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The Daily Paul Is NOT What It Used To Be; There Is NO Interest In Activism Or Reclaiming Our Republic.

1. Little to no Activism. When I and/or others ask for help [and take the time to create/publish material], it is more than typically ignored. There is much banter, but little Activism and/or Bumps to spread the messages and keep the momentum moving forward.

2. DailyPaul will typically front page articles (news, gossip, fun, etc.) but not material related to Activism and/or Public Events.

3. You scream that Ron Paul was ignored, but when the opportunity arises for you to be heard and make a difference, little/no participation is acted upon.

I am disappointed with many of you who talk a good game, but do little to make a difference :-(

You can disagree or vote me down, but it means nothing, I am stating it as I witness it.

Edit: Here is a perfect start http://www.dailypaul.com/277071/un-small-arms-treaty-peititi...



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To Do List for March -- March Manifesto

Plan of Action
Many have waited for the system to collapse under its own weight, but it's clear that it can be sustained indefinitely by central banks and governments through the manipulation of currencies and markets. For this reason it's incumbent upon conscious people to act in a coordinated manner to break the bankers stranglehold on society. Beginning March 20, 2013 and lasting through the last day of spring, June 21, 2013, the following three actions will be carried out collectively. . .
www.marchmanifesto.com

whole heartedly agree

I sense the regression as well.

donvino

Hmm..

Activism isn't the only thing I come to DP for (have been here about
a year and a half now) but I do feel some of your frustration on points
1 and 2.

I have to admit that it's easy - given the amount of material and
number of posts and the tangents it's possible to go off
exploring on- to end up doing a lot of reading and commenting
and ultimately end up doing little acting where/when it counts.

So, I have personally resolved to bump up the action quotient
in how I spend my own time..

I wonder if there is some way to streamline the DP process in
some way that makes time sensitive activist topics more obvious/
readily accessible? Maybe reserving part of the front page (say one
or two articles) specifically for activist topics?

I try not to crank out an excessive number of posts and can live
with most of them sinking without much of a trace, but it is
frustrating to have little or no response to something that is
important, time-sensitive and not a duplication of other posts.
I never know if this is due to lack of interest, bad writing/presentation
on my part or the thread simply never having been seen in the first place.

For example:

http://www.dailypaul.com/277447/heads-up-from-goa-bi-partisa...

Maybe they heard you.

This site has been going crazy the last few days with great content.

Maybe it was the filibuster (did not know that word a few days ago) but the Daily Paul is pumping out good vibes again.

Just renewed my subscription and feel good in the knowledge that in addition to my sometimes rambling I am helping the DP stay on its feet.

Whatever has happened just keep doing it.

Could stay on here all day but I have a girlfriend who I should probably devote time to as well.

:)

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Are we going to look at history or are we going to try to re-

create the wheel here?

Can we say (out loud) that every president, including Washington-Adams-Jefferson, and EVERY single congressman-senator (save Ron Paul) have CIRCUMVENTED the Constitution?

Knowing that that is the truth are we "Constitutionalists" and why?

"We" are Constitutionalists even though every president from Washington to Obama has in some major way circumvented the Constitutional authority afforded the President?

Really that's our umbrella?

There has never been a Misesian-Liberty -- anywhere in the world, not even close, ever in all human history.

So why do we "harken back" to times of slavery to show people (not women, blacks, indians -- not 70% of society) that we were once "frer" (who is this "we") -- most of our ancestors were indentured, powerless, dispossessed, or enslaved. If you count your women.

Hell most poor white people in 1790 could not vote.

Why can't we make Zero-Harking-Back arguments for Misesian-Liberty today?

We don't need a party -- We don't need voting and lobbying (abdication and bribery) as the vehicle (I'm not saying I have the answer, but my problem is getting any kind of traction with a conversation starter).

We wont even discuss how OUR purchasing choices has lead us to our present society -- we are behaving (in political action) like groupists without a powerful lobby -- we actually tried to create a powerful lobby to fight-fire-with-fire (which has never worked once in all human history to produce a Misesian-Styled Free-Market).

Just saying -- We need to get out of politics and find an arena that they CANNOT confiscate or dismantle or hijack.

If 1,000 of us put our heads together day-and-night (like we do blogging political hot-button issues -- to no historic avail) we could come up with a solution by 2014; there's just no way that many innovators would fail.

The Un-Hijackable movement.

Eco-Logical

Rather than political, many people have chosen to take the ecological route. This arena is more fun and productive in my opinion, not to mention more optimistic. Producing one's own energy (solar, etc), housing (cob, straw bale,etc), and food with permaculture is a reasonable way to preserve liberty, however is also being attacked by chemtrails and the ecological impacts that they will cause unless stopped. Is politics the only way to stop them? Wiser people than me may know.

It seems we have people working in all different arenas, just not enough numbers to overpower corporate society.

Ran my diesel on cooking oil for 2 years

My uncle has over 2 million (that's million with an m) miles on his semi with cooking oil based fuel (additive...)

Terminally chill? Some people just can't help it.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

If by cant help it

You mean playing around with language and meaning thus altering the fabric of reality itself, then yes.

Do you have any literature to share on the cooking oil engine? Acquaintances of mine are interested in alternative fuel sources.

biodiesel.infopop.cc

biodiesel.infopop.cc

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

google waste oil to fuel.

google waste oil to fuel. Waste oil is easier to get than veggie oil!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Thank you Ira and Chris!

Thank you Ira and Chris!

Great Points!

To answer the question...."is politics the only way to stop them?" I would say "not according to all human history -- it is the path to assured failure."

Here are the ways we've never obtained a Misesian Free-Market Society:

1) Voting
2) Lobbying
3) Civil War
4) Foreign War
5) Spending-Saving-Investing-Participating in Corporatism
6) Protesting
7) Limiting "Access" to one group or another
8) Lawn Signs and Blimps
9) T-shirts, caps, huge banners
10) Occupy Anything

Numbers 6 - 10 are more about "how we went about it, what arena those tactics were used in, and the end goal of the 'struggle' (which for us was winning an election)" But if you were in a free-society you would not have the time to stop your hustle to engage in end-in-force groupist tactics.

If we had a movement that could not be hijacked and that was more exciting and personally enriching then bitching-blogging-voting-engaging in politics then YES we could over-power the tide.

Actually they'd just come join us -- which has been my argument for a long time -- If 40M of us refused to participate in politics, refused to pay taxes or purchase products from companies who paid taxes in 6 months time they'd do what we wanted.

Imagine that -- we are 6 months from a Misesian Free-Market at any given time -- in fact I bet they wouldn't be able to go 4 months without tax receipts........if we refused to trade in FRNs it would be even faster.

Then the problem is perception

How do we change the perception of the hundreds of millions stuck in corporate society? Dr. Paul would say to set an example by living wisely. I think his recent focus on education is something else to note. Intentional communities are another positive option.

A massive shift would take a massive change, such as a food and water disruption caused by economic instability, but it seems central planners intend to plan their way to the police state. It is all alive around the infrastructure of the city. The ruled and the rulers depend on it. If they can keep it alive they can finish turning it into a prison, if they can't, people get a chance to change their minds and lifestyles.

I wouldn't worry all that much about it happening

The local movement is so much stronger than perceivable from surface research. Local food, water, power, internet, education... they're all headed our way like a runaway freight train. Sure, there's the question still on whether it'll be in time or not, but at least that wheel doesn't have to be re-invented.

And when they come to the forefront market, they will be better in every way, including cost so rapid adoption won't be an issue.

What we need is to create the environment that will best accept them. Promote non-traditional funding methods that circumvent the banking / institutionalized investor systems. Keep pushing on how the banks are causing the tyranny we all live in. Stir that pot. Maybe even join the boycott movement I mentioned below.

6 months! Are you kidding?

It wouldn't take 6 weeks. But I would recommend a couple changes. Instead of targeting taxes, politics and companies that participated in them, why not target those that are manipulating those corrupted systems. We here all know that the banks are behind this so let's target them instead. They've flown under the radar for long enough.

When BoA got hit with a boycott, their stock dropped about 2% in under a week. This is huge, considering their position being so leveraged. Panic ensued and a fix was put in place. This all occurred from less than one million people acting in concert. Just think if the people coordinated to boycott first and then debated to find which target to boycott afterward. The competition alone would scare BoA to death. But just imagine if then 10-20 million people actually did boycott them and made it last for 2 or 5 or 10 weeks. They would be gone. I'm not talking scared, I'm talking history.

Then we begin the debate for the next target with a sense of accomplishment. Even making the top 3 on this new list would scare most companies.

However, aside from the perceived gain we have and the power we feel we have, we have also done something big. By eliminating one of the, say 10, top banks, we have increase the power of all the small banks directly by 11%. Also, the federal reserve now has less power. What happens to both of these factors when we've taken down #2 or #3 or even #5. Would the people stop? Would the small banks take it as an opportunity to provide accountable services in the manner that people wanted? Would this trend not end the fed without any legislative shots fired?

That is a good idea

The question is how to get enough individuals organized in a decentralized manner to participate in such actions.

As I said below... (copied)

If you don't already know then I would say the process should start with the debate for who first.

I would recommend, however, that it be done in an unbiased, non-partisan environment. Stay away from any politics, dividing topics, ideals or 'isms'. Make all news about it sound like each group simply found the movement and started to join in without any alliances.

Perhaps start a web site for just this purpose with no traces to any group. We want membership across the board because it's about the facts leading to the overall 'winner', not who gets credit. By the time the 'contest'(ha!) is over, there will be lots of awareness to shift toward the actual boycott.

The first step may be to define the characteristics of what company we should be looking for. This really should include that the company be vulnerable to such an act. I doubt ones like Monsanto would count until the numbers were there.

And how to get it there?

See my other reply.

Interesting. I like the "starving the machine" tactics as well.

So, who exactly are the "bad" banks?

If you don't already know

If you don't already know then I would say the process should start with the debate for who first.

I would recommend, however, that it be done in an unbiased, non-partisan environment. Stay away from any politics, dividing topics, ideals or 'isms'. Make all news about it sound like each group simply found the movement and started to join in without any alliances.

Perhaps start a web site for just this purpose with no traces to any group. We want membership across the board because it's about the facts leading to the overall 'winner', not who gets credit. By the time the 'contest'(ha!) is over, there will be lots of awareness to shift toward the actual boycott.

The first step may be to define the characteristics of what company we should be looking for. This really should include that the company be vulnerable to such an act. I doubt ones like Monsanto would count until the numbers were there.

no need for activism

No need for activism?

If that were true, why did Jesus Christ tell his disciples to quit their jobs and become fishers of men? And why did many more Christians risk everything, like America's founders, to set people free? Your fatalistic rhetoric only empowers the evildoers. Check out this post, "Rand Paul: One person can make a difference"

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Check out the acitivist ideas...

in these posts:

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1047 (Fraud and the Federal debt)
http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1026 (pdf file: Knowledge is Power)

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Not just Daily Paul

but throughout the constitutional/libertarian/conservative communities. We spend too much time on elections and not enough on education/infiltration and activism. The left does just the opposite. If the Ron Paul Revolutionaries could join forces with the grass roots conservatives to unleash their activism throughout the country we would create an earthquake.

It probably means forgiving some of the people that hurt us in the past and moving on.

I started an organization, Seacoast Common Sense Community Builders to do education and advocacy in our area of the world. We are having a lot of success using local media including television. I'd love to replicate this around the country. The goal is to be mainstream enough to be accepted by average community folks but offer an alternative to government/progressivism.

www.commonsensecommunitybuilders.com

I see the Rand Paul ascension as a new catalyst for activism.

Then get to work starting a

Then get to work starting a national strike.

It's the only peaceful way I can think of to stop the assassinations and gun control. Else, we are all going to get picked off by ourselves.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277235/starting-a-strike-movement-a...

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Why is there less activism at DP?

Irregardless of the differing opinions about Ron Paul, the fact is, he's done more to promote the merits of limited Constitutional government than any politician in my lifetime. And that's what's important to Constitutionalists like me who want a return to the enumerated powers doctrine and the states rights codified in the tenth amendment.

DP management does seem to emphasize chatter over activist solutions and this conflicts with their mission to restore Constitutional government. That's part of the reason I posted "Is Ron Paul an anarchist? I didn't think so but..." in the DP Liberty Forum. I suspected there are many anarchists at DP who hide behind Ron Paul's ideas of limited government. The response to my post proved I was right and may explain the lack of effort to reclaim our Republic. Anarchists want the Republic to fail because they want an end to all government. Is it possible that DP management have anarchist tendencies? Here's the link to my post on anarchists and Ron Paul. http://www.dailypaul.com/276369

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1264 (stand up for your second amendment rights)

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

The DP is exactly what its Users make it

as it meanders, goes up, goes down, turns, churns, burns, accelerates and decelerates, I happily get on and ride the wild train.

There is NOTHING LIKE IT on the web.

Peace

Damn straight, I totally

Damn straight, I totally agree.

Congressman Paul spent over 20 years in Congress as the sole voice of reason defending our rights against hundreds of naysayers, jackasses and malevolent liars, and too many people here can't even spend one year of actual political activity doing real things that really matter. Many don't even care to learn what real political activity is.

Here's a hint: it will entail actually talking to the same people face to face more than once every two years.

It may include going to more than one party meeting every two years, too.

It may also require that you do something that puts your name and address on public record, like running for a party office like precinct person or county delegate.

If the entirety of your "political activity" is griping about how someone involved in real political activity isn't doing it right, you are hurting the cause of liberty, not helping it.

If Rand or Ron are "betraying us", then why don't you step up and run for office and show us how it's done!

I've run for office twice now, though I had no chance of winning in my current district, and I will try again, in a district that I have a better chance with. I hold Republican office, two of them actually, 3 if you count precinct person as well. So I'm not just talking out of my ass, I'm walking it the best I can.

We need more people doing the same.

It's your turn, what will you DO.