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#StandWithRand: Rand Paul Filibuster Update & Open Thread

Filibuster began at 11:47am ET March 6, 2013
Filibuster ended at 12:40am ET March 7, 2013

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

He quoted Greenwald and even mentioned Luke Rudkowski's question to Gibbs about al-Awlaki's kid.

Now he's saying it's not partisan, and his proof is that he voted for Kerry and Hagel even though he has almost nothing in common with their politics.

This man is playing chess.

Edit to Add: I was inspired to add this quote by the Doctor "Speak up, speak often and don't worry about those that at this point can not understand as they can never un-hear what we tell them." ~ Ron Paul

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he voted no on Brennan. final

he voted no on Brennan. final was 63 yes/34 no. i think they needed 60 to approve? Close one, I bet a lot closer after everyone started emailing/calling/tweeting their senators

On

This day at this time - Rand made a stand! The many other points aside - THANK YOU!

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

Rand quote

Paul, who hasn't ruled out a 2016 presidential bid, said he doesn't consider President Barack Obama is a "bad person," but he said the president is also "not a judge."

"He's a politician," Paul said. "He was elected by a majority, but the majority doesn't get to decide who we execute. We have a process for deciding this. We have courts for deciding this, to allow one man to accuse you in secret, you never get notified you have been accused."

He continued: "Your notification is the buzz of the propellers on the drone as it flies overhead in the seconds before you're killed."

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

I have to hand it to Rand

He made a strong statement that was good for liberty. Although, I think he calculated this action to increase his own political capital. That doesn't really matter, though. It was still a good action to take.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Although, I think he

Although, I think he calculated this action to increase his own political capital.

Yeup, he calculated it so well that he planned way ahead and whore crappy shoes, didn't bring an snacks and failed to take speed to keep himself awake...

He didnt plan or calculate anything other than LIBERTY!

Please....

Filibusters aren't spontaneous.

He hadn't planned for THAT day.

“Well the weird thing is that we didn't really have a plan,” he said. “We showed up this morning thinking [the Brennan] debate was going to be tomorrow... I hadn't planned on it. I didn't wear my most comfortable shoes or anything. I would have worn different shoes."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/rand-paul-filibuster-j...

So, he didn't have his adult diaper or catheter on him yesterday or even made the other preparations he intended to make. It was the timing for which he was not prepared. Of course he, his staff and others were in the last stages of getting ready to do battle on the following day. Capeesh?

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Love the Capeesh!

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In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

Krauthammer says "stroke of political genius", but no planning?

You think Rand just stood up and thought, "what the heck, I guess I'll start a fillibuster" without planning anything?

I give Rand credit. It was a good move. It was a calculated move. Rand is a smart politician. He is not doing anything without considering the political ramifications. He has made it clear he wants to run for president. He is playing nice with the RNC even after the dirty tricks they played on his father. Rand is not operating on emotion.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Have not seen this point discussed

The armed combatant vs. unarmed combatant issue Rand laid out in his filibuster.

Rand is supporting drone use against 'armed combatants'. This would seem to be a very slippery slope to go down, as it is the government itself that will determine who is and who isn't an 'armed combatant'.

Combine this with the new drones which can see if any citizen is armed plus all the gun control legislation coming down the pike and it would seem we are left with the potential for further eroding of civil rights, not protection of them.

You have to add in the fact that Rand is

advocating for a court order, due process, before any such attack can be made. Gotta fight the battles you have chance of winning and forego those that are already lost.... for now.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Get your point, but a court

Get your point, but a court order to kill an American citizen is not in any way 'due process'.

Fighting only battles you have a chance of winning when it comes to the government's right to kill it's own citizens is the perfect path to tyranny. The common ground of compromise on an issue like this is fertile soil for oppression on a grand scale.

I stand corrected.

Still working on the first cup of coffee. What I meant was that Rand is advocating doing everything in accordance with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I still hold that at this point in time, it is wiser to fight the battles we could win (preparing the soil to plant the seeds of Liberty) and wait for the opportunity (rich, fertile soil with healthy seedlings) to fight the grander battles that we would lose and lose quickly and ugly should we fight them at the wrong time. IMO, fighting those losing kind of battles too soon would lead to that "oppression on a grand scale". Don't put the cart in front of the horse and maybe we can have our country and its laws back to where it is supposed to be in the first place. The issue of killing American citizens on a whim is a starting point, or the proverbial horse. The cart, loaded up with the Constitution and Bill of Rights intact will follow. But, that cart has to be packed carefully and securely first.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Appreciate your position, Nonna

and understand there are different battle strategies for different situations.

The way Rand's proposal came across, however, is that suspension of due process - and hence suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - is acceptable in the case of an 'armed combatant' who poses an 'imminent threat'. And that determination will be made by the federal government.

This issue stands apart from other battles in that we are talking about the ultimate in oppressive power here: a government's right to execute it's own citizens.

How can we compromise on that and expect any semblance of liberty to stand a chance?

Try this about due process, Law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCLR-U9fII&sns=tw

I guess I wasn't as foggy brained as I thought I was.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

My answer to your question is that we can't.

Maybe I have a foggy view of what constitutes "an 'armed combatant' who poses an 'imminent threat'". In my mind, I see it as armed people fighting a war on the streets of this nation. If so, I would then have to think that the other side would strike back with all its might. Not saying I like it. Just saying that's how I imagine it.

Then again, what is the definition of an 'imminent threat'? Wouldn't those things have to be worked out before any determination could me made?

Really, Law, we seem to be in agreement. It's just the foggy picture that has me confused (and not enought coffee yet this morning).

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

great twitter read

My former high school coach,

My former high school coach, who is some what of a neo-con TPer, was bashing Rand last weekend about voting for Hagel and how he didn't care about the economy. I linked him his voting record on the sequester and deficit bills in the Senate and the sandy relief bill. And yesterday, he texted me Go Rand Go. this guy hated the mention of anyone named Paul a year ago but now I guess it is sinking in.

Southern Agrarian

Comments at NBC.com, First Read...NEGATIVE

There are about 2000 comments at NBC.com, and about 9 of 10 are negative. Truly, the world has turned inside out. Liberals have become conservative, and Conservatives are fighting for our civil rights. Partisanship is an evil thing.

It's a long way to 2016...but Rand Paul is looking good.

Most people dont even know what day it is

much less what Rand was trying to do

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Sad but true

Sad but true. There are a lot of hopeless and hapless biscuit heads out there.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Heller did join for a short

Heller did join for a short time.

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Rand Paul: Wolf in Sheep's Clothing?

You tell me.

http://cerebralindustrialcomplex.com/articles/2013/3/7/rand-...

"The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else."
-Frederic Bastiat
www.cerebralindustrialcomplex.com

Agreed

Trust me SuburbiaStopPushing, you are the wrong board to push the truth. This place is full of liberty-lite cheerleaders and apologists, the backbone fell out of the daily paul long ago.

“Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.” – Aldous Huxley

Its Official

Rand has inherited and earned by deed the Daily Paul.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

The filibuster was amazing

But no.

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I just watched the first 2 hours of this again.

It was even more impressive the second time. Rand showed them how to run a filibuster.

Question:

Will the 60 vote cloture tomorrow succeed? Imagine a 58-42 vote, and still more debate about this nomination and subject.

Last night, I read the rules

Last night, I read the rules on filibuster out of curiosity. The filibuster didn't used to allow a cloture vote. Can you imagine? Guess who insisted for cloture votes............Woodrow Wilson..........because there was a filibuster on one of his decisions and he didn't want anyone to be able to do it again. I thought that was interesting.

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Thank you Steve. I plan to watch those first 2 hours also. I

missed it as I was at work at the time. Really looking forward to it.

Debbie

Rand Paul 2016, only thing

Rand Paul 2016, only thing missing now is rand using the us constitution to spank these senators! forward!!

Ron Paul 2016