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Eric Holder: 'The President has no authority to use weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil'

Eric Holder: 'The President has no authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil'

The following is the letter sent to Rand Paul by Attorney General Eric Holder:

Dear Senator Paul:

It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: "Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?" The answer to that question is no.

Sincerely,

Eric Holder

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-07/some-advice-america...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/07/obama-admini...

A special thank you to AnCapMercenary for the video link below:


http://youtu.be/Y74dbCvikOg



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This sums up how Holder and Obama answer all questions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd1rXB0rGiE

Prince Charming: You! You can't lie! So tell me puppet... where... is... Shrek?
Holder: Uh. Hmm, well, uh, I don't know where he's not
Prince Charming: You're telling me you don't know where Shrek is?
Holder: It wouldn't be inaccurate to assume that I couldn't exactly not say that it is or isn't almost partially incorrect.
Prince Charming: So you do know where he is!
Holder: On the contrary. I'm possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that in no way with any amount of uncertainty that I undeniably
Prince Charming: Stop it!
Holder: ...do or do not know where he shouldn't probably be, if that indeed wasn't where he isn't. Even if he wasn't at where I knew he was
[Pigs and Gingerbread Man begin singing]
Pinocchio: That'd mean I'd really have to know where he wasn't.

Eric Holder drones on about authority none have.

Eric Holder is Fast & Furious Gunner-Runner in Chief. Armed Mexican Stand-Off @ US / Mexico border. Yet, when asked repetitively about using drones to kill Americans on American soil, he mutters about politeness. Audacity of hope.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Mr. Twain,

I am trying to sort out why Rand Paul has set the stage for it being OK to use drones on American soil as long as the target is an imminent threat or a combatant.

It is not as if a hellfire missile is specific to a single person...how about all the innocent people around the target...on American soil? What about the Patrons in the Boston cafe or in Times Square where an imminent threat might be. It seems to me they might like schools too.

Do you have any words for me? If I am off track, I want to know better, but I currently think Rand Paul has left Pandora's Box wide open.

...

Well? I admire his tenacity. Somewhat bemused by his tact.

Well? [Cock head to the left] Did I say that already? There seems no succinct answer. I best not drone on whilst I accuse E Holder of that affliction.

Senator Dr Rand Paul has my support. No matter what is said or done, there will be many flips & turns of every phrase he makes. Most flips & turns will be made by critics. We are fortunate that Senator Paul is getting to limelight now. He is on stage. He will not be referred to as "Rand the Great" anytime soon. Perhaps never. Most "The Great" suffixes at attached to Imperial Conquest. Cyrus "The Great" & son Darius "The Great"... Phillip "The Great" & son Alexander "The Great."

As dynasties of "The Great" ones develop, folks must suffer. "The Great" Deprecation was a prefix to what was sure to come... The Great War. The Great Society... Imperial grabs, one & all. Simplified, a winner take all. What is referred to in the "Free Press" as "Developed Nations," is more of the same. Some greater than others.

In one of the latter responses to drone questions, Holder, Attorney in Chief, retorted about a strike on "Grand Central Station" (or was it Times Square?). Perhaps mixing gun (long gun?) control with drone (Hell Fire Missile?) control. It is all so absurd.

Rand Paul sought to draw attention to the absurdity without his many opponents suspecting the absurdity would take center stage. Rand up-staged the rapscallions!

Now Rand's opponents are busy slicing & dicing. Most of their bad scripting lands on the cutting room floor.

Yes, you astutely recognize the debate is forming around troubled waters. Right now, Rand on on stage in a big tent. He is getting applause.

Rand has much better script writers & some of the very best wise elders. Rand is a brilliant messenger. His light is shinning. Let us continue to wish him well.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Thank you for your help sir,

I will keep your words in mind. Meanwhile, I think it important to know that they, all of them, are agreeing that it is OK to drop hellfire missiles on American soil as long as a combatant is present and people are happy about it.

I listened to Mr. O'fallen's Shifting Paradigm show, someone called in and said it is time to join the militia. Mr. O'fallen also said that the Missouri government has been taken over by criminals in so many words because no one is stopping the illegal database retainment of private documents by the DOR.

If the government is full of criminals, just who are the victims?

What happens when the criminals have the OK to use drones?

I do hope that you are right about Mr. Rand. I do want to trust someone and believe that someone is taking up for the American people.

Thank you for your time in sending those words of assurance to me.

...

Entrust no one w/ your Intelligence. Too much to lose.

Senator Rand Paul has excellent guidance from wise elders. We should be so lucky.

Rhetoric be damned. Hell Fire is a Weapon of War. A discussion of control is moot. Rand used that horrid missile's name to frame the debate into the absurdity it draws. Missile damage ain't guided. Smart bombs ain't smart. Untold damage done by war, on the pretext of good. Survivors tell war just ain't so. Ain't just.

Regards

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Are protesters considered engaged in combat? How about

when they are within 300 (?) yards of a secret (police) service agent?

How is it that our Attorney General, the principal legal officer who represents a country or a state in legal proceedings and gives legal advice to the government could simply change his legal counsel on national policy and the Bill of Rights with a flippant single word? Worthless words from one of the most powerful terrorists in the world.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Tyrants Who Think Words Without Authority Change Limits.

John Locke explains the limits:

In Full: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/Locke_Civil_Government/lo...

#201. It is a mistake to think this fault is proper only to monarchies. Other forms of government are liable to it as well as that;

for wherever the power that is put in any hands for the government of the people and the preservation of their properties is applied to OTHER ENDS, and made use of to IMPOVERISH, HARRASS, or SUBDUE them to the arbitrary and irregular commands of those that have it, THERE IT PRESENTLY BECOMES TYRANNY,

whether those that thus use it are one or many. Thus we read of the thirty tyrants at Athens, as well as one at Syracuse; and the intolerable dominion of the Decemviri at Rome was nothing better.

#202. Wherever law ends, tyranny begins, if the law be transgressed to another's harm; and whosoever in authority exceeds the power given him by the law, and makes use of the force he has under his command to compass that upon the subject which the law allows not, ceases in that to be a magistrate, and acting without authority may be opposed, as any other man who by force invades the right of another. This is acknowledged in subordinate magistrates.

He that hath authority to seize my person in the street may be opposed as a thief and a robber if he endeavours to break into my house to execute a writ, notwithstanding that I know he has such a warrant and such a legal authority as will empower him to arrest me abroad.

And why this should not hold in the highest, as well as in the most inferior magistrate, I would gladly be informed. Is it reasonable that the eldest brother, because he has the greatest part of his father's estate, should thereby have a right to take away any of his younger brothers' portions? Or that a rich man, who possessed a whole country, should from thence have a right to seize, when he pleased, the cottage and garden of his poor neighbour? The being rightfully possessed of great power and riches, exceedingly beyond the greatest part of the sons of Adam, is so far from being an excuse, much less a reason for rapine and oppression, which the endamaging another without authority is, that it is a great aggravation of it.

For exceeding the bounds of authority is NO MORE A RIGHT in a great than a petty officer, no more justifiable in a king than a constable. But so much the worse in him as that he has more trust put in him, is supposed, from the advantage of education and counsellors, to have better knowledge and less reason to do it, having already a greater share than the rest of his brethren.

# 239: "...That is in short -- not to multiply cases -- in whatsoever he has no authority, there he is no king (No Executive - No Legislative - No Judge), and may be resisted: for wheresoever the authority ceases, the king ceases too, and becomes like other men who have no authority. And these two cases that he instances differ little from those above mentioned, to be destructive to governments, only that he has omitted the principle from which his doctrine flows, and that is the breach of trust in not preserving the >>>FORM of government "AGREED ON", and in not intending the end of government itself, which is the public good and preservation of property. When a king has dethroned himself, and put himself in a state of war with his people, what shall hinder them from prosecuting him who is no king, as they would any other man, who has put himself into a state of war with them,

#227 "...And if those, who by force take away the legislative, are rebels, the legislators themselves, as has been shown, can be no less esteemed so, when they who were set up for the protection and preservation of the people, their liberties and properties shall by force invade and endeavour to take them away; and so they putting themselves into a state of war with those who made them the protectors and guardians of their peace, are properly, and with the greatest aggravation, rebellantes, rebels."

See Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788 further defining those limits in regard to the Constitution - in Full:
http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/americanpatriotpartynewsl...

American Patriot Party.CC
http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc

RichardTaylorAPP - Chair - American Patriot Party.CC

John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

Meaningless words

They'll simply change the words to allow someone else to do the killing. It'll be contracted out to the CIA. We already know how they handle things.

well if...

the whole world is a battlefield then should people ignore these silly anti-gun laws? i mean i know i wouldnt feel safe unarmed in the middle of a warzone... i'd want something like an ar-15.

Well if the whole world is a battlefiled

including US soil, then anyone they deem as an enemy could be targeted.

You've been warned.. They're trying to tell you what they're wanting to do but you people are too stupid to believe it..

30,000 drones flying over US airspace.. 2700 tanks ordered by DHS.. 2 billion bullets as well.. 400 million in "prepper" rounds.. These are the moves of a government preparing for war with it's people.

All of those sucking Rands ass over this are enablers as is He.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I have a new crush.

It could be permanent :-P

http://www.dailypaul.com/277410/publius-huldah

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

How Many Lawyers Dance on the Head of a Pin?

We have their answer.

Who gets to decide what

Who gets to decide what "engaged in combat" means? What's the definition "combat"?

False Security

Who is labeled a Combatant is the real question. Hypothetical If a man sees a Cop raping someone and draws there gun, the cop then draws his gun and the witness fires his gun in defense, the drone is then scrambled and is this considered a "combatant"? Just some food for thought.

This whole thing is merely snuck a new paradigm under our noses.. we arent as afraid because it only mean COMBATANTS but what is COMBATANTS?

And Rand did it:

"This whole thing is merely snuck a new paradigm under our noses.. we arent as afraid because it only mean COMBATANTS but what is COMBATANTS?"

And to think Americans are happy about it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL6OAlErkvI in America?

This basically does not

This basically does not address the real question. What we don't want is for people to be targeted and innocents die as collateral damage. They are saying that if they deem someone a combatant that they can fire a missile at them wherever they are.

But you are not a Constitutionalist...

you are a voluntaryist. And as a voluntaryist, you believe that using drones to kill innocent people is a voluntary decision. How do you propose to stop drone owners from voluntarily killing innocent people? In case you've forgotten your claim to be a voluntaryist, go to page 4 of the comments at the following link.

http://www.dailypaul.com/276369

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Clearly...

you have no idea what Voluntaryism is, nor what the Non-Aggression Principle is.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Arizoona, hows it going?

Same old same old I see.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1264 (Second amendment rights)

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

21 days 14 hours....

21 days 14 hours....

This headline is wrong. The letter did not say that no

Americans world be targeted on US soil. It inferred the president has the right to kill Americans who are engaged in combat. Read it again.

Dear Senator Paul:

It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: "Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?" The answer to that question is no.

Sincerely,

Eric Holder

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

The headline was corrected for accuracy

Thanks BillRow...

Much of the MSM reported the same misinformation.

Thank you emalvini. It's great to be amongst people who value accuracy.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Did anyone notice the...

line above the picture of the video, i.e., "a special thankyou to AnCap Mercenary". AnCap is anarcho-capitalism, a.k.a., anarchy. AnCaps want to destroy all government, including our Republic, and let those with the most anarcho-mercenaries rule the world. Check out this post about anarchists who claim Ron Paul is an anarchist. DP is infested with anarchists hiding behind Ron Paul's idea of limited Constitutional government.

http://www.dailypaul.com/276369

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I'm a Minarchist that leans Anarchist

but I'm favoring the destruction of THIS government right at this moment. THIS government is evil as fuck.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I think your last quote in the footer is...

from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., it's a good one. But in spite of the government oppression endured by African Americans, they did not call for anarchy or minarchism, in fact, Dr. King was inspired by the moral principles embodied in our founding documents.

http://www.standupforyourrights.me
http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

What quote is that?

.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Dude, what is your problem?

Dude, what is your problem? AnCaps do not want to "destroy" government or our Republic. Ron Paul is an AnCap.

Dude, you should get your story straight

In my post "Is Ron Paul an anarchist? I did't think so but...", you claimed to be a voluntaryist (p.4 of the comments) and argued against anarchism. But now you are defending anarchism and saying anarchists don't want an end to all gov't? There's nine pages of comments from anarchists at my post, most of which express hatred for our Republic and call for an end to all "evil" government. Don't take my word on this, click on the link and read what the anarchists had to say.

http://www.dailypaul.com/276369

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)