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70 Year Old Non-Criminal Austin Man Killed When Defending Himself from Disarmament

I suppose this is what we have to look forward to when they come to disarm us.

Article...

Even at 70, John Schaefer still wore his Austin High School class ring.

He was a proud longtime Austin resident, Victoria Schaefer, his daughter-in-law, said Saturday. He would call his only son at the crack of dawn each year and wake him up to wish him happy birthday.

And he was dedicated to his mother, who shared a duplex with him on Lanshire Drive until her death almost two years ago.

It was there on Friday that a police officer shot and killed John Schaefer after he refused to surrender his gun and then aimed his weapon at the officer, officials said.

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http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/family-mourns-man-k...




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2 shots?

witness said he heard 2 shots?

estanislao

I don't buy it.

Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but I do not believe for a second the cop's story. The old guy was a firearm instructor. I guarantee you what *actually* happened is that the cop told him to disarm, he refused, the cop shot him and lied about it.

Because, after all, who is a jury going to believe? The Almighty and Benign Police Officer, or the family of the EVIL dead old guy?

It's shocking how no news story *ever* questions the police story.

no such thing

as "overly suspicious" when dealing with a group that claims to have the sole legitimate use of force.

agree with you 100%.

If he aimed his gun at the officer...

IF that is true, then, the officer would have no choice but to defend himself.

If the officer tried to disarm him...

IF that is true, then, the gentleman would have no choice but to defend himself.

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According to this article the

According to this article the cops name was Jonathan Whitted and there is video of the event. If the cops refuse to show the video then we know what really happened.

http://www.kvue.com/news/APD-investigating-officer-involved-...

Its sad and confusing

I would not have my gun on my person when the police arrived if they told me to be disarmed when they arrived after I called them to report an shooting incident. I dont understand that decision. Nor do I understand the decision of the officer to use a high force method to disarm an old man with a holstered gun. Was he charged with a crime at some point?

I just don't understand this compliance mindset

Would you walk willingly into the cattle car too?

What right does the dispatcher have, who has no legal knowledge or authority, to tell you to disarm yourself?

Who is the officer to ask you to disarm yourself (when he requires he be armed on your property), when he has come at your request?

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"Officers asked dispatchers

"Officers asked dispatchers to call Schaefer back and tell him to put his gun in the house before officers arrived. He refused, Acevedo said, and he refused again when officer Jonathan Whitted got to the residence and asked Schaefer to hand over the pistol he saw tucked in his waistband.

When Whitted went to take the gun, Schaefer pulled it out and aimed it at the officer, Acevedo said. Whitted then shot and killed Schaefer."

This is alarming. Can people walk into police departments or up to cops and demand they hand over their guns? What would happen if someone reached for a cops gun?

It is a felony to touch a

It is a felony to touch a cops gun

"went to take the gun"

..."went to take the gun". is an aggressive illegal action and a threat of violence.

If we don't rally around this one, they'll implement on a wider scale.

estanislao

This is what Antonio was

This is what Antonio was talking to the cops about in the video:

http://www.dailypaul.com/276952/youre-a-fcking-coward-man-te...

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Just my opinion

I think what probably happened is the cop was frazzled that this lowly citizen would dare usurp his glorious authority bestowed upon him by the king to command the commoners.

So when the gentlemen refused to disarm the cop pulled his gun and reached for the elderly gentleman's gun. Which is any situation would be considered a threat of death, and deserving of lethal force in self defense.

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The cop's actions...

remind me of a recent quote here on DP: "You're an F-ing COWARD!!"

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If they can charge what's his name

For killing Trayvon, then they can surely charge this cop with murder too. The prosecutor needs to file charges and let the facts come out in court.

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He Shoots a Dog

...and then calls the police to "report" it? Idiot.

The Guy was in his 70's he

The Guy was in his 70's he probably thought the world was still like when he was in his 30's or 40's. The fucking cop is lying...

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He probably still thought the

He probably still thought the cops were the good guys like on the tv shows

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Shoot to kill.

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There is no way I believe

There is no way I believe this guy pointed his gun at the officer. This cop is just another pos murderer with a badge. Too bad there are no real police in this country that will arrest this murderer. Bunch of coward grown up hall monitors.

you really don't believe the cop do you

there was no way a gun instructor is aiming at a cop - C'mon

He does not have to give up his gun that was in his belt, he was on his property.

The freaking cop is a liar

I'm guessing

If or when the tape is released you'll see something like this.

Cop demands surrender of the gun, old man refuses, cop half draws his gun and tries to take the old mans gun, old man instinctively moves his hand toward his waistband while resisting the officer, officer takes this as an agressive action, draws and fires.

At any rate I think when the fact come out it'll be clear that the cop instigated, was entirely in the wrong, and then performed second degree murder.

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half draws my ass. As soon as

half draws my ass. As soon as the cop saw a gun tucked in his belt he would draw and aim his weapon, and then fire it if the guy made the slightest movement to touch his gun.

Completely bullshit by the

Completely bullshit by the officers insisting he hand over his legally owned gun on his own property, they forced the whole situation to happen by doing that. But the headline you gave this is false. It was not MERELY for not handing over his pistol, it was because he pointed his gun at them that triggered the shooting.

What possible reason would he

What possible reason would he have for pointing his gun at the police? What do you think the cop is going to say " I shot him down like a dog because he had the audacity to not obey orders instantly.

You can theorize whatever you

You can theorize whatever you want, but without any evidence or facts to back it up with you don't have anything. I just don't see the need to exaggerate or spin a story from hunches or personal opinions based on insufficient knowledge. The story says that he pulled it out and aimed it at them as one of the officers went to take his pistol, so I would say there is your reason right there. He wasn't going to let them take it as he had told them. I personally like to stick to the facts and what I can prove or have evidence to make a case for before I make claims like that.

The story says that the cop

The story says that the cop who shot him claimed he pointed his gun at the cop. Some statement from a cop is far from a fact.

Never said it was, just said

Never said it was, just said there were no facts or evidence to proclaim the cop was a lying murderer. I don't get why you even wanna argue this. You can believe what you want and make any claims that you want, that's your prerogative.

Well - we wouldn't have to speculate

if the dashboard cam video was just showed.

Seems to me, thats your answer right there.

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