The "Acceptable" Lines Have Been Drawn In the Drone Debate. When is Murder MURDER?

This very issue was decided over 150 years ago in Yick Wo v. Hopkins. A Chinese "subject" of the emperor of China who had lived in San Fran for over 10 years and had NO intention of ever becoming an "American Citizen" fought all the way to the supreme court and it was decided that ALL men have rights and you cannot distinguish between "citizens" and "non-citizens"...

I've been telling people this for years and the O.P has it spot on. Killing ANYONE without due process unless in self-defense is MURDER.

But what Rand did was make a big spark, he lit the debate. I don't think anything is set in stone from what happened. This is only the beginning. Now is the time to make the points you are making and keep the discussion going.

I watched Huffington Post because that is what so many people here read. I don't much like it but I don't like FOX either. Anyway, they had a huge picture of RAND last night and this morning as their headline....in red under it included "Where are the Democrats?" After these stories the headline banner was replaced with pictures of the injured and possibly dead kids from drone strikes overseas. So, the debate is going on that should have gotten attention long ago.

While Rand pressed the question of what happens here in our borders to us, he did this in the context of what tactics we are using with drones overseas. He shone a light on what we are really doing over there and that is being discussed now too. So many people have no idea it is happening. I hope this woke some people up.

Overall, the HP writers have been favorable to Rand's stand and they are now chastising the liberal Dems for not standing with him. This is in itself a HUGE change....this is largely a liberal rag. The commentators aren't as nice...but more support than the past.

Again, I think my Senators for being the only Dem's offering support on this. Wyden took to the senate floor during the filibuster and Merkely tweeted in favor of Rand's proper use of the filibuster and then Merkley voted no on the Brennan appointment.

It's easy for us to say, but it's not so easy for the politicians who've got loyalties with those who profit from drones. One has to make it easy for them.

I saw it at the convention.. a liberty group had their candidates speak, and there was one candidate who would be a huge hit on DP.. if I had a camera, you guys would have loved the speach... but half the audience walked out because what was said offended those who were open to liberty, but loyal to the GOP. To call others murderers or traitors, isn't how we win the innocent under the influence of establishment.

Americans are endowed by their geographical location with certain debatable Rights.

Another question is:

Was the terrorist SUSPECT Anwar al-Aulaqi the only American citizen killed by a drone?

Listen to what is said at 03:53 into the interview below:

http://thehill.com/video/senate/286881-paul-blasts-back-at-m...

Why did Rand let the killing of a 16 year old American kid slide? A citizen from Denver, Colorado, who's only crime was having a SUSPECTED terrorist as a father.

To my knowledge - so far - three American citizens have been killed by drone strikes, the other one was Samir Khan

But as you said, the fact that they are American citizens should be irrelevant.

In truth, technically speaking, we've been hijacked in 1913 by NWO banksters, but 'legally' we've been officially a Police State since FDR signed the War Powers Act/National Emergencies Act in 1933, and EVERY SINGLE POTUS since have annually renewed it.

Yup, not much talked about, but not metaphorically, but LITERALLY we've always lived in an official police state/martial law, since 1933. No really, really/:

On November 19, 1973, the Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency presented Senate Report 93-549 at the first session of the 93rd Congress. The Introduction to the report, an examination of existing War and Emergency Powers Acts, states:

“Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially-proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Harry S. Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Richard M. Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971.”[1]

“These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes.”[2]

“Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.”[3]

“With the melting of the cold war–the developing detente with the Soviet Union and China, the stable truce of over 20 years duration between North and South Korea, and the end of U.S. involvement in the war in Indochina-there is no present need for the United States Government to continue to function under emergency conditions.”

FDR’s Emergency Act has NEVER been rescinded; recently, as predicted, and practiced by every POTUS since FDR, Barack Hussein oBUSHma just renewed it:

State of National Emergency in effect since November 1979

The United States has been in a state of national emergency continuously for over 30 years, since the Carter administration invoked it premised on the “situation in Iran”. In November 2012, President Barack Obama informed Congress that the State of National Emergency in effect since November 14, 1979 will be extended another year.[1] The National Emergencies Act grants various powers to the president during times of emergency,[2] and was intended to prevent a president from declaring a state of emergency of indefinite duration.[3]

To me, yesterday and today were just another act in the theater of the absurd.

Currency collapse is coming, all the while the biggest explosion in technology boom is coinciding with that mess. Graphene/carbon nanotubes, 3D printing, anyone?

Where will all this lead??

How will we all come out? Who knows?

We're in the midst of an epic, epic history in the making.

But I know one thing: develop your own parallel systems of thrival, because the Ruling Class already has.

IMHO, there's no 'fixing' anything. Stock up, but leave a bit of room for beauty and creativity will ya? lol.