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4409 - Rand Paul's 13 Hour Publicity Stunt

*VIDEO*

http://youtu.be/qML3xoF8tF0

I imagine I will get a lot of hate mail for this but the truth is the truth.

If you read the description I do give him credit for bringing awareness to the drone problem but Rand is distorting the truth by acting like the President admitted that he cannot drone Americans.

If Rand stood there and advocated NO AMERICAN could be droned to death and the Administration agreed then I would have mad respect but that was not the case. He quit for political capital PERIOD.

I am just a messenger.

I say Filibuster FAIL because he did not accomplish what I believe he was trying too but ran around claiming that he did.

Let me say I think Rand Paul is doing a good job and I like him but that does not give one a free pass to compromise, lie or distort things in my book. Because perception is reality what he accomplished yesterday was good in some ways but also bad in others.

In my opinion you can't be a half ass “due process patriot” or claim the constitution in a strict way when it’s convenient or politically correct at the moment.

People can be labeled "combatants" by anyone but that does not mean they are waging war on America and allowed to be droned by the President and condoned by Senator Paul. Due process 5th amendment rights do not magically disappear for “American citizen” because he is labeled a “combatant” by the “decider.”

Many people are labeled felons everyday by lying prosecutors and cops but they have the opportunity to free themselves of that government label in court. What if the Prosecutors were giving the authority to drone you?

POSSIBLE COUNTER ARGUMENTS:

The 5th Amendment does state that the government can capture and hold you (American Citizen) during “war-time” or in cases of “public danger” but it does not say is can kill you with a drone.

Very convenient for them if they just claim they are at perpetual war with the American people :)

Article 1 Section 9:
The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall NOT be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
Remember a “Rebellion is an “organized” effort to overthrow the government.

Article 3 Section 3:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Maybe Paul has a grand scheme but I don't think the men in charge are that stupid to not know what that scheme is. I do however appreciate him bringing awareness to the drone problem.

~4409

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sharkhearted's picture

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~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

No, I don't think Rand or Ron are saviors.

Yes, I am praying that those that stand for liberty stay strong and have a safe journey. Our Constitution has been raped and this countries soul has been violated over the course of many decades by the powers that be. I applaud and will support the efforts made by Rand and others as they try to make even a dent in the armor of the enemy.

sharkhearted's picture

Bravo...for your comments.

Your friend,

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

sharkhearted's picture

WARNING.

This thread has been infested with pay-ops idiots trying to use old outdated Soviet tactics of "divide and conquer."

Ignore them...and move on.

HAHA that is my first amendment right.

And of course the right of the ant-liberty leeches on this thread...to downvote me.

Badge of honor.

RAND PAUL TRIUMPHED in this filibuster.

The tide has turned.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Gahhhh...

This thread has been infested with pay-ops idiots trying to use old outdated Soviet tactics of "divide and conquer."

The good ol' "if you're not with us you're against us" argument.

Any difference of opinion is attacked with ad hominems. I'm suddenly a "pay-op." Well, that may be convenient, but it's definitely not true.

I suppose this is "ABSOLUTE truth," amirite?!

sharkhearted's picture

Hmmm.

You seem like one.

You make NO attempt to reason. NONE. ZERO.

It is all adversarial.

Come clean.

Call me. Email me at sharkhearted at gmail and I will give you my number.

Nothing like a man to man face to face (almost) conversation.

No more hiding behind blogs.

I will talk to you. Not afraid of anybody.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Just emailed you.

I typically don't feel the need to prove nonsense to people, but in this case I feel it's harmless. I'll be waiting for your phone number.

sharkhearted's picture

SENT

Sent.

If you call "blocked". I will not answer.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

sharkhearted's picture

4409 and your problem is....

You are a Purist.

Sure, by PRINCIPLE....I AGREE with everything you say.

BUT...by throwing the baby out with the bathwater....you seal your own fate.

Politics....dude....Politics.

Horrible place to be.

But the good doctor...who was schooled WELL by the good doctor's son... (Apple don't fall from that tree)....Rand/Ron).

Shut the f-u-c-k up. Stop whining. Stop these counterproductive posts and coming across like the fucking CIA psy-ops who you so normally oppose.

And start trying to win this war.

Ex-neocon here. I should know.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

sharkhearted's picture

Actually.....

The good thing is...disinformation and misinformation...can not survive reality.

TRUTH...is (usually) not relative.

It is ABSOLUTE.

Inasmuch as I place a glass bottle on the table and wish it to become an aluminum can. ALAS. It won't happen. No matter how much I want to "believe" it to happen. It still is (and will alway forever remain) a glass bottle.

This is IMPORTANT to understand the decades (scores, centuries) of brainwashing and conditioning we have been under.

Rand Paul's filibuster was a PUSH BACK against that. And it was an historic....HISTORIC....triumph.

And anyone who is on the corporate or government disinfo "artist" paycheck DOLE....should be concerned....about their livelihood.

To use an archaic American Liberty expression: "Join...or die." They need to WAKE UP from their brainwashing.

This is The Matrix, dude. And The Hunger Games. And V For Vendetta.

All wrapped up in one.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

What you said there...

...REALLY GOOD!!! Oh, and BTW...my neocon bosses and some co-workers said today that what Rand did was awesome. They said also that they hope he runs for president because he has all their votes! They also said that they cannot stand McCain, he lost to Obama and he needs to retire and get the hell out of the way! Yeah, these aren't the only neocons that seem to have caught some of the truth we all have known for a while! That is GREAT news.

Light, Heat, Shine and Burn

He shined light on Obama, McCain and Graham, the now three stooges (argumentative), who else, Holder, and the nominee? He slit a hole into their armor, how is that bad?

See them scurrying around trying to cover their fannies? They have been exposed, how is that bad? Have you missed that?

I'm amused by it myself; what, no sense of humor?

And, you can only share what you're able to share having constraints of the ability which you possess (standard stuff). Simply put, there is more than one way to look at it (standard stuff). The three stooges above, for the moment, have felt the heat. I'm enjoying their scuffling-about (buns on fire), fun to watch, even for a short time, and who knows for how much longer?

"Peter Gunn"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0F3FT3EHPg

The cult of Rand

is on the loose!

You imagine correctly

The Rand sycophants will be all over you. Honest, critical analysis is unpopular, particularly when it is applied internally or to a would be emperor that is imagined to be "on our side".

But good post nonetheless. Thank you for paying tribute to truth and pointing out the important realities. Thanks for taking the time and making the effort. Hopefully there will be other voices here that remain that will be of a similar bent.

What Rand did was

What Rand did was successfully start a nation wide conversation about our 6th and 14th Amendment rights. I think that more so the reason for his victory dance. He knew he would not win with the administration...they are going to do what they want and they will lie, cheat, steal, and kill. But he was successful in getting his message out and raising a wariness. We will see more of this.

what rand accomplished

yes, yes!
and we need to keep the momentum going! he created the crack in the dam.
rand made this move singlehanded, but that doesn't mean we're
supposed to sit on the sidelines and just watch and grumble.
and what about his introducing the audit the fed bill?
are any commenters to this blog site helping with that?

BMAC

sharkhearted's picture

F_U_C_K you you disinformation specialist

I've got news for you. TRUTH....is absolute....not relative.

Try as much to dsinform as you may/

The truth will ALWAYS win out.

You can not stop it.

Not unlike you can't stop the controlled demolition of a building.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Seriously Dude?

I watched the entire video and read the post twice just to make sure I didn't miss something. Where's the disinformation? And that is NOT a rhetorical question.

Clue me Shark, enlighten me.

I have read many of your comments here, I know you are a fiery guy and I'm cool with that. I'm a bit fiery myself, and provocative, and opinionated, etc, etc. Just be honest bro, go through his comments again and please point out for us where exactly this disinformation is.

This is the first I have heard of this 4409 guy so forgive me if he has said or done something in the past to warrant such hostility, I just don't see it in this particular instance.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

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Oh yeah. SERIOUSLY.

No, its YOUR comments that "warrant such hostility."

The good thing is...disinformation and misinformation...can not survive reality.

TRUTH is not relative.

It is ABSOLUTE.

Inasmuch as I place a glass bottle on the table and wish it to become an aluminum can. ALAS. It won't happen. No matter how much I want to "believe" it to happen.

It is still a glass bottle. This is IMPORTANT to understand the decades (scores, centuries) of brainwashing and conditioning we have been under.

Rand Paul's filibuster was a PUSH BACK against that. And it was an historic....HISTORIC....triumph.

And anyone who is on the corporate or government disinfo "artist" paycheck DOLE....should be concerned....about their livelihood.

To use an archaic American Liberty expression: "Join...or die." They need to WAKE UP from their brainwashing.

This is The Matrix, dude. And The Hunger Games. And V For Vendetta.

All wrapped up in one.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

OK Rambo

I was sincerely interested in where you were coming from, forget I said anything. Keep Hatin' Dude. : )

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

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OH an by the way....

I am a Youtube subscriber to 4409.

Just checked. Have been for a while.

That doesn't make him God.

I LOVE this individual....although I might disagree with him on this point about the good doctor's son.

You are creating conflicts...where they do not exist.

Much like the CIA in most of the third world countries over the past half century.

STOP. Sorry for using the F word on you and jumping the gun. Please stop doing the same...on me.

RALLY the troops. Stop succumbing so sheep-like to the massive Illuminati Hegelian Dialectic that they have been using on us for centuries.

WAKE UP!!!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I asked you to explain your position, that is all.

You chose to rant and rail instead. I never cursed at you, nor have I made any ridiculous accusations. You don't know me. I don't know you. Let's keep it that way. Peace. : )

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

I said below

"Under what circumstances would drone strikes ever be Constitutional on Americans on American soil? The answer is a resounding never."

And in response to your "TRUTH is not relative, it is ABSOLUTE." phrase: Neo-cons' belief of truth about 9/11 is that we were attacked because Muslim extremists hate our religion and our freedom.

I believe the truth is that we were attacked on 9/11 because of blowback.

Christians believe the truth is that God is real and we're all subject to his judgement.

Do you stand by your statement?

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We were NOT attacked because of "blowback"

Making an argument (that I would not disagree with at all!) that blowback exists and that the USA has made more enemies than friends in this half-century War on the Third World"....I have read Chalmers Johnson and I AGREE with him 100%.

But further...we were not "attacked" because of blowback.

It gets scarier.

We were attacked by our OWN government..

(Oh right...you know...the same government that lies and stages things to lead us into most wars.)

THAT government.

Yes I sTAND by EVERYTHING i said (including the foregoing). Go back and re-read.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I don't have to re-read

You missed my point entirely.

Different people have different opinions and they represent those opinions as truth.

For you to represent your opinion as the ultimate, pure truth is no more valid than me or anyone else doing the same.

For instance with 9/11 truthers...you don't have evidence, you have conjecture. I'm more than willing to accept that 9/11 could have been committed by our government, but you don't have absolute proof. So, don't tell me that is "truth."

Answer this: Is it Constitutional to drone strike an American citizen on American soil instead of providing them a fair and speedy trial as defined by the 5th amendment?

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Better question to ask....is it MORAL?

NO... It IS NOT. It is immoral. Everyone...enemy or not...should have a speedy trial.

I give to the organizations that support and try to help Bradley Manning.

Any constitutional law should reflect the Natural Law.

And Natural Law implies rights to life, liberty, happiness, etc....et al.

So a rejection of "legal positivism"....the government brainwashing technique that our rights "come from government."

WRONG. They exist...even your sorry ass rights...in in NATURE.

Even your moral relativism psy-ops breaks down in the event the TRUTH actually comes out.

What happens, my friend (enemy), when suddenly the law of gravity doesn't apply? What do you do then?

What happens, when example about you wanting to believe that the glass bottle on the table...is a tin can?

What happens when it isn't?

What do you do then?

The answer is simple: You either continue to believe the lie; or you come to grips with the truth.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Wait...I don't get it

You're sitting here arguing for Rand. I'm disagreeing with Rand saying the Constitutionality of his specific question to Obama that was answered by Holder is in question.

You dismiss my Constitutionality question and make it a moral issue, which I agree with, but you end up completely railing against your own argument and siding towards mine.

Using drone strikes on American citizens on American soil is both Unconstitutional and immoral. Rand argued for it under the circumstances that they are being combative. Ron would disagree. Judge Napolitano would disagree. I disagree.

The rest of your message is near indistinguishable.

What happens, my friend (enemy), when suddenly the law of gravity doesn't apply? What do you do then?

What the hell are you talking about?!

Are you willing...

...to repeat everything you just said and then some for 13 hours without going to the bathroom and just standing up? When I see you do that, I might give it some thought.=)

Kron, if I thought it would save the Republic

I would smear myself in honey and jump on the nearest ant hill. The Republic is toast, has been for a while. I'm really starting to believe that the Liberty movement is experiencing some group form of cognitive dissonance.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Yeah, maybe some...

...however, I still thought what he did was really good and it brought awareness to many who had no clue. Also, I would rather sit on the side of "yipee" than be on the side of McCain...although he may have a different reason to go "boo" than some...it is still being on the side of "nay". One step forward and looking at something good is a tool of survival. So should we just walk the streets with our hands in the air now surrendering to our doom, or should we keep fighting to keep whatever freedom we do have left for as long as possible? That, my friend, is what I mean.=)
BTW...I love your signature!