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I need help with a question regarding the planes hitting the towers on 9/11.

I was speaking with a close friend of mine, a former military man, about 9/11 and the different theories about it. I was telling him how more and more people were beginning to believe that our own government was behind the attacks. With that thought in mind, he asked me a question that I could not answer. The question is this: if our government was behind the attacks and planned on blaming terrorist for it, why use planes, then explosions to bring them down? Why not just use explosives and then blame that on the terrorist, since they are known for using explosives anyways? He said he felt that, if this is true, then what is the point of using planes? He said it's like stabbing someone to death, then shooting them to cover up the bullet holes. I would love to give him a logical reason, but I couldn't think of one. Can someone help me out with this? Thanks

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This is a real question, I am not trying to say I believe the official reasons for 9/11, so please don't down vote me. :)

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Obvious answer is..

We are supposed to believe that Al Quaeda is a bunch of arabs working from caves in Afghanistan. How would they have access to be buildings in order to plant the most sophisticated demolition charges known? There would have to be an investigation into what the explosives used were and how they got access. This would end up pointing the dirty finger in the direction of the US where military grade nano thermite,planned shutdowns prior to 9/11 and elevator upgrades were part of a long going operation to deal with the inevitable, a bunch of asbestos riddled buildings that were an insurance liability unless they could be just blown up. So they plant the seeds of a simple plan, arabs with boxcutters, so that they can get 19 patsys on board and create the necessary chatter that was deliberately missed in order to claim incompetence (See Presidential Brief .. terrorist plan to fly planes into WTC.) It is a simple decoy, easily to believe and easy to pull off since planes are able to be remote controlled. All they needed was the distraction, and that of course was NORAD simulations placing multiple blips on the computer screens of airport operators. Very few players are needed to pull this stunt off. Blaming al quaeda means they get the wars they want but more importantly the 'continuity of government' is enacted that can subsequently operate outside of the constitution in order to bring down the constitution, impose tyrrany and rob everyone of the wealth that they artificially created in the US through the petro dollar and federal reserve ponzi scheme that syphoned off the rest of the world. Cashing in their chips so to speak.

So, really quite simple and obvious!!!!!

Because they had more targets than just the 2 WTC buildings.

It is believed that there were several more targets that day but that they didn't work out for one reason or another.

This is evidenced by the other 2 planes which DIDN'T hit the towers.

Some believe that when they ordered all aricraft to land, that there were hijackers on some of thoese planes but they had to abort their missions.

Have you read the book: "The New Pearl Harbor?"

It's a good timeline book on what happened leading up to and following the events of 9/11.

After reading that book it's hard to think the goverment wasn't connected in some way - if even just allowing it to happen.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Buildings 3, 4, 5, & 6...?

World Trade Center 3 (WTFD 3) The Vista Hotel and the Marriott Hotel/
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/WTC_ch3.htm
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$300 Million Missing Gold

Precious Metals in WTC 4 Vault: Only a Fraction Recovered?

This image is found on the PBS.org website companion for the television documentary America Rebuilds under the section Uncovering Property. The page, entitled A Treasure in Silver and Gold, describes the vault as two levels of 3,000 square feet each. See the source for the full-sized image. The page credits images to Leslie E. Robertson and Associates.
The basement of 4 World Trade Center housed vaults used to store gold and silver bullion. Published articles about precious metals recovered from the World Trade Center ruins in the aftermath of the attack mention less than $300 million worth of gold
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html
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5 World Trade Center. The September 11th Attack
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc5.html

WTC 5 was a nine-story building that stood east of the North Tower (WTC 1). The building had two dozen tenants, with its fourth through ninth floors being occupied almost entirely by Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse First Boston, and government agencies.
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6 World Trade Center: The September 11th Attack
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc6.html

WTC 6 was an eight-story building that stood directly northeast of the the North Tower (WTC 1). Its tenants consistent almost entirely of federal government agencies. It housed the offices of 760 employees of the U.S. Customs service.

Evacuation: 800 workers were evacuated from WTC 6 within 12 minutes of the first plane striking the North Tower. That impact caused debris to rain down on the roof of Building 6, which was adjacent to the impacted wall of the tower.

Holes: WTC 6 was severely damaged on September 11 with two holes that extend the height of the building. The photo, from directly overhead WTC 6 on September 23, shows a large crater in the center of the building, and a smaller one in the southeast end (bottom of photo).
It appears that fires may have raged through WTC 6. The FEMA Report, which has extensive discussion about fires in WTC 5, is silent on fires in WTC 6. From the appearance of the remains of WTC 6, it probably had fires similar in severity to those in WTC 5.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Because...

1. The explosives would have to be set up perfectly or the demolition would not execute properly and it would be very hard to convince people that terrorists could set up explosives months in advance in such a secure and public building.

2. There were CIA , FBI and Rudy G. Office in bldg #7. Can cavemen terrorists really bypass the best funded security and intelligence organizations in the world for months and setup explosives so perfectly. Or was allowed to occur?

The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.

- Calvin Coolidge

Also... how did the

Also... how did the "terrists" know to pick the day when the MOST air defense drills on any day in US history were happening? They siphoned all the fighter jets away from the East coast with at least 22 war-game scenarios. These scenarios also confused NORAD as they didn't know if they were participating in another drill or a real world event.

Because if they didn't use planes.

Then twisted morons on ego trips, could not grab your balls or feel you out at the airport, which plays into demoralization. That's just one of many reasons to make people feel vulnerable.

They didn't use planes, they used media fakery....

The point of manufacturing fake plane impacts was just for the drama and theater.

These manufactured hollywood style events become ingrained in the minds of the masses. It doesn't have to be logical. It doesn't have to be scientific. It just has to be believed by 51% of the public or even less.

Who cares if an aluminum framed plane shouldn't be able to defy Newton's third law of motion and melt into a concrete reinforced steel building? Who cares if a commercial jetliner can't be controlled at 500+mph much less travel more than a couple hundred mph at sea-level without shaking & breaking apart because of the thick density of air at sea-level? Who cares that the plane engines created no smoke & fire vortices on impact? Who cares if the various video images of the planes all look different and show them flying in from different angles with one video even showing a wing disappear in certain frames? Who cares if the only video supposedly caught for the first plane impact looks like some weird flying metal blob? Who cares that if two such plane impacts were to happen it couldn't possibly collapse three entire concrete reinforced steel buildings much less one? Who cares if 85%+ of the roughly three thousand supposed victims are not in the Social Security Death index and half of those listed in the SSDI are from five organizations: military, NY Police & Fire, the NY Port Authority, Marsh Mclennan and Cantor Fitzgerald (a psyop financial services front company whose business units are probably largely made up)?

Anyways the whole point is just to shock the people. Military intelligence doesn't worry too much about it being logical, scientific, or even believable. They do want to make their operations clean and easy so they probably wanted to minimize deaths. They wouldn't want thousands of real victim family members hounding them for the truth, plus all the actors in these operations would probably feel a tiny bit of remorse. Hence, they just used the media & actors in intelligence to fake the event, shock the world, and continue to perpetuate the fake story. It seems to have worked so far. It's been over 11 years already? Heck they continue to perpetuate media fakery and hoaxes with Sandy Hook etc. Good thing is slowly, but surely more people are catching on to what's going on.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

I'm with you on this

The 911 truth movement is also kept in a quagmire so it will never go anywhere. What has AE911 Truth accomplished? Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and even Alex Jones? They are there to keep us chasing our tail. You got down votes here. If you want more, just mention Judy Wood or John Hutchinson. About Sandy Hook... I don't believe a lone gunman nut had the motive in any remote way to equal the motive of those who want to disarm the public and promote the nanny-surveillance
-police-prison-war-empire. It is hopeless.

Mikoni

Credibility

I was #13 up-vote.
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If 'another' bomb attack was used, it would have jeopardized credibility. And, credibility was needed to convince the population that this was a real attack, and that the attack couldn't be avoided.

If the bomb only approach was used, people would question, that nothing was learned from the previous 'first' bomb attack, reducing credibility.

The illusion was needed that it wasn't done, 'the same way', that they have learned, in people's eyes, counter measurements to avoid, 'another' such attack, 'credibility'.

So, another route was planned-out to out-flank doubters, a person might say. Increasing, at least the illusion of "credibility".

Anyone That Questions 9/11

needs to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSifMddGf8 Have your friend do so, nuff said to him.

skippy

The planes were a cover for the demolition.

The planes hitting the buildings with a ball of fire provided the "reason" for the buildings to collapse, and the third plane that was supposed to hit WTC7 never made it due to brave Americans on the Flight who brought it down before it could make it to NY. There are many reasons to debunk the government conspiracy and cover up and I do not have time to mention them all, but here are a few to consider and need to be presented to the sheep.
1. Massive amounts of molten steel in the rubble, when jet fuel cannot get hot enough to melt steel.Since when does molten steel occur in a building collapse?
2. News media at BBC reporting the collapse of WTC7 10 to 20 minutes before it actually collapsed.
3. The owner of the WTC complex being awarded $7 Billion from an ant-terrorist insurance policy (with a double indemnity terrorist clause inserted into it) bought months before the attack, after he was informed that he was going to have to perform asbestos abatement on the twin towers as required by the EPA that would cost millions of dollars.
4. Twin Towers and WTC7 collapse at near free fall speed, meaning there is no resistance to the collapsing building (Classic Demolition)
and last but not least, the only other reason -- In an attempt to prove that the buildings were not wired for demolition, citizens requested the work permits for the buildings to see who was in the buildings working on elevators, maintenance, etc, but could not get the infomation due to officials saying the information is "a matter of National Security" and not available to the public. What would you think about this when this information would disprove without a doubt (or Prove) that the buildings were demolished!!
You be the judge, and join the AE911 for truth members calling for a new investigation of the 9/11 conspiracy!

Signed,
an AE911 engineer

The Reason they used planes and explosives...

was to usher in the TSA and lock down our airports.

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

Some people believe in the

Some people believe in the hologram theory...planes didn't hit the Towers, but I find that so hard to believe, while at the same time I don't find it so hard to believe either.

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

F. Scott Fitzgerald

Real planes, or holograms...they achieved the desired effect on the American people.

They used planes, and bombs. Or...
They used holograms, and bombs.

Same result.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Maybe they used hollowgrams and media direction;

well placed witnesses, bombs for actual audio effect and real witnesses; then hurricane Erin steered and positioned to have NY and NJ in an electromagnetic field for the use of interfering radio and microwave to cook the buildings at low temperatures until all materials disassociated and caused large holes in WTC buildings 5 and 6, and in the roadways, changing magnetic declination of earth during only the timeline of events, the returning to normal when Erin went away. (Not a joke)

Mikoni

I like to stick to AE911's

I like to stick to AE911's approach: We don't claim to know who, or what exactly happened. ALL we're saying is that the (revamped) official story is a physical impossibility and a clear, demonstrable falsehood. I leave it up to people to go from there.

(Yes we have the put options, we have money laundering through Deutsche Bank, we have extremely strong but still circumstantial evidence that ties certain people into it, but I think the first step is to dismantle the lie they constructed.)

Shock & Awe

Shock & Awe, my friend.
It "justified" the creation of DHS and TSA...
They could have never gotten that much mileage out of just bombs. REMEMBER--they bombed it in 1993. The FBI was even caught providing bomb making material to their paid patsy informant Emad Salim. People forgot about it.

People forgot about the Alfred P. Murrah building in OK City just a few years after they bombed it... But planes are something people associate with *themselves*. They think, "holy schnikes, that could have been me!"

I

I would also add the pentagon and the 2.3 trillion

Just blowing

it up sounds unrealistic to me because bombs alone would mean someone let people in to set the charges and would raise a lot more questions. The planes covered up the use of bombs.

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They wanted nice neat piles of rubble to cart away quickly.

It would have been a real mess to have these buildings still standing but gutted or if they would have come down asymmetrically. Plus the whole thing was orchestrated from WTC7. That building had to be totally destroyed. If terrorists could bring these buildings down perfectly with explosives alone, then there would be little doubt that it was an inside job because it would have taken months to wire them. The planes were needed as a distraction from the planned demolition. Two planes hit two nearly identical buildings in two different places. Yet, they both still fall symmetrically. That fact alone is proof of demolition.

It is proof of demolition of some type; but

the idea that debris was hauled away is questionable. Pictures of location of WTC 1 on 9/12/01 showed 4 stories of debris pile from a 110 story building. That would mean that the main portion of a 500,000 ton building, including steel and concrete and contents would have to have drifted away in atmosphere. In controlled explosive demolition the materials are still there but in the pile to be removed later. There is a rule of thumb of 12-15% of the height of the structure, from what I have read.

Mikoni

I would add this...

The visual spectacle of commercial airliners smashing into skyscrapers was extremely powerful and shocking. 9/11 became a voyeuristic mass-murder media event for the entire country.

Of the more glaring anomalies perhaps the most indisputable was the US govt's total failure to defend the American people.

By 9/11/01 the US gov't projected its military presence around the world spending trillions of dollars on its "defensive" capabilities and billions on its intelligence gathering operations, all of which completely failed.

For a solid 3 hours Americans were left feeling totally vulnerable with no assurance that their gov't was doing its job, i.e., providing for the "common defense." In hindsight this would be like watching the local high school football team beat the Baltimore Ravens in the Superbowl. It just isn't supposed to happen - unless they let it.

The propagandists decided it better to focus on the heroism of the firefighters and cops then to dwell upon the Feds crisis of inaction on 9/11 - aka "Government Failure Day."

easy

yes i agree, cover for demo , but also , think of the imagery that was created that day , that imagery was emblazened onto minds for all of eternity and can not be undone.

now tell your naive military buddy to spread his legs a little wider while TSA squeeze on his testicles.

nuff said!

also one more thing

quid pro quo = ZIONISM!

"He's this eccentric Ghandi-Like figure that you cant touch with the normal bribes that people respond to."
the man Doug Wead on DR. RON PAUL

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The planes were a COVER...

To mask the controlled demolition.

Controlled demolition of this magnitude, can only be undertaken by a handful of experts and firms around the world.

The advanced materials and types of explosive used in these events are usually only in the hands of the military, and certainly not available to a man hiding in a cave in Afghanistan.

(With earphones on), I would watch these documentaries full screen when you have time. Forward to your friend as well. These are well-done productions...and there are many more than this. These should open your friend's eyes:

1. ARCHITECTS & ENGINEERS: SOLVING THE MYSTERY OF WTC7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

2. 9/11 EXPLOSIVE EVIDENCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg

3. HYPOTHESIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cfjYUHF8UE

4. LOOSE CHANGE - AN AMERICAN COUP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a58Zfu9kBb0

5. CIA INSIDER TELLS 9/11 TRUTH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rnbMj...

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

You got it.

It was a cover and more importantly was thought to have been so obviously the cause of collapse that it didn't even require much investigation. Looks like it worked. Only a handful of us don't believe those planes brought the buildings down but many many other people do. Either the plot to crash planes was likely discovered beforehand and allowed to happen in order to set the stage for the impending explosions, or quite possibly terrorist leaders were recruited and likely received compensation to convince other radical Muslims that this needed to be done without even knowing who was funding the mission. It really plays right into a scenario that is completely believable and almost expected given our actions in the Middle East. A planned and sophisticated demolition by terrorists however, would have meant that explosive testing was actually done and that would lead one to question how the "terrorists" were able to obtain and use nanothermite, and gain access to the building, etc. In my mind, acknowledging demolition, means a much much wider scope of investigation would have occured and thus a greater chance of those responsible getting caught.

Of course, there is also the remote possibilty that it was in fact a demolition carried out by terrorists and the Bush admin. simply didn't want to own up to knowing that there was more that occured than what was actually witnessed for fear of being perceived as unable to protect the country.

That's an easy one.

Without planes involved, there would be no TSA.

There would be no groundwork laid making Americans used to living like they are behind the Iron Curtain.

There would be little "justification" for daily infringement of liberty of movement, which is the most basic liberty.

There would be no TSA goons molesting daughters and wives and grandmas in full public view while emasculated men stood by and let them do it.

There would be no demoralizing pedopheliac molesting of little girls and boys, or of paraplegics.

The TSA is moving out from the airports now. They are, or soon will be in every train and bus terminal.

They've already begun trials on Interstate checkpoints in Tennessee, and have ordered hundreds if not thousands of bullet proof checkpoint booths.

They've expanded to sports stadiums and other large events.

NONE of that would be possible without the planes. NONE of it.

The planes were the whole key to turning on the American people, and not only getting them to accept it, but to BEG for it.

People aren't as afraid of bombs pre-planted or placed in a moving van as they are of unwittingly being made into a bomb themselves.

The planes also provided excellent theatre that day. It made everything more dramatic.

Random bombs going off on high-profile targets is one thing. Random planes being turned into bombs and you don't know if your on one or where the next one will hit is quite another.

No, the planes were an integral part of the plan. They've been included since the days of Operation Northwoods.

The entire idea was massive "shock and awe" to support endless war and a police state at home.

No planes = no shock or awe.

No shock and awe = no war and no police state.

I agree with others that we

I agree with others that we need to be very careful how we use language to talk about 9/11 Truth. We should always say that "elements of our government, along with Mossad were involved." If you aren't talking about Israel when you discuss 9/11, then you aren't addressing the problem. See War by Deception, 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSifMddGf8

If there were planes

it is amazing how few actual witness,(not video and photo), testimony about viewing the planes. I can't say . However, I do know that magnetometer data in 6 stations in Alaska showed shift in the earth's magnetic field in exact correspondence with plane impacts and the collapses, including exact collapse of building 7.
This only scratches the surface of the destruction of all seven buildings of the WTC. Please read Where Did The Towers Go, by Dr. Judy Wood, before you go any further. The 911 truth movement is set up to fail intentionally by elements within. If there were explosives, it was to add to the quagmire of evidence to keep us all at odds. Evidence of Directed Energy interference technology is present and proven. Even evidence of weather control evident by the unreported hurricane Erin on a path of magnetic north directly to and hovering near NYC, holding a electromagnetic field in NY and NJ in place for the event. Concrete and steel turned to dust that day. The buildings turned to dust and the next day you could still walk under them below grade. At least check out Dr. Judy's website.
Explosives do not explain all of the issues involved especially the lack of seismic evidence related to the event.

Mikoni

NORAD story keeps changing.

It seems that no actual planes were detected on September 11. 2001.

Was NORAD the American version of plywood missiles and tanks in Red Square.

Who profited?

Free includes debt-free!

I didn't know the NORAD info on the tracking.

From pilots for 911 truth, they claim that a 767 cannot fly at the speeds the planes were tracked on radar. (at least at sea level), and in simulators, even very experienced pilots had a poor success rate of hitting the towers.

Mikoni