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Holder Confirms: President Can Use Lethal Force Against Americans on US Soil

By Adam Serwer | Tue Mar. 5, 2013 | Mother Jones

Yes, the president does have the authority to use military force against American citizens on US soil—but only in "an extraordinary circumstance," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a letter to Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) Tuesday.

"The U.S. Attorney General's refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening," Paul said Tuesday. "It is an affront the constitutional due process rights of all Americans."

Last month, Paul threatened to filibuster the nomination of John Brennan, Obama's pick to head the CIA, "until he answers the question of whether or not the President can kill American citizens through the drone strike program on U.S. soil." Tuesday, Brennan told Paul that "the agency I have been nominated to lead does not conduct lethal operations inside the United States—nor does it have any authority to do so." Brennan said that the Justice Department would answer Paul's question about whether Americans could be targeted for lethal strikes on US soil.

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just the way you said it... that was a good line!

Loved it...

"Shoot back..... At a drone?"


Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!



~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

And for what reason would

And for what reason would they want to use deadly force on Americans? What is the meaning of all this? Is it in case of a revolt? Population control? What? What do they want?

the PROBLEM is the WHITE HOUSE gets to determine

....what an "extraordinary circumstance" means! It's NOT right. It's NOT ethical. It's NOT fair!

These people in the White House are BIG-TIME FASCISTS! There is NO doubt about it!


So, all of the above? And

So, all of the above? And then some?

Don't worry

he'll have more flexibility after the election.

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You assume there will be one

You assume there will be an election. I am starting to wonder.


Texans have a history of dealing with these sorts of things accordingly. Bring it on buddy. There's over 30 million of us ready to hole up in our own little Alamo called home. Once you fire that first shot though... you'll find a whole new need for all those FEMA coffins. If you think drones, armored vehicles, SWAT teams and child molesters in clown suits at airports scare a bunch of pissed off rednecks you got another thing coming. When will you tyrants learn there's 3 kinds of people in this country... the oppressor... the oppressed... and me. You don't want to meet me.

Liberty: Too big to fail

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Rand will go to 'Plan B' to stop this. Good thinking.

Paul said he will filibuster Brennan’s confirmation over the issue but acknowledged “we probably can’t stop him.” He did say, however, he intends to co-sponsor a bill with Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, to be introduced in the next few days, that would bar the president from using drone strikes in the U.S.

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Message to Rand Paul

Why are you introducing a bill that says "please don't do what you've already done"???

Why not impeach him now, for last year's murder of two American citizens? Are you waiting for another of us to die before filing impeachment charges? WTF?!!??!

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Is this a different standard than the individual has?

Last I checked an individual has the right to use lethal force to stop a violent crime in progress. Is this different than what Holder said?

rand has admitted that using

rand has admitted that using lethal force to stop imminent dangers, such as a robber pointing a gun at a FBI agent, this is where they murder someone sitting Ina cafe or their house who is not an imminent danger.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."


It boils down to the difference between imminent and extraordinary

Oh, well

as long as the disgraceful Eric Holder says so, it must be true. (Eyeroll)

What is this pollution

What is this pollution
To Article One of the US Constitution?
Guilty without trial
Is unAmerican and vial

For what possible purpose
Do we surrender Habeas Corpus?
From colonial time wisdom
A cornerstone of the American system

With exception for rebellion or invasion
Which I see none
Yet, how ironic that in Boston today
the Tea Party could never be done.

What is the line between rebellion and anti big government speech?
I don't know but it's a thin line to breach
So we better beware
Now with drones in the air
If you step out of line you can be killed dead on Main street

just-a-girl, did you write

just-a-girl, did you write this and do you mind if I share it?

Yes, I did write this just

Yes, I did write this just after reading about this on the DailyPaul.

I am flattered that you think enough of it to share. Thank you very much! Feel free to share it.

Congratulations on writing

Congratulations on writing it, it was very well done. Thank you for writing it and thank you for letting me share it!

Obama = Hitler

Maybe that needs to be the new bumper sticker.

LMFAO... should be a bumper sticker... excellent point...

Funny though, we would probably get pulled over just for having it on our car and the "authorities" claiming that anyone who has such a bumper sticker is a potential terrorist...

When in reality the President is a terrorist and the Police officer who would pull you over for having one would also be a terrorist!!!

How oxymoronic the whole thing would be! Terrorists (cops) pulling over someone exercising their freedom of speech claiming that that person (that would be us) is a terrorist

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

The Government Reserves The Right To Define "Extraordinary"

I gues the Justice Department took their time in coming up with this explanation for holder..

We are effing 'dead meat'...

I'm sure Rand Paul has got to feel like he is now living in Nazi Germany...'Be afraid, be very afraid...'

The difference being this Hitler was a violent authoritarian..

Lenin and Stalin were a more feminine, seductive, persuasive..

Fascism = a type of overt violent authoritarian = A drunk violent father type, beating you into submission

Communism = a type of sweet or femine seductive authoritarian, like a spoiling mother, "I will give you food if you turn in your guns..

Of course you say, but what is the difference? Tyranny is tyranny..

The Obama Presidency may lead to a more authoritarian, more violent type possibly, a Jeb Bush, for instance, in 2016...

When the global elite and their useful idiots are ready, they will completely tank the dollar and so will our markets. The welfare checks and food stamps will not mailed out anymore.

The DHS will then unleash those amoured tanks, along with the armour piercing ammo on us, then you will know when its too late that your now living in hell on earth..

We reserve the right to define traitor

Just for the record

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Extraordinary Circumstances

We've been living under "extraordinary circumstances" since 9/11 (at least).

This too shall pass.

This too shall pass.

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Translation: In other words anything goes when the time comes.

If drone strikes against Americans are O.K., then FEMA Camp internments with executions without charges or trials will also be acceptable. So will shooting suspected trouble makers on the streets or in their homes. This is called none other than martial law. Such a nice friendly government we have.

The S is definitely hitting the fan...

no doubt

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

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Thanks for

sharing this (distressing) information, Michael.

Please excuse me while I go cry my azz off! Yes, I am still O.P.O.G.G. (one po'd great granny), but I am so worried about what the future holds for my children, grandchildren and great grandchild, that I need to go off by myself to release some of this pent-up emotion.

I will be back tomorrow, if not later on tonight.

To the traitors out there: I will never give up. As long as I am able, I will fight to restore constitutional governance in this country. Do not make the mistake of thinking I am the only one!

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Time to organize....

a tax revolt! If people stop paying taxes the feds will run out of revenue real quick (well legitimate revenue, we know how they like to print those FRN's!). This is just one suggestion for a drastic countermove by us the people, peaceful non-compliance with tyranny. Any other suggestions?

More like time to organize the Militia!!!!!

The bastards will just print more until the currency collapses bringing us all with them!!!

That's why I recommend restoring, reorganizing, re arming and disciplining the militia of the several States!

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!