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Rand Paul's Filibuster: A "Victory" That Changes Nothing

Rand Paul stood before the Senate yesterday to filibuster the nomination of John Brennen as the head of the CIA, using the platform to denounce the illegal and unconstitutional extrajudicial murder of American citizens via drone attacks. It was the first filibuster since 2010, and one of the longest on record – 13+ hours, ending at roughly 1am ET.

As we have just recently learned today, in the end it was a kind-of-sort-of victory, with Attorney General Holder sending Rand Paul a letter today citing that ”It has come to my attention,” the letter states “That you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.”

On the surface that sounds like the White House saying that it won’t kill Americans here (Abroad? Guess that’s still up for debate…). But really, it’s not. Really, nothing has changed. Because this language still exists in internal government memos from the Department of Justice.

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OOPS...

too late. Its already changed things. What are you asleep?

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

Victory as Charted by Google Trends: "Rand Paul"

Huge spike straight upward! Near 100% of news headlines about "Filibuster" included "Rand Paul" world wide this month.

Google Trends 'News Headlines': "Rand Paul"

Date___ Points ____ Googele Trends peaks "Interest over time"
05/2010 43 Rand Paul wins Kentucky Republican Primary
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10/2010 26
11/2010 27 Rand Paul wins Kentucky US Senate Election
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01/12 12
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01/13 11
02/13 10
03/13 100 Rand Paul Filibuster on Senate Floor. A question.
(8 days into March, already doubled his highest previous mark)

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I suppose the only thing the

I suppose the only thing the writer would concede is a victory would be total libertarian utopia.

Naive

To believe this is pointless is very naive. This filibuster at a very minimum will cost some neocons their job. LOL.

Live in Liberty
Tom Rankin

define "combat"

..and under Patriot Act and NDAA, just about anyone could be construed as a "combatant"

Past participles are the worse kind of grammatical torture.

Webster's 1913 Edition: Combat (Page: 281)
Com"bat (? ∨ ?; 277), v. i. [imp. & p. p. Combated; p. pr. & vb. n. Combating.] [F. combattre; pref. com- + battre to beat, fr. L. battuere to strike. See Batter.] To struggle or contend, as with an opposing force; to fight.

To combat with a blind man I disdain. Milton.

After the fall of the republic, the Romans combated only for the choice of masters. Gibbon.

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Near as I can figure combatant would be a struggling blind man.
Perhaps a Roman after the Republican Party was over.

I would rather suffer embouchure than be construed.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

It was in this sense:

Victory occurs when a large enough portion of the 'governed' no longer trust, feel compelled to obey, and realized who the real enemy is.

That was where the victory occurred. More Americans at least now know that their government desires to wage war at home. 'Progressives' have to struggling harder to keep those blinders on. Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly cannot, without confusing audience, bash Rand on this. If they come out and support drone strikes here they will look like losers.

Something did change

When neo-con swine like Rush Limbaugh run for cover behind Rand Paul, something has changed. Millions of citizens are beginning to realize that bipartisan leaders are enemy combatants who pose an imminent threat to our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Rand proved that taking a stand on principle, in spite of the odds against him, can be a force for good in the world. Check out this post, "Rand Paul: One person can make a difference"

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I finally agree with you on something!

Now if you would just quit the see-through shameless self-promotion my spidey-sense would not need to come on every time I see your username.

It's called activism for a reason

What does your spidey sense tell you? Seriously, I'd like to know because the only thing I'm promoting is liberty and justice for all.

Others made similar comments today and referenced DP rules against linking to one's own posts. I'll have to read the rules more closely and if that's the case I'll comply. But it doesn't seem like a very libertarian rule.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Political Theater

Sorry folks, nothing was accomplished.

Where have all the DP'ers been over the past decade? When innocents are killed "over there", either by boots on the ground or targeted drone attacks, they are always classified as "enemy combatants" simply by being near the kill zone at the time of the strike. It's always "their fault". How soon do you forget how things work?

And if anyone thinks this administration will use the term "combat" or "combatant" in it's strictest interpretation, you are most certainly sleeping. We WILL BE combatants for simply disagreeing with their policies and having the temerity to beat them up online.

But hooray for Rand, he scored some major points with his base.

yay

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RON PAUL 2012

Rand helped slow things, but not stop them.

1. Statements from the government are useless.
2. Rand argued for the procedure of drones in the US, not the absolute legality.

Pandora's box has been opened and it can't be closed now. Everything the government does is based on a trickle-down system and if anyone believes the government won't end up using these drones to indiscriminately kill us, they're fools. It's only a matter of time.

It was huge

for the liberty movement and to show these totalitarians that we are awake and aren't going to take their crap. You don't think they paid attention to all the twitter activity? I post Ron, Rand, and other libertarian stuff on my FB page nearly everyday. Most of my family and friends aren't political. Rarely do they thumbs up political posts and never say anything if they do. Well they were giving Rand filibuster posts thumbs up and several of them messaged me asking about Rand and who he was. So what did it change? It changed a whole lot from my perspective.

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

Kind-of-sort-of victory?

He changed the terms of the debate! Shake out of your stupor. It was like a Bill Clinton triangulation maneuver, but with substance, on the side of Liberty. That boy can work some politics!

What exactly did Rand accomplish?

Everyone is claiming that Rand won the argument by forcing an answer from Holder and Obama. Lets not forget Rand asked two questions. Does the president think he has the right to kill American citizens on US soil and the second and most important of all is what is the definitive description of imminent threat.

Holder answered the first question, but not he second.

Now what exactly did Rand accomplish? I know its hard for us to believe that there are so many dumbed down Americans out there that have no idea what this Gov thinks they have the right to do. In reading through the liberal blogs apparently he has been able to wake many of them up. He has also been able to expose how many neocons are in Obama's pocket.

So now what?
We hroketsoe

Credibility with the Fox News

Credibility with the Fox News republicans. I had 3 people text / call me yesterday saying they have new found respect for Rand. He got everyone's attention and made them talk about something the MSM would never bring up.

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I only have one further ? Mr. Ahole I mean Holder

What is your definition of "combat"?

I take that to mean if we resist.... they will not hesitate to bring on the drones.

A win and a loss. A win by making the government respond...

...and a loss because Brennan is no better than having a Hitler running the CIA.

Crazy you say?

Look at his record.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

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Anything won against an established foe is a victory.

Rand, like David, went up against the Obama Goliath, and Rand won. Rand wanted a letter clarifying the use of drones in this country from the administration. That is exactly what Rand got. The perceived mightier adversary, although not vanquished, had his armor chinked in front of all the world to see. A vulnerability was exposed. Rand was the winner, and that is a game changer, IMO.

I've been critical of Rand,

I've been critical of Rand, and I take a more hostile approach to drones in all circumstances where innoncent lives will be lost than he does, but this was a very good move to talk about a lot of critical issues facing our republic. Sure, it's not going to change everything overnight, but there has to be a discussion before change. This will hopefully get that discussion really going.

I completely disagree and I

I completely disagree and I downvoted. I'll leave it at that for now.

All paper money eventually returns to its real intrinsic value, zero. - Voltaire

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I down-voted and disagree completely with the conclusions of

this article.

Debbie

Change is incremental

because it requires a majority of belief. The only thing one can do to impact peaceful change is talk, write, etc. about an issue.

yes and whine snivel and beg.

yes and whine snivel and beg. Don't forget the whining.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

My finest whine

is only available to poor or sniveling beggars intoxicated by its symbolic nature.

yes and whine snivel and beg.

yes and whine snivel and beg. Don't forget the whining.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

It changed something. It

It changed something. It changed the conversation in the news media and among people. It forced the White House to come out and give a definitive answer. It showed who were liberty minded and who were traitors. And Rand got a lot of good attention. That's a start

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

It did change the conversation

indeed, and cemented into the national narrative that it is acceptable to use drones to kill 'certain' Americans on U.S. soil, namely those identified - by the government - as an 'imminent threat' or 'enemy combatant'. And that could include Ron Paul supporters among others, according to the 2009 MIAC report.

Yes, the filibuster did accomplish bringing attention to the issue on a wider scale. It also set up a dangerous slippery slope in that killing of citizens by the government is now understood to be an acceptable reality depending on the circumstances.

That is just not a good thing for liberty.

It's good to recognize the...

obstacles that still remain, but let's also recognize what Rand accomplished. He proved that taking a stand on principle, in spite of the odds against you, has always been a force for good in the world. Check out this post, "Rand Paul: One person can make a difference"

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)