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Horse Slaughter LEGALIZING Legislation in Oklahoma

Did you know that the Oklahoma House and Senate both passed bills ending a ban on slaughtering horses last week? This is garbage!

http://www.standardexcellence.net/2013/03/horse-manure/

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national treasure

Our wild horses are a national treasure and they have endured many assaults on their very existence.

Round them up and then go ahead and think about rounding up the black bear, river otter, **insert your favorite animal in the wild** and put them on what is generally a very cruel road to the slaughter house.

They think wild horses are easy because they can herd them with helicopters.. humans suck.

What COUNTRY wants to buy this meat for consumption? Let them eat cake!

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Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

Mother Nature

Just keep in mind, mother nature is not always beautiful and kind. She can be wicked and painful too. Mother nature always kills.

If left alone, mother nature will always balance things. People interfere with nature in negative ways affecting the entire system.

In the case of some game populations, If they over populate, there will be suffering. The entire herd can suffer health wise if resources are too low for the population. Mother nature will balance the overpopulation with much suffering such as starvation and creul battles for food.

Some say leave it be, and leave it to mother nature. Some think intervention is for the good.

Game management has been in place in the nation for a very long time and yielded good results in many places. There were times when the impact of herd animal hunting coupled with natural predator hunting, depleted game populations. Game relocation and predator control (execution) was needed to put things in balance; of course it was human action that caused the imbalance. Without intervention we might not have the deer/elk populations we have now in America.

Am just sayin' it's good to be compassionate towards animals, but like it or not, we have a responsibility to manage the impact that human civilization has upon them. In the case of an overpopulation of horses, mother nature will reduce their numbers but through a long painful death by starvation and the slow painful death of wounds from fighting...meanwhile the entire herd may become weary and unhealthy.

Like it or not, the impact human civilization has on nature is real and it is our responsiblity to do what we can to keep animal populations healthy as best we can. Can't live in some euphoric world where all is rosey. Or, yeah, out of "compassion" for the horses....leave them alone and let them overpulate and allow mother nature to do the depopulation needed.........but I'm tellin' you, the reality is that mother nature is not near as kind as a high powered rifle when it comes to depopulating. It's kind of like putting a dog down that has been injured, will die anyways and is suffering...however sad, difficult, or painful, it's the right thing to do. It would irrational and cruel to keep the dog alive under those circumstances out of "compassion".

I don't believe this is just

I don't believe this is just about killing wild mustangs. There are many more domesticated horses in this country than wild ones. There is no legitimate reason why people should not be allowed access to horse meat for food. I realize many horse owners become attached and even love their horses but they have no right to try and restrict the rest of the people from eating horse meat if they choose to. If you do not believe we should have the freedom to choose our own food you may be at the wrong site.

You took the words right out of my mouth...

...besides, the post-er of this thread shouldn't knock it 'til they've tried it. I ate horse on numerous occasions when living in France, where it's sold in the supermarket right next to the pork, lamb, and beef.

how did you like it? I heard

how did you like it? I heard that it is very lean yet still tender.

here is a good article

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/325398

about how the blm wants the horses out of there for typically nefarious
reasons. none of them good for us or the wild horse.

and.. weren't they just talking about making it illegal to photograph or film these sort of slaughter houses? Why prevent documentation if everything is humane and on the up and up? go figure..

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

Who are you...

to dictate what animals I can or can't eat, or what I may do with my own property?

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

who the F%#*

are you to say wild mustangs should be wiped off the face of the earth?

I don't give a damn what Fing food you eat. It's not about your freedom to eat food. Pathetic.

What a strawman...

Nobody said anything about wanting to wipe out the global population if wild mustangs.

I and every other human being have the right to consume any animal I want to as long as it is my property.

It doesn't matter if its a housecat or an elephant, you have no right to use force to prevent someone from doing what they want with their own property.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

talk about strawman

who said anything about an animal on your private property?

These wild mustangs are on public land, they are all of our horses. Meaning I have as just right to them as anyone else. Not trying to be mean, just aggravated because I'm Definately not trying to grab anybody's personal liberties.

I love freaking steak, chicken etc., not Cat meat sorry, leave that for China and I am among the biggest property rights advocates in my area.

just check into it here:

http://wildhorsepreservation.org/

Did you even bother reading the article?

It's about legalizing the private sale of horsemeat and slaughter of horses.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Another Reason Slaughtering Mustangs Is Unsound

Before one decides it's a good idea to pull the trigger on Wild Mustangs, something fundamental had better be considered; the destruction of the gene pool. The principle is one that is deeply important; Don't depend on derivative stock. It is inherently weaker than the original. The risk is eventual loss of everything.

Some of you are familiar with what has been going on in the crop seed world. The big corporations manipulate original seed to produce hybrids with better yield potential and/or resistance to disease, pests or weeds. Problem is, the lower genetic count increases the risk of decimation due to the loss of the coping ability. Sure. The seed companies have their legally-protected seed, and charge one helluva price for it. But, eventually the chickens come home to roost. Other, possibly more serious problems can result. Yet, another national treasure lost to expediency, greed and the insanity of unchecked power.

With a degree in Vertebrate Zoology... I can tell you, the elimination of the Wild Horse is a risk we mere humans dare not take.

Fed-Up

There ought to be a moratorium on the

slaughter of ALL ANIMALS. Pretty much exactly what your presenting,
for precisely the same reason, depletion...We cannot continue to consume, consume, consume every now and then there has to be a CONSUMPTION BREAK. It reminds me of the majority of people I see dining at a restaraunt being morbidly obese..it's just sickness.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

thank you for a unique and intelligent . . .

response. I was just going to bump this OP, and then I thought I could respond to someone and get the same effect.

This concerns me for a variety of reasons, and I hadn't considered the reason you offer. I should know better; my father was a professor in your field--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

What happened to promoting Liberty?

What is this garbage. Daily paul is supposed to be a site that promotes liberty. Killing your own horses should be legal. It's a part of the idea of private property rights. If you own a horse, or any other animal for that matter, you should be allowed to do whatever you want with it whether that be feed, breed, ride, kill, or eat it. Your horse is your private property and it is none of the government's business what you do with it. Damn sometimes I see topics like this on here and I wonder if we've forgotten everything Dr. Paul taught us about liberty. It's like we don't care about liberty, we just want to use the machinery of the state to mold society to our vision just like any other political movement out there.

Animals

Any other animal? You mean leopards, bald eagles, polar bears, and such?

I don't mean that so much argumentatively, just to explain my perspective. I understand the property rights principle, and don't let me make anyone think for a second I'm not a defender of that.

For me the difference is that we're talking about living creatures, not plants, not dirt. I don't think animals should be killed needlessly, so that naturally weighs in on my political views.

Anyhow, like you said, back to promoting liberty!

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It's about wild free roaming horses

Not your own horse.

The BLM is killing all the wild mustang horses or sending them to Oklahoma to get slaughtered for $25 a head and then sent to Mexico.

Eat your dog, eat your cat or your own horse, but Liberty means not killing what belongs to all of us in this country.

Why not chop down all the giant seqouias, why not kill every bald eagles, why not dump mercury in every lake and river - there is no freaking liberty in that.

I wish I had my grandfather's 'tack'--

I think I can remember how to saddle and bridle a horse, but it's been a long time--

Grandpa uses his horses; he treated them well, and he let them play, too, but he used them. He let them have the dignity of working.

If I had some land, I would take some of those extra horses and use them--

let them enjoy being useful--

and I would treat them as my grandfather treated his horses--with respect and gentleness, but he let them have pride in their work, too.

This is all so sad--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

well, priorities have gone awry--

it used to be that if a person had a horse or two (riding or draft) and some pasture . . . he/she could be fairly independent--

horses were so important as work animals--

and for transportation. Now *we* have all these rusting cars and pot-holed roads in this depressing/depressed place--

and horses will be slaughtered for dog food.

The problem began when "people" began to keep horses for prestige, rather than as animals for transportation and work.

In more 'prosperous' times it was considered 'tony' to have horses. I think there may come a time, again, when having a horse could be considered an advantage, if there was pasture to feed the horse; it takes a lot to feed one horse.

So, slaughtering horses, when the gasoline prices go up and the roads are in bad repair--

maybe isn't such a wise idea after all.

I have mixed feelings about this; I think it's unwise to take an animal that was so important for so many centuries for transportation and work and treat it like food--

Those who are wise might fix up an old wagon or some horse-drawn farm machines--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

When the government

comes after your guns, they withhold fuel from you, block off traditional roads and highways.

You might just need those wild horses.

glad you understand what I am saying--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Good, now people that can't

Good, now people that can't afford to feed their horses can finally get rid of them. The ban on horse slaughter has been a big cause for so called animal abuse, because their owners can't afford to feed them, and can't sell them because of the 'inflated' horse supply.

Too many people bought too many horses as a . . .

luxury item; horses should be used for what they are well suited for--

transportation/draft.

It's sad that so many people have forgotten how much horses did for 'man' in the past--

they aren't just toys.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

It's sad

It is sad to me that a downturn in the economy is resulting in an increase of killing animals. I'm not saying 100% that the LAW should allow it, but it still sickens me that we're even dealing with this.

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I am also appalled.

"The Bureau of Land Management is removing our wild horses from their federally protected Herd Management Areas, then leasing the same land for $2 an acre for oil and gas lease sales, or permitting new mining and mining expansions to foreign owned companies. I think the wild horses are like the canary in the coal mine. As go these American icons that stand as symbols of our freedom, so goes our freedom." http://www.windwildhorse.com/windblog/2012/10/29/agenda-21-a...

This is all about federal land grabs.

Under communism there is no private ownership of land; all state owned. Nor will you own a house under Agenda 21, because privately owned homes are not sustainable. It will be stack em and pack em as it was/is in Russia. http://robertamsterdam.com/2013/02/russias-housing-crisis-a-...

and this is how well the Russian government maintains the housing. Socialism at work folks.
http://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2013/02/01_e_4949913.shtml

I'm reading what you are saying, and . . .

I got rid of your downvote. Those who are applauding slaughtering horses and using them for dogfood . . .

are probably driving automobiles and haven't used horses for transportation or for farming.

This society/culture has gotten its priorities out of focus. Horses have always been a benefit to 'man', not a liability. Turning them into toys for the 'rich and famous' or those who aspire to be has been an unkindness--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thank you.

I find the lack of respect for horses unsettling. They have been dear friends to many, like pets, and they are transportation as you have pointed out. Hate to think of what flesh eaters will resort to in hard times if they have this attitude to horses. China breeds dogs and cats for food. N Korea are eating children; cannibalism.

How is this bad? We slaughter

How is this bad? We slaughter cows/pigs etc all the time. What makes horses special?

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What makes horses special

I'm not a PETA person or anything, but I do believe in respecting nature and animals. I'm not calling anyone a barbarian or anything, but I don't know of anyone advocating the slaughter of tigers, panda bears, killer whales, or Tucan Sam, either.

Is that seriously what ranchers do with horses? Just kill off the unwanted animals? Maybe I don't get around enough...

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