I think the common man, like any common man, will not separate out socialist from jew. At the end of WWII, if there was such thing as a wide sweeping opinion poll, I gather that both terms, socialist and jew, would get a whopping 3% approval rating. The small sect of Zionist jews, jews that pined for a 'land of their own", a 'homeland', and claimed the 'right of return to Judia and Sumatra', also felt that extreme unpopularity. They emigrated to what is now Israel. And with it, they brought their socialist ideas, their battle hardened militancy, and their religious zeal. Did they seek out Ottaman era property rights to purchase lands from Palestinians who, for safety, kept their sons off title records (the Turks would use male names on property records as conscription roles from which to press one into the Ottoman army.). Did these jewish Zionist socialist seek out rightful property owners? That is, did they even believe in private property rights, let alone have the secular sense of respecting muslim ownership? I doubt it. See the Journal of Libertarian Studies where according to one jewish libertarian researcher, about 7% of land was purchased out right, honestly. The rest was taken by many routes, institutionally, through courts, through terrorist battles, etc. By the time that the UN granted Israel the land that it did, already property theft was an issue so much so that Palestinians could not even agree to that much, and rejected those claims outright. And I don't say this because I am "on the side of Palestinians" nor am I "pro-muslim" and I am certainly not "anti-jew". These are the facts as best that I know them to be. Finally, while the average European was done listening to Jews/Socialism after WWII, Americans where not much better at all. Yet American Jews where successful in pulling in many European Jews into the USA. And not to their credit, as if not having learned the lessons of socialist failure, began to push Left for socialism in the USA -- through books, magazines, newspapers, movies, etc. Not even 15 years later, senator Joe McCarthy is busy outing the leftists in Hollywood, many of which where Jews. And two Jewish Americans where spys to the Soviet Communists and they gave away the nuclear secrets.

Now JoshAz, I agree with you, antisemitism has got to go. But what one must be VERY careful of is being HYPER Sensitive to authentic facts and calling a spade a spade. Jewish reaction, particularly liberal jewish reaction, is hypersensitive to the point of ridiculousness. It reminds me of trying to have a reasonable discussion about welfare and the minimum wage with black Americans. If they so much as see you are white and male and articulating against welfare and the min wage, then "you are a racist", end of story, case closed, I put my hands over my ears. Such hypersensitivity to race and ethnicity and nationality and religious affiliation makes rational discussion of the facts nearly impossible. Lets not go down that road on the DP. Some facts about Jews will be unpleasant, some about white gentiles will be unpleasant. The key is not to place your identity into some historical collective, thus forcing you to defend that racial or national or religious collective. It takes a strong character, perhaps, but I am sure you are just the right individual.
Treg

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You are proving my point...

by saying Jews did this and Jews did that, you are implying collective guilt on an ethnic group for the actions of individuals.

By the way, Zundel is a neo-Nazi and a white supremacist.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Wait a minute. Why are Jews

Wait a minute. Why are Jews the only group who can never be critiqued? How often do we hear critiques of Islamic this or Islamic that. Of how Muslims attacked us on 9/11, etc. Or what about critiques of fundamentalist Christians? I don't believe it is good to critique entire groups, but we see it all the time when it comes to other groups. Jews? Never. You lose all your rights when you do that. Jews are no better or no worse than any other group, but they ARE treated with kidgloves more than any other group.

Look

If you group an entire people together and call them anything, you're ignorant.

Not all blacks do one thing, not all jews do one thing, not all whites do one thing. We're all individuals. Basically, anyone talking about one group of people doing one thing is a bigot, and the Daily Paul has many bigots.

This is the most racist website I've ever been apart of. I often times think about never coming again because of the intolerance shown by many people here.

You are clearly projecting.

You are clearly projecting. You completely ignored my larger point.

No

Your larger point is ridiculous.

Uhhhmmm...Jew is not a race.

Uhhhmmm...Jew is not a race.

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So...

Prejudice isn't singular to race. You can hate groups not based on race and still be an asshole.

Then why does Wikipedia

call them an ethnoreligious group and why do Israeli leaders like Netanyahu use the phrase "jewish race"?

See shuleba comment below...

See shuleba comment below...

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