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What You Think Of Me Is None Of My Business

What You Think of Me is None of My Business

The title says it all. I haven't read the book, though I have it, simply because I like the title.

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Be yourself; everyone else is already taken. - Oscar Wilde

To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting.
-E E Cummings

9-11 was a panda job.

I love e e cummings

Some other good quotes:

"Private property began the instant somebody had a mind of his own."

"To like an individual because he is black is just as insulting as to dislike him because he isn't white."

"A politican is an arse upon which everyone has sat except a man."

"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Michael Nystrom's picture

Panda, I will bump to that

Inclined to agree

But how about teaching people about Liberty. Does that not involve telling people how we think they could change?

I don't think trying to change people is very . . .

Christlike. I see the picture you have in your upper right hand corner.

I think that teaching people the truth is a noble goal; beyond that, those we teach must make their own decisions. It's called several things: free agency, moral agency, free will.

It is even in the bible (Hebrews 12:22; Revelations 12:3-9, focus on verses 4 and 7)--

that there were 'angels' who chose not to follow God. Certainly they knew what they were doing. They didn't want: peace, happiness, joy with God, etc.--

Some of *us* want liberty. Some of *us* want peace. Some of *us* want the political madness in the world (the oligarchy/oppression/destruction) to end.

But, unfortunately, like the angels who 'fell' with the 'dragon' not every human being does. I am beginning to realize that not everyone wants liberty; not everyone wants peace.

I have to accept that. It's hard, but God had to accept it, too; imagine how He has mourned.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Perfect words

Yes, God has to mourn. I think that's one of the greatest strengths of our shared Christian belief, because we know that God will force nobody into heaven. It's completely our choice. He can't force the human mind, because it is our own. We get to take responsibility for our own actions and not those of anyone else.

I still will believe that sharing the truth about the universe and liberty and unalienable rights is a personal obligation. I don't believe in forcing that belief on anyone else, because obviously doing so IS hypocrisy. But hiding that knowledge and keeping it to myself is ALSO hypocrisy.

Thanks again.

"Does that not involve

"Does that not involve telling people how we think they could change?"

It's not your job, or mine, to tell people how we think they should change.

I'm only asking

What qualifies as "telling people how we think they could change" and what doesn't?

This is an important question that gets into the whole "Freedom FROM Religion" and the consequent "hate speech" argument.

Can you tell me that I'm doing something wrong if I tell someone that I believe in Liberty when I know that they believe in Statism. What if I can tell them something that makes them reflect on their possibly uneducated personal stance and this leads to them choosing to change their behavior?

I'm just probing for a general answer, I guess I'm just not getting my point across.

It's all right to tell people how you believe, what you feel--

etc. Sometimes the things *we* say wake people up; sometimes they don't.

My spouse and I have been trying to wake up people for decades, and we have had very little success; one family member (and spouse) did finally wake up; only one woke up, but that was good.

I never pressed. I never urged. I just explained and was very patient.

It bore fruit.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

live and let live

you can't force liberty onto people otherwise it's not liberty.

Again... "force liberty"

Are you saying there is no difference between teaching someone about liberty and forcing them to accept liberty?

Are you saying we shouldn't expose fraud and oppression, because then we are forcing people to believe something different then they ignorantly believed before?

You must be completely misunderstanding me. Are Tom Woods, Peter Schiff, Josh Tolley and all the others doing something wrong by teaching people their personal beliefs so that their listener's learn and change in a positive way? Is Rand Paul doing something wrong right now, because he's trying to convince his colleagues to demand a better answer from the current Administration on drone strikes on American soil?

Please, please try to understand me.

now you use the word "teaching"--

there's nothing wrong with that; it's 'changing people' that I saw in your first post--

I am trying to understand you, but I'm not the person you are talking to--

LOL!

I jump into conversations uninvited--

:)

Peace.

No; you're right; even though I wasn't the one you were talking to . . . you didn't say 'changing people', you said 'teaching people how they can change'--

it's a tricky difference, but I think I get it.

I . . . um . . . used to try to change people, and I don't anymore.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thanks!

Yeah, I just wanted to clarify, because I fear people using the argument "your beliefs are none of my business" to try and suppress free speech and free exercise of religion.

My favorite scripture (and yes, it's a heathen Mormon one) is this:

Alma 42:27 - Therefore, O my son, whosoever will come may come and partake of the waters of life freely; and whosoever will not come the same is not compelled to come; but in the last day it shall be restored unto him according to his deeds.

Basically, I don't believe it's even possible for me to change your heart all by myself. All I can do is offer you the truth that I have, and give you the opportunity to accept it. It's not my concern or responsibility whether you accept it. I can't force you to accept it or even to hear me out, but I do retain the right to share my beliefs with you, even if it is my hope that you accept it, and even if I share what I believe the upcoming consequences will be if you don't accept it.

If I tell you the ship is sinking, and you'll probably be underwater if you don't escape, I don't feel any guilt at telling you this. On the contrary, I would feel guilty by not telling you. Ultimately, if I have told you and you choose not to accept my words, I have no right to force you to follow them. While I may still desire it and be sad if you don't, because I understand the consequences for you, and I may care for you as a brother/sister in mankind, I fully recognize that it is beyond my right to control your outcome.

You're welcome--

Have a good day.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I guess if I can answer myself

I would say that we should primarily focus on living the principles of liberty, and exercise our free speech to teach without singling people out negatively.

Right track? thoughts?

I would say so, and I voted you one (which I don't . . .

do often) to make the point.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I love that title. Many years

I love that title. Many years ago I had a mentor who was worth about ten figures and he used to say that if you cared about what others thought of you, you had low self esteem. This title is a better way of saying the exact same thing

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Not a personal

mentor, though. Correct?

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Yes he was, even business

Yes he was, even business partner's for a while, then I had to fire him because he went all Gordon Gecko on me!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Good quote

Not sure where it originates but it's used a lot in recovery groups.

A mentor of mine often uses different quotes that dovetail with this one.

"Everyone is three people, who they think they are, who others think they are and who they really are; the more you understand the third the less important the first two become."

"Your opinion of me is not who I am, good or bad".

The crucial part for me, in the context of recovery and spiritual progress, is understanding the reverse is true as well. People are not my opinion of them.

Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio

Michael Nystrom's picture

Profound insight

People are not my opinion of them [and] understanding the reverse is true as well. People are not my opinion of them.

People are not my opinion of them.

“Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying.”

Ralph Waldo Emerson

9-11 was a panda job.

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Love it.
I wish I kept it someone else's business

This is an old RuPaul quote!

"What other people think of me is not my business. What I do is what I do. How people see me doesn't change what I decide to do."

-RuPaul during a 2007 interview

here's another good one from her...

“Be very careful of what you allow to infiltrate your consciousness and subconsciousness. When you watch too much television, you'll start to feel inferior from all the commercials hard selling the idea that you're not complete unless you buy their product [...] The ad agencies appeal to your fear of not being wanted or loved. It's the same with the local news. They get you to stay tuned with a constant stream of fear tactics [...] It's as if our culture is addicted to fear and the flat screen is our drug dealer. Don't allow that crap into your head!”

I think you'll agree.

I've lived by this philosophy ever since I got here. I'm not trying to win any popularity contests... I'm trying to wake people up to the FACTS before it's TOO LATE!

Agree.

"I'm trying to wake people up to the FACTS before it's TOO LATE!"

Wayne Dyer recommends this book.

He referred to it when talking about how nobody has just one reputation. Rather we have a different reputation in the mind of every person that knows us or thinks they know us. Someone telling someone else what they think of them is ultimately pointless, because even if that person were to try to change themselves to fit that particular person's criteria, they'd just end up making someone else upset!

So ultimately, really, truly, what you think of me, really really is, none of my business.

9-11 was a panda job.

Yes. I thought of Wayne Dyer when I

saw the title. His books really helped me out when I was a lot younger and going through some hard times.

Michael Nystrom's picture

I agree with that statement.

Someone telling someone else what they think of them is ultimately pointless, because even if that person were to try to change themselves to fit that particular person's criteria, they'd just end up making someone else upset!

I have experienced this first hand at the helm of the DP.

I used to take it personally. After someone told me the title of this book, and explained the concept, I don't much bother anymore.