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Rand > Ron

Hold a sec. Don't get your balls in an uproar.

*I revere everything about Ron Paul, and in ways that I doubt Rand can ever approach.*

What I mean by my subject heading is this:

When Ron first announced in '07 for the prez campaign, I was licking my chops. A libertarian would be on the national stage for such a campaign for the first time in at least decades, and the 18-month campaign would turn the media establishment and American culture on its head.

Issues like the Income Tax, War on Drugs, size, scope and role of government, etc. would FINALLY get an airing, and there'd be robust debate.

The liberal media would contort in fascinating and entertaining ways in response to a REPUBLICAN calling for an end to the Drug War and to a major scaling back in foreign intervention and military budgets.

The conservative media (such that it exists) would rally behind a TRUE champion of fiscal freedom.

The floodgates would open, hypocrisies revealed, phonies exposed, real debate and discussion commenced. It was to be CRAZY.

But, as we all know, thru two prez campaigns, Ron instead was overtly ignored. In the few instances he wasn't, he was ridiculed and marginalized. There would be no robust debate and discourse. Ron and his message were buried. It wasn't Ron's fault. The corruption and neglect was staggering and frustrating.

Fast forward to '13 and, for reasons I still can't completely wrap my head around, Rand is being treated differently by media, and this week's filibuster and aftermath has contained a greater volume of national, actual genuine debate and discussion on albeit the narrow issue of drones, and related civil liberties, then Ron was able to pull off over his two campaigns.

As a result of the filibuster, left media/politicians are attacking left media/politicians. Right media/politicians are attacking right media/politicians. It's great!

Of course Ron can take credit, perhaps even the lion's share. After all, Ron's '08 campaign is the reason Rand won his seat in '10. Ron *has* tweaked the culture, with no help from the media/political establishment, making the masses more receptive to Rand's message this week.

But my point is that Rand is sitting on a potential to stir the media/political establishment - which is how mass culture is changed - that Ron, for whatever reasons, did not possess.

This was confirmed in a big way this week, and the possibilities from here are endless.

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If Rand did make

into the white house the implications for starting the country on a track that is defined by constitutional limits could be huge. Three Supreme Court judges will be turning 80 around 2016. Not to mention all of the constitutional cabinet member appointments. Yeah a president can't turn it around over night, but he can do a hell of a lot to give it a shove in the right direction. Ron Paul- Secretary of the Treasury!

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

someone made a deal with the devil

that is my explanation for the current media frenzy.

Too bad everyone is today talking all about Rand (and his political future) and not the drones and our foreign policy and this police state we live in. Too bad we aren't talking about how we send off our soldiers us under the auspices of protecting our freedom and spreading those rights to others. Too bad we aren't talking about how we gave up all our freedoms and we send those fighting for their own freedom off to be tortured.

At least we got one day of drone talk before the big switch in the media.

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No one's

stopping you freebe

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

and you will notice

that nobody did stop me, I brought it up once again ;-)


I guess we the people should be working harder as well with making others aware.

One lays the foundation...

...and another builds on it.

Come on people, vote this up

I voted for Ron Paul when he ran for president in 1988. I've been supporting the man for most of my life. I could not believe it when he started getting any attention.

Rand is taking it to the next level. He's got neocon Rush singing his praises. I believe Ron Paul saw what Rand was doing and this was his opportunity to retire. Ron Paul gave his life to this cause, now his son is really following through.

They should both go down in history as real patriots of this country, assuming this country survives. We are also in this fight with them.

Rand is

standing on his father's shoulders.

He chooses his role models wisely!


Interesting statement

Will Rand Paul get more done to restore the constitution, and get back to fiscal sanity then his father? I would say yes right now. During the election I always hated the media trying to say Ron Paul has done nothing. He only passed one of some 200 bills he put forth.

That would have been a great opportunity to hit them with a commercial with some of the his key voting records and at the end saying "maybe Ron paul is not the problem he is the solution".

So back to the point, Rand Paul will be more successful at changing the party from with in then Ron, but none of this would be possible without Ron. Ron Paul single handedly forced the republican establishment to either lose there party or change thier messege(they could not beat Obama with thier message). He shook the establishment in ways no one has ever done. From there Rand has picked up the torch and is going in the right direction. Many of the others following Rand only do so because it is in thier best interest politically. Before Ron that was not the case. Thus Ron Paul is and will always be the first and most faithful patriot of my generation. Be prepared in 2016 for the attacks to start with Rands father and be ready to tell the people the truth that Ron Paul is what the republican message is transforming into. That will in my opinion be the last hurdle for liberty to start taking shape. One more opportunity for media manipulation to occur. Stay strong and on message keep spreading the message.

Its been appalling

to listen to ordinarily sensible sources like the Wall Street Journal be totally dismissive of the targeting of American citizens on American soil for summary execution without possibility of surrender.

At the same time, possibly for the first time, Facebook played an important role in showing just how much ordinary people felt threatened by their own government, bedwetting liberal and pants-in-boots survivalists alike.

Maybe Rand Paul has what it takes to make his father's message more relatable, accessible and less technical.

I think a major factor in what caused Ron to be so often branded as "kooky" is that he would reference things that almost everyone didn't know anything about (Austrian economics, anything about the Federal Reserve), especially journalists. You can't run on that platform in a general election, and it shouldn't be your central argument. It should absolutely be talked about, and legislated, but abolition of the Federal Reserve doesn't get John Q. Public hot under the collar. It should, but it doesn't.

This particular civil liberties discussion is a terrific place to start on the whole liberty issue. Rand Paul, trying to ensure that no American should have to worry about being assassinated by his own government looks nothing but good to pretty much everyone. The sequester is another good opportunity for him to be seen looking reasonable while attacking government decadence and largesse.

Author of Shades of Thomas Paine, a common sense blog with a Libertarian slant.


Also author of Stick it to the Man!



Ron did the heaviest lifting. He was a lone voice for so many years. Ron got the brushfires of freedom burning. Instead of retiring and relaxing with his family, Ron ran for president at age 76. Now that he's retired from congress we keep hearing that he's got a lot more planned. Ron is a true hero - arguably amongst the greatest in American history.

Rand is just starting to make his mark. Don't get me wrong. I hope Rand lives up to his father's remarkable legacy. And that filibuster was quite possibly a turning point for the R3volution (hopefully but we'll see). As of right now, I'm certainly pulling for Rand to be the nominee in 2016 (and please let Peter Schiff be involved in a major way as well!) But Rand has a LONG way to go before he can even hold a candle to his father. Again, Ron was a lone voice in the wilderness. It might not even be possible for Rand to ever live up to Ron's legacy.

More importantly though, it's not about "who's better - father or son". I'm grateful to the entire Paul family.

To the person who down-voted me

I just want to say that I wasn't criticizing Rand. To the contrary. I am very proud of and energized by Rand right now. My comment Rand might never be able to live up to Ron's legacy is simply a testament to how heroic his father is and has been through the decades.

I did not

I did not down vote that post, but I did up vote the one above this :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

For me, Ron's 25 year voting

For me, Ron's 25 year voting record means Ron>Rand for the foreseeable future. I'm not a fan of politicians and Ron Paul was the only one I've ever had any respect for. I see Rand playing the game to become a media darling(atm, but we'll see when election time starts getting closer what happens) but my hopes are still high that Rand will stand with The Constitution, individual liberty, and freedom when he votes.

Well said...agreed!

Ron Paul gets credit for creating the spark.
-He inspired the entire Tea Party movement on Dec 15th 2007.
-He's the only one who made Bernanke's voice crack in fear upon interrogation
-He brought people together from both parties, all races, all ethnicities
-He basically did ALL the ground work

Rand Paul is creating a huge fire from that spark!
-He's kinda stealing the thunder from his father
-But he's doing a great job!
-Ron Paul will be proud

So sure...I go along w/ Rand > Ron

...I mean, I really hope so...otherwise we're all screwed!

Great summary...

And I could rephrase my original post's title to 'Rand's stage > Ron's stage'


your title is perfect.

We actually NEED Rand to be > than Ron. If Rand doesn't surpass Ron then our movement will be a proven fad. : \

Out of everyone in the liberty movement, Rand has the highest position and thus the most powerful megaphone.

All by design

Rand is the chosen one numbskulls. All of the talking heads on the right will have to promote him as Big Gov. fails. He is being positioned as the grand All-American alternative. The Constitutionalist. When all of your property and resources have been destroyed by what is coming under Obama how exactly will Rand Paul's ideas help the working man? Tell me how. I would sincerely like to know.

Chosen One?

Chosen for what exactly? As soon as it was over, the media, including Faux News, began to tear Rand apart. I do not pretend to know the mind or motivations of Senator Paul. On the other hand, I have been listening to and learning from his father for more than 25 years, and it is upon this basis that I give his son the benefit of the doubt.

I believe that Rand Paul's decision to play the political game is largely what sets him apart from his father, and the means whereby he has garnered national attention and the modicum of political power he now enjoys. This understanding leads me to the conclusion that Rand Paul, while well intentioned has positioned himself as little more than a political distraction from the day to day, piece by piece, line by line dismantling of everything that his father labored to hold together.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Whatever you say Archie

Not buying it though

I didn't realize I was selling anything

You seem to be arguing that there is a conspiracy afoot, that Rand Paul is some sort of political Trojan horse. Please clarify your position and where it is exactly that we disagree, and what's with the tone? Thought we were mostly on the same side around here.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Intriguing Headline

It's too bad that so many clearly couldn't be bothered with the actual content of the post.

I agree with much of what was said here. In fact, after a second and a third reading I would have to say I completely concur with the assessment.

I especially appreciate the fact that the OP did not waste my time with ramblings about a potential 2016 Presidential bid for Senator Paul.

When Dr. Paul suddenly and mysteriously abandoned his/our campaign last year, at the high water mark no less, I pointed my energies in a different direction, one which did not include frequent visits to the Daily Paul.

While an active member of the Daily Paul, I stated many times that I believed the Ron Paul campaign would prove to be something of a test for America. Since that time nothing I have seen has given me any reason to believe that I was mistaken.

America failed the test. America and the world are caught in a rapid downward spiral into chaos. Horrific, unprecedented events are on the immediate horizon. The coming destruction is all according to plan of course. As world economies and their associated political systems collapse, the evil forces fomenting the conflict will immediately rush to fill the vacuum of power they themselves have created.

The filibuster was a wonderful thing, I was glued to the C-Span coverage with the rest of you. I sat and watched and prayed as the son of Americas Last Great Statesman made his timely, eloquent, and vigorous defense of Life and Liberty.

As I watched and listened, the dying embers of my patriotism were fanned to life. I felt the long forgotten pride of ownership stirring within me, which was once the cornerstone of my unique American experience. For a dozen hours or so I had allowed myself to hope, and then it was gone.

As the winds of public opinion pulled the Neo-Cons away from the arms of their mistresses, their penthouse cocktail parties, their endless ensembles of sycophants, psychopaths and treacherous whores who populate the who's who lists of D.C.'s political ruling elite, as they one by one filed into line to take their turn in the spotlight in feigned support of perhaps the last remaining man of principle and substance in Washington, I began to realize that it was over.

It occurred to me that I had once again allowed myself to dream.

I am no prophet. But I emphatically assure you, there will be no political solution. Rand Paul will not be the Savior of our Republic. In fact, I have no reason to believe that there will even be an America in 2016, much less an election.

Love him or hate him, no one said it better than Bob Dylan "You got some big dreams baby, but in order to dream you got to still be asleep, when you gonna wake up? When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain?

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα


...thanks for actually reading my original post.

And thanks for your thoughtful post. I agree with every word.

Thank You

for taking the time to sincerely express yourself. I'm a sucker for a well thought out and honest opinion, agreement is just a bonus. : )

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

The son is not the Father.

The son is not the Father.

We're all unique people with our own witness. A son can learn important lessons his father never intended to teach him. If that weren't true, mankind is doomed to live as savages.

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Is this a joke?

Maybe it should have been filed under "humor."

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Rand came from Ron

In more ways than one.

Rand < Ron

Ron Paul is a truly democratic, freedom loving soul. Rand Paul, on the other hand, has many tyrannical tendencies.