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Gotcha! Feinstein: All Vets are Mentally-ill & Gvt should prevent 'em from owning Guns!

DiFi's own words, directly from CSPAN transcript:

if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated [as in any level of PTSD] for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.

Feinstein: All vets are mentally ill and government should prevent them from owning firearms

Kurt Nimmo | Infowars.com | March 7, 2013

During the Senate Judiciary meeting today to markup a potpourri of bills designed to deny the American people their rights under the Second Amendment and disarm them, Senator Dianne Feinstein opposed an amendment to her so-called assault weapons ban legislation that would allow veterans to continue buying firearms the bill would outlaw.

Feinstein basically said all veterans have PTSD and should have their Second Amendment stripped. In response to the amendment, she said the following:

…this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was effect… and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States… that included active military. The problem with expanding this is that you know with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this. So you know I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to — if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.

The comments are included in the C-Span video below.
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Senate-Judiciary-to-Work-on-Ass...

Thankfully, Feinstein’s bill will most certainly be dead on arrival and – for now – the American people (with the exception of Americans unfortunate enough to live in New York state) will have their Second Amendment rights spared.

** It's pretty self-explanatory; despite how hyperbolic the headline may seem, if you read her own words, much like her automatic assumption that all gun owners are somehow all evil, DiFi presumes the same for all non-active military.

So Feinstein's essentially saying that she's assuming all who are not active military, as in ALL veterans, whom she doesn't know personally, are presumed to be mentally ill/suffering from PTSD (regardless of how minor or severe) until she or someone from her ilk determines to be otherwise!

Basically, guilty until proven innocent, just like how all govt tyrants delude.

Nothing new. Her yap is a gift that keeps on giving, just like Biden...without all his bemusing zingers.



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Suggestion to DiFi

If you want to grab the guns of vets, and the guns of law abiding citizens (which is next), I suggest you get your azz out here and start rounding up those guns.

The police where I live aren't suicidal. Since you and the others display signs of wanting to end your lives prematurely, maybe you and the others should check yourselves in for a mental health exam. Good Luck.

A COROLLARY FOR THIS:

I HAVE A COROLLARY FOR THIS:

"ALL GUN GRABBING POLITICIANS ARE TREASONOUS AND NEED TO BE HUNG"

“ANARCHY is the radical notion that other people are not your property.” ~Lysander Spooner

Mentally II

I see that the US will no longer Deploy troops for a second tour because they,the troops,and Mentally Unstable.Recruiters should be made to explain to all applicants that after their time in service they will loose their 2nd Amendment Rights,and will also be considered to be Mentally Unstable.

Fed Up Vet

Feinstein, Dianne. Senator. Post-Dramatic Stress Specialist.

One minute Dianne "Diagnosis" Feinstein on the importance of clips.

No paper clips nor paper-money clips included in her diagnosis or prescription. It was not stated whether or not she self diagnoses.

Filming was preformed before a live Congressional audience.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

19 page brief defends right to bear arms. No gun control.

"This super-lawyer makes the Maryland government look uneducated, superficial and ignorant of the law. Comment if you think he should be nominated to the NRA board of directors." -

Clear history on extortion, deceit, & out right lies. Fees, training, restrictions are for the most part null & void. Been shot down many times. This constitutional scholar & attorney tries cases up the the highest levels across our great land. He knows. He wrote a 19 page brief condensing clear legal scholarship, case, verdicts... that put gun control in its place. Out to pasture. Hopefully spring growth will use the fertilizing aspects of this stink to nourish good health.

Includes court cases concluding that gun control will not stand.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

meekandmild's picture

Every veteran needs to sue her

for slander and title 42 § 1983 lawsuit for Civil action for deprivation of rights.

The More They Tighten Their Grip

This is the problem with statism: it starts with wishful thinking (the ultimate goal is always eternal life), and devolves into a futile effort to plug the loopholes in the resulting ineffective mandate, with red tape.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

TwelveOhOne's picture

Sounds like thermodynamics

Colloquially: you can't win, you can't break even, and you can't quit the game.

Hopefully, liberty is negatively entropic.

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Time to Ignore the federal government....

Everybody's bitching about what the Federal Government is doing.
Shouldn't we be bitching about what our Governor is doing?

Citizens cannot effectively stand up to the Federal Government.
It takes a government entity to fight another government entity.
It is the purpose and function of the State & Local Government to protect its citizens from unconstitutional acts of the Federal Government.
It is going to take the local government to tell the Fed's to kiss off.

If your Governor and local governments are not up to the job, perhaps you should elect some that are.

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Tom Rankin

Feinstein is not too intelligent.

And this will come back in another form because the objective is to prevent resistance to the NWO in America and the world.

The UN wants the world masses disarmed, and all will bend to the will of the NWO.

Intelligence?! Never leave Feinstein w/o it. Leave w/ yours!

Diane Feinstein, Senator Is A Crook And Traitor
Submitted by Mark Twain, 03/08/2013

Feinstein (believe it or not) is head of the congressional Intelligence Committee! Though she deliberately falsified intelligence... (Iraq War drum beater)

She was forced to resign from the military construction appropriations subcommittee.... (Conflicted profiteering)

Entrust no one with your intelligence. Keep it with you at all times. - Mark Twain, 2013.

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They're not

mentally ill when they're active?

Oh, yeah, that's when the 'enemy' is killed to keep us safe over here.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
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"They" are just afraid for TWO REASONS:

1) that we have military soldiers on "our side", not theirs, and that they know how to use weapons & are capable, etc.

2) that if there was civil unrest that things would turn against THEM, because they fear that local police & deputies & any on-duty reservists or military soldiers would all of a sudden not attack their own kind.

I used to live in California, and this woman is demented now. I just don't know what else to do, other than to voice my concerns and keep blabbling to my neighbors, friends, and relatives. My objective is to heighten THEIR paranoid fear of us, in order to reign in the government's extraordinary power, and to reign in these TYRANTS.

But, we cannot get these people out of office. They are backed by too much money & too much fraudulent banksters manipulating and cheating behind the scenes, whether at the ballot boxes OR via BIG MEDIA. So, the only choice is to go around them in creative & energetic ways that even they are shocked at. One ray of hope is the Kim Dotcom guy. Although he's had some questions in his past, he's on the right track regarding Internet privacy concerns. Where he exists, others will pop up, too.

It is quite frustrating to look at these traitors before us.

So tired of it.

So, assume everyone is

So, assume everyone is mentally ill, until our governments are kind enough to inform us when were not, gotcha

How can we criticize mainstream media and

claim we seek the truth when our posters intentionally manipulate the facts.

I am pro guns and despise Democrats, but your title does not reflect what she actually said. You and others (like A. Jones) are in fact manipulating to encite hysteria. A. Jones needs that for his ratings and money, but we?

SHAME!

Agreed!

I'm rather annoyed by this trend myself.

Feinstein is an egocentric meglomaniac

Her statement that PTSD is a new malady exposes how she believes that the world revolves completely around her existence. PTSD or "Shell Shocked" has been around far longer than she cares to acknowledge, it just isn't compatible with her agenda to demonize present day veterans. I'm curious of her plans to deal with veterans if she were to ever succeed with her agenda. Take their weapons but they still possess knowledge of battle ground strategy that would be useful in resisting a tyrannical government. I suppose she could try to have all veterans lobotomized upon discharge from the military, it isn't that far of a stretch from what she is shooting her mouth off about now.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

I REALLY dislike Feinstein for VARIOUS reasons

but, to be fair, from reading the article, I'm having a real hard time agreeing that she "basically" said: "All vets are mentally ill and government should prevent them from owning firearms".

I don't see her saying that. What I do see her saying is that many vets come back with mental issues, and although I HATE to agree with her, if you have mental issues - you should NOT be given a firearm - vet or no vet. Not only are some vets committing suicide, some are killing as well:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xiqrk1_two-iraq-vets-kill-f...

That was just one example as I remember reading about other murder/suicides in the past - with the stress being on "murder". Now death is being inflicted on others - NOT COOL.

Let's not let our dislike of a bill or a person, cloud our judgement. I think this author is trying too hard to read more into this than it really is and some here are letting him steer us due to sheer 2nd amendment passion. Can't believe I'm actually defending this hypocritical bitch!?!

BTW - I'd appreciate some kind of response instead of just being down-voted into oblivion. It's a sad fact that I have to make this request here on the DP out of all places!

Interesting.

So, you don't believe in gun laws, but you believe that certain people should still be prohibited from owning guns.

This is either a fascinating study in multiple personality disorder, or you're communicating very poorly.

I would tend to agree with the basic principle, if an obviously crazy person or someone with a history of violence tries to by a gun I would hope the seller would refuse to provide it.

But if you don't believe in gun laws, there is *no way* to make sure that certain people are not able to get guns. The most you can do is say that you support gun sellers exercising caution and good judgment.

LOL

"This is either a fascinating study in multiple personality disorder, or you're communicating very poorly."

Maybe a little of both - lol.

I'll be the 1st to admit that I am a HORRIBLE writer. However, I've explained myself further down with 2 other posters here (don't know if you've read those).

I don't agree with gun laws, yet I don't agree with handing a firearm to someone that is incapable of using it safely, or as you said, a "crazy" individual. Just as I wouldn't agree with handing car keys over to someone that is so drunk out of their mind that they can barely stand and see straight. I also wouldn't hand a firearm (or car keys) to a completely blind person either - yet there is nothing in the 2nd amendment that mentions blindness, and if we took it further, now I'm discriminating.

And it's a difficult issue for me because I also believe that over half of the people diagnosed with some kind of mental disorder are misdiagnosed. I firmly believe that just like any torturer can make you confess to any crime you didn't commit, any psychiatrist can "FIND" something wrong with you. Then it becomes a slippery slope because once you're on any kind of psychiatric medication, you don't know how that person will react to the drugs.

"I would tend to agree with the basic principle, if an obviously crazy person or someone with a history of violence tries to by a gun I would hope the seller would refuse to provide it."

So playing devil's advocate here; You wouldn't support a law banning the sale of a firearm to someone that has had mental issues since childhood and has a history of violence?

ok...

Shall not be infringed. If I was mentally insane, paralyzed, dismembered, had one good eye, anarchist, a veteran, no drivers license and walked around wearing T-Shirts criticizing government with explicit terms... I am still allowed to possess a firearm. Why? Because I am not a felon and have no history that would make you think I am not a responsible gun owner. Take the pre-crime mentality and flush it with last nights dinner.

Liberty: Too big to fail

ok

Way to answer my question

Sad when you let emotion get in front of brains.

Listen

You said:

"if you have mental issues - you should NOT be given a firearm "

Please find that for me in the constitution.

The right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

If you have a problem with that you and the traitor Senator you agree with come and take them yourselves. Next you'll ban pocket knives from people with alleged mental issues. Welcome to America, I have the right to own a gun, deal with it.

Liberty: Too big to fail

That's right - & I'll duplicate my reply to another member here:

"So now let me get this straight; You would blindly hand out a firearm to ANY American regardless of mental capacity, correct? After all, NO WHERE in the 2nd Amendment did it say anything about NOT giving a weapon to a completely blind, completely armless, or mentally disabled person right? I guess by your better judgement you would have also done exactly what got Chris Kyle killed as well. I won't even mention the school killings."

FOR THE RECORD - I DON'T AGREE WITH GUN LAWS. As a matter of fact, I have NO PROBLEM with a felon owning a gun SURPRISE! But as a comparison, I DO have a problem with giving a blind person a drivers license and putting them behind the wheel. I would also not hand a 5 year old child a firearm without first making sure they could handle it.

Please find in the constitution that I can or can't do the above.

Just because it's not in the Constitution doesn't mean I'm going to hand a firearm over to someone that can not safely handle it and shows signs of violent intent. Just like I wouldn't outlaw matches, but I sure as hell don't agree in giving a box of matches to a pyromaniac.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277396/gotcha-feinstein-all-vets-ar...

Instead of cherry picking one phrase that I said which has already proven to cost innocent lives, why don't you look at everything else I've written and see the "logic" in it? From YOUR "logic", I bet you have no problem with people driving while intoxicated either, huh?

Funny how you start your reply with "Listen" when you can't even do that yourself.

This is almost too easy

Pyromaniacs are labeled as such because they have a history of burning things. The vets they are trying to label as mentally ill have no such history as a criminal.

And yes, I think people should be allowed to drink and drive. Millions do it every day, literally. There is no crime without a victim. Someone that had a beer with dinner then drives home is not committing a crime.

There are plenty of 5 year olds that can responsibly handle a firearm, maybe not in your neck of the woods. It is the responsibility of the parents to handle that issue, not the government. Same as it is the responsibility of an adult to handle a firearm properly. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Lots of drugs are illegal, but people still do it.

You said:
"Just because it's not in the Constitution doesn't mean I'm going to hand a firearm over to someone that can not safely handle it and shows signs of violent intent."

And who deems that person to be incapable of safely handling a firearm? The government? You? Who is going to define violent intent? Government will not do these things properly, nor efficiently. If a person decides to unlawfully use their firearm in an act of violence, here in Texas there's plenty of others around to put a stop to it with their own firearm. You cannot prevent crime, you can only react to it.

Liberty: Too big to fail

You're finding it easy cause you're not paying attention

"And yes, I think people should be allowed to drink and drive. Millions do it every day, literally. There is no crime without a victim. Someone that had a beer with dinner then drives home is not committing a crime."

I'm not talking 1 drink and I'm pretty sure you know, but you're just trying to play extremes here. Fine, I'll clarify, SOMEONE WHO IS SHITFACED DRUNK. Clear enough now?

"There are plenty of 5 year olds that can responsibly handle a firearm, maybe not in your neck of the woods. It is the responsibility of the parents to handle that issue, not the government. Same as it is the responsibility of an adult to handle a firearm properly. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Lots of drugs are illegal, but people still do it."

This is what I ORIGINALLY wrote and which was in the link I provided: "I would also not hand a 5 year old child a firearm without first making sure they could handle it." I've taken the liberty of bolding it for you in the hopes that you'll actually PAY ATTENTION to what I've written this time.

Again you're trying to flip this into an issue by trying to put words in my mouth by saying, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Guess what? The sky's also blue and water is wet. "People kill people" - think about that one the next time you want to put someone who is flat out drunk and can't see straight behind the wheel. Same goes for handing them a firearm.

Can't wait to see what words you'll twist next. Politicians could learn a lot from you with all the demagoguing you've utilized in your replies thus far. Don't think for a moment that it's gone unnoticed.

shall not be infringed

shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed,shall not be infringed and just in case you missed it here shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed,shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed.

I only read you 1st few lines to see you didn't understand shall not be infringed. then I stopped to save my time and teach you shall not be infringed.

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Can you try to be logical without trying to be a smartass?

I'm pretty sure that when things are passed in to law, SPECIALLY in the Colonial days, that they were meant for people of sound mind 99% back then. With all the fluoride, vaccinations, tv programming, school programming, chem-trails that we are constantly bombarded with, and you add to that a VERY stressful situation, it tends to change things WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Facts are facts.

So now let me get this straight; You would blindly hand out a firearm to ANY American regardless of mental capacity, correct? After all, NO WHERE in the 2nd Amendment did it say anything about NOT giving a weapon to a completely blind, completely armless, or mentally disabled person right? I guess by your better judgement you would have also done exactly what got Chris Kyle killed as well. I won't even mention the school killings.

"Shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed, shall not be infringed,shall not be infringed" Really?.....Try being rational

I think there's also something called being a RESPONSIBLE gun owner and a certain amount of gun safety that should be considered. Might want to look into that.

there is NO reason with the whole of all local state and fed lev

level people.

How many times does it take you reading or seeing videos of your rights being taking away before you think dam they are running out of someone else to do it to I just might be next.

I still have nightmares almost nightly from them cocksuckers.

they have ZERO right to take a gun EVEN if you have 20000000 murder counts and felons. END of story!!!!!

You yourself are a felon but I bet you think you should have a gun..
(I bet my life on it that you open up someone's else mail just once in your life time. maybe your dad's or mom's when you were growing up) when it is so easy to become a felon and life it is just as easy for them to say you are not right in the head and your rights are gone.

You want me to think I can fight inside of a corrupt system to show it is corrupt to get my rights that I was born with.

I hate to tell you I been down that road going with a smile on my face for it all to get worked out down at the station for a nice chat. It doesn't get worked out.

You are to SHOT to kill 1st then maybe chat later.

I WILL NEVER BE FUCKING TORTURED AGAIN EVER EVER EVER!!

I do not wish it on anyone but you might just wake up if you went thought with what many many go though every day at the hand of the same people you think are smart enough to judge if you can have your rights you were born with.

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