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The Daily Paul Is NOT What It Used To Be; There Is NO Interest In Activism Or Reclaiming Our Republic.

1. Little to no Activism. When I and/or others ask for help [and take the time to create/publish material], it is more than typically ignored. There is much banter, but little Activism and/or Bumps to spread the messages and keep the momentum moving forward.

2. DailyPaul will typically front page articles (news, gossip, fun, etc.) but not material related to Activism and/or Public Events.

3. You scream that Ron Paul was ignored, but when the opportunity arises for you to be heard and make a difference, little/no participation is acted upon.

I am disappointed with many of you who talk a good game, but do little to make a difference :-(

You can disagree or vote me down, but it means nothing, I am stating it as I witness it.

Edit: Here is a perfect start http://www.dailypaul.com/277071/un-small-arms-treaty-peititi...

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Well...

let's make it something new and interesting. The old focuses are no longer interesting or useful to the current situations.

New voices. New goals. New focuses.

We can do eet! :D

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

If we don't promote actual change,

then we are all mostly just wasting our time here.

ChristianAnarchist's picture

There is no doubt...

There is no doubt in my mind at least that we are much less active then we used to be. Most of the reason, I think is that we don't have an active election to get excited about. There's a limited about of things that we can do and the things we CAN do are not going to be on any headlines. You can see many instances of liberty advancing with the recording of the thugs in the course of their thuggery, etc. I try to provoke others to think about liberty when I engage them one-on-one.

Beware the cult of "government"...

Active for what? To elect a

Active for what? To elect a ruler? Sign a silly paper that will be laughed at and tossed in the trash? That is not activism. Theres probably been more "activism" now than ever because people are forced to discuss liberty in general rather than promoting candidate xyz who will later stab them in the back if elected.

Cyril's picture

Just sharing my thoughts.

Just sharing my thoughts.

I don't think the Daily Paul is dedicated to activism, no more than it would be dedicated to, say, restoring sound money and precious metals advocacy, or to weird stories, or etc.

I can read from its home page header it is dedicated to restoring Constitutional government in America, which is a huge, gigantic task in the current state of affairs.

IMO, what that means is this:

the Daily Paul is only one out of a few other oasis where we can, for free, or a tiny contribution:

share, educate, update, confront, debate, elaborate on ideas and actions dedicated to that cause. And I believe it serves very well its purpose. While I find a bit silly, for instance, some endless threads about religions or absence thereof or abstract politics, I never called for people to stop posting about those - it is just part of it - of course our points of view are biased by our origins, experiences, interests.

That's liberty - it is only important to remember that ideas, soon or late need to be made tangible thru some sort of actions to demonstrate, verify, or challenge their validity.

I agree with Todd who made the point often: no matter what our domain is, we ought to, eventually, make our beliefs tangible, accessible to the people we think could benefit from them.

We need TO BUILD STUFF that works for and by liberty - just like Michael did years ago.

We need to get liberty working, growing, then working more, then growing more.

Let us become builders of whatever we truly believe and share, for free, or as businesses.

We all believe in honest living, working, and making: let us be inspired and fortunate enough to continue striving there.

We can only unite in core values, but pretty much everything else is up to every single one of us - as individuals or spontaneous, voluntary collectives.

My .02.

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

The DP was created in 2008 or was it '07

Not understanding why people are apathetic is to not understand the difference (in the world) from Facebook (all social networking) influence in 2004 vs today.

We are OVER saturated by media -- and WE are consuming it ourselves at ever-hyper levels.

People would rather use the "like" or "share" button than go outside and sweat-occupy-protest -- plus those activities (in all world history) have not brought us ONE-STEP closer to a Misesian Free-Market.

We are creatures of entertainment now -- from the safety of our own homes.

We play on the internet and watch t.v and perform ever-more-hours of work-life on the computer AND stay connected via PDA-Phone-Tablet if our jobs are not on the computer -- probably 16 hours per day.

If the statistics I've read about people "waking up" to answer text msgs or emails or to check facebook are true we are approaching 20 hours per day of some sort of tech connectivity per day.

Listening to Talk Radio counts as well.

We ARE the Technocrats

We ARE the B.O.R.G

Political activism is inherently immoral

Instead be economic activists.

Don't complain... become part of the action right now! Here...

http://www.dailypaul.com/277082/rand-paul-filibustering-bren...

LET AMERICA KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE SENATE!

Give the man some water! Then let freedom ring!

May the God of our Founders give this statesman strength. The time is ripe. The time is NOW!

Ron Paul has made a great shift in history!

We are seeing this unfold right now!

Call your Senate offices now! Spread the message by any and all means!
Flood American Senators with calls to support Rand!

Let them hear from us now. Faithful Ron Paul supporters can make their existence known once again regardless of differences, as we have a good filibuster for liberty going now in the Senate! Let Rand know he is being supported!

If not us, who?

If not now, when?

If not for this, for what?

If not by this means, then how?

If not right here on Daily Paul, then where?

It is time for the net to do what it does best, and by liberty activists who know how!

This is not a reading of the dictionary, like some Senators!
He says... 'if Obama would change this I wouldn't have to have such a dry mouth, and I've only just started!'

Call your Senate offices now! Flood American Senators with calls to support Rand! Let them hear from us now. Faithful Ron Paul supporters can make their existence known once again regardless of differences, as we have a good filibuster for liberty going now in the Senate!

Let Rand know he is being supported!

Newsflash

Ron Paul didn't win the presidency. I've accepted it. I did my part for that cause.

I learned a lot from Ron Paul and continue to learn from him.

I am an activist in the liberty areas that I believe are most crucial in 2013. These might not be the same issues that YOU think are important to be activist in but hey thats what this whole thing is about, freedom.

So piss off and do your thing.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

There are plenty of us out

There are plenty of us out there actively fighting the fight in various arenas across our nation and probably even the world.

Particularly I know that at the state level there is an amazing amount of activity going on.

Given the reports of successes coming out of other states I can only imagine that things are likely just as energized there.

Not signing online petitions does not equate to no activism just as decreased activist material on Daily Paul does not equate to decreased activism.

It may well be that we are just too busing doing the work elsewhere to hit all the stuff coming through here on the Daily Paul.

You are looking at this the

You are looking at this the wrong way. People need to learn before they take "action." Sites like DP provide the tools to learn. What was learned in 2012? That elections are fraudulent and you might as well assume they are at every level. Why on earth would you petition the UN? You are the one who is spinning wheels.

What can you do that is effective? Start by doing something everyone else is doing which is learning. First off, do and encourage things you know you can control.

Today, someone suggested to "starve the beast." Dont buy corporate products. Dont even "buy local." Talk to your neighbors and trade with them. Avoid the supermarket. Avoid the gas station. Trade eggs for jam from someone who has chickens. Buy real milk from a real farmer. Maybe theres a hunter in your town you can buy meat from.

Talk to your neighbors and promote the lifestyle.

There is no other place that

There is no other place that i know of that is more attuned to the things i want to know about, might not be much now, but i thank for it......the thought of going back to "silence" pre internet would feel like another right that is lost.

Imagine a place we are no longer able to say or post what we will, it may not be activism, but it IS one of its "siblings", yes i hope for more activism, but i will NOT turn my back on those who want freedom but dont know how or if they can help, to me, if you trully feel it, that is enough, i pray we can find one another in this sea of oil

Damn, one thing i NEVER thought i'd be when i grow up, is "scholarly" ),:

PAF Has Spoken

It looks line we can all go home as PAF has voiced his displeasure. If the DP isn't meeting his/her expectations than what is the point?

Dialogue on topics not approved by PAF are so embarrassing.
Resisting tyranny by not consenting to the unconstitutional defacto courts / legislators / executives are not activism if not approved by PAF.
The recent 2nd A protests a week ago are not a activism.
A women being arrested for resisting smart meters is not activism.

All these topics that I read on DP are not about Liberty.

Good thing there are our "betters" like PFA to straighten us out.

Thank you Sir/Madame. I was pretty messed up until your righteous judgement in the form of your post.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

Yes, PAF has spoken.

Discussion is valuable. So is copy/paste from one site [youtube or other] to another, in order to share information and keep it flowing.

However, if everybody here was employed by me...well, not everybody here would be employed by me.

It is not about one man [Ron, Rand, Justin, take your pick] or me. It is helping one another to realize a goal. We may have different approaches, different interests, but a little help now and then can possibly go a long way.

I work very hard outside of this forum in order to correct the corrupt political landscape. I should not have to defend what I do, it should be obvious that I at least try.

You scored a brownie point with Michael. You may pat yourself on the back. However, I will continue to do what I do, because I deeply care about the country that I live in.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Pat myself on the back?

Again thank you. Your response is a good example of how to pat one's self on the back.
Seriously, I wish you all the best in all your endeavors.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

Yes. Pat yourself on the back.

Everybody needs a pat on the back sometimes. It does wonders :-)

Today may possibly be a good day, I am optimistic that some efforts will not go in vain.

RxN3ST1, whether you understand the point of my thread, or not, I wish you peace, and Liberty :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

and I you! peAce

and I you!

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

Michael Nystrom's picture

I enjoyed that rebuttal

Thank you.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

http://www.dailypaul.com/2771

http://www.dailypaul.com/2771

I wouldn't go that far but I

I wouldn't go that far but I do miss many of the oldtimers...

No more from me.

I'm done, elections are rigged, petitions put your name on a list and don't work. Nothing we have done worked, I'm done. We are living a script that the elite have written, I'm done with the dog and pony show.

I don't give a rat's ass what you think about me, I am done.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Michael Nystrom's picture

ha ha ha!

That was a good little tantrum you had, quilting. I enjoyed it.

You're not done. In spite of what you think.

Because you are not your thoughts. You are not your emotions. Isn't that true?

But if it is true, and you are not those things, then what are you?

This is truly the first fundamental and universal question that all humans must ask themselves.

;-)

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Sorry, about my tantrum

I realized that I am NOT Superwoman and I cannot save the world.

What am I? From my research I guess I am either a Sheep or a Goat. I don't like either choice and I don't think there is any other options

I'd rather be a horses ass than either a sheep or a goat. LOL

What am I? A traveler on a journey, witness to two realities.
The reality that is manufactured by the powers that be and the ugly reality that is. It is like walking down the center line of the highway, traffic going in both ways and I must pick a direction are
get run over.

I would rather sit on the side of the road and watch the traffic or cut across and blaze my own trail.

Peace

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Don't be sorry! Like I said, I enjoyed it

A good tantrum every once is a while is therapeutic. Good to clear the head of all that clutter. If you don't clear it out, it just rattles around in there causing problems.

I hope you feel better.

Plus, there is a lot that I agree with in what you said.

I am NOT Superwoman and I cannot save the world.

I agree. I'm DEFINITELY not Superwoman. lol

From my research I guess I am either a Sheep or a Goat. I don't like either choice and I don't think there is any other options

Sweetheart, of course there are other options!!! You can make them up. For example, you could be a Gruffalo.

What am I? A traveler on a journey, witness to two realities.

Absolutely. But - it doesnt' have to be ugly. Gotta go. But more later.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.
Michael Nystrom's picture

I would rather sit on the side of the road and watch the traffic

Absolutely. Do what you feel. There is nothing wrong with that.

After a while, any number of things might happen. There might be a huge accident on that highway, and you'll be called into action. Or someone might pull over, and offer you a lift. Or a UFO might appear from above. Or you might get tired of sitting, and decide to get up, stretch, and walk around. And on your walk, you might meet some others of like mind and form a new club.

The future is wide open.

Waiting is, as the Man from Mars would say. I hope you grok.

(Referencing Stranger in a Strange Land)

Don't let the bastards get you down quilting! You have come so far. Of all the people here, you are closer to true freedom than so many of the people here! Don't give up!

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Activism is great I think

Activism is great I think people are working on their own terms there are no more ron paul rallies or money bomb posts that we can post here but we all still come here for one reason or another to advance liberty, whether its our news outlet or just posts of things that are happening that the news media is not covering.. I get about 85% of my news from DP... DP remains a liberty hub regardless of per say 'activism'.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Your title is hyperbolic and untrue.

There Is NO Interest In Activism Or Reclaiming Our Republic.

Not NO. There is is some. And it goes on. But I think the key now, vs. before, is that everyone is going on about it in their own way, to the best that they can at whatever station in life they're at.

Everyone is at a different station, and all the stations have their own unique challenges.

I respect that the vast majority here are good hearted, hardworking, and sincere. At the same time there is no agreement as to what "everyone" should be doing, as there was before.

Before, we were like Ron Paul's volunteer army. Everyone was on the same page. We kept the door barred to hostile outsiders.

When the shared goal leaves, this kind of behavior arises. The Lament. The lament that "things aren't like they were before." This is a true statement, but it is misleading to turn a simple, inexplicable truth into a lament. That causes unnecessary suffering.

Don't suffer. Don't embrace the past. Look to the future. Look at how the field is assembling. What station in the battle do you want to man?

What is it that moves you to action.

Do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law.

:-)

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Can we at least ALLOW the discussion

of what most of the paths are and see if there's some that might become successful with a little help from the group? I find it odd that that discussion is always shut down. Yes, I do mean always but I don't mean it is done intentionally.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Of course. I didn't shut the conversation down.

I'm participating in it. Am I allowed to participate?

My contribution to the discussion is that the title is hyperbolic and false. It is designed to provoke a reaction, but it is not true.

The whole point of the DP is discussion. Discuss away!

The problem I see with threads like this, and your comment as well is that certain people want to "draft" the group for your own ends. And if the group doesn't go along with the trend du jour, be that Gary Johnson, or Rand Paul or whatever, then whoever is trying to do the drafting goes about making the group wrong.

That's what I see this thread is about. Making others who don't agree with the OP wrong. Making the group wrong.

It is both a criticism, but an actual embodiment of what is being criticized. "Blitching" as Octobox put it: Blogging & bitching.

There are people that will take action and figure out a way to get things done. See Ron Paul.

There are others that won't get things done, but instead of spending their time attempting to make something happen, will blame others. See the OP of this thread.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.