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Jacob Hornberger: Rand Paul's Misplaced Celebration

by Jacob G. Hornberger | Future of Freedom Foundation | March 8, 2013

With his 13-hour filibuster of President Obama’s nomination of John Brennan to be CIA director, U.S. Senator Rand Paul has drawn the nation’s attention to the issue of whether President Obama claims the authority to assassinate American citizens here at home, on American soil.

The president, through Attorney General Eric Holder, initially stated that the president could use the military to kill Americans on U.S. soil but only in an “extraordinary circumstance.” Holder emphasized, however, that the president has “no intention of doing so.”

Yesterday, at a daily briefing, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney read a short letter from Holder that’s states as follows:

“Dear Senator Paul: It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no. Sincerely, Eric H. Holder, Jr.”

Senator Paul has construed that statement to mean that Obama is not claiming the authority to assassinate Americans on U.S. soil. “Hooray!” he exclaimed on Fox News, followed by a statement to CNN that he is “quite happy” with Holder’s letter and only wished it hadn’t taken so long to get an answer.

Unfortunately, Paul’s celebration is misplaced. The unequivocal reality is that President Obama, like President Bush before him, does in fact claim the authority to assassinate Americans and anyone else, both here and abroad. This claim follows logically from how they view the so-called war on terrorism.

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I wonder how many of you know the procedures

of picking drone targets overseas.

Anyone know that they have few rules set up for it?

I don't care for this guy but he'll give you a peek into the minds of these evil fucks that you're trusting to conduct drone strokes over here.


They have no rules for doing this overseas. That's the kind of mind that you're releasing here.

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Although he did say," Hooray", he said it almost, sarcastically. He was not happy with the answer either. You're trying to make his reaction fit your agenda, but if people here just watch the Interview where he comments on it, they will hear something pretty different from what you just wrote.

He said it as in "Well it's about time he agrees with me"

Listen to the rest of that comment.

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It depends

What Rand did is either the thin end of the wedge, moving toward freedom or not. we'll see.

Regardless, his critics, right or not, never got this much attention, and has made little progress.

One Person Found Missing

Obama needs to address it directly, not through his, go-between(s).

The CIA answers to the Federal Reserve. Together they run...

...the world.

Un-audited, unsupervised and without a conscience.

I applaud Rand for his efforts.

But will it really stop the rogue (unelected elements) of our government and the central bankers from proceeding as they wish???

I think not.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

"The CIA answers to the Federal Reserve"

Nonsense. They both answer to a more ancient crime syndicate.


an American not engaged in combat on American soil

All depends on what they define as 'combat'.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
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Jacob Hornbergers Future of Freedom Foundation is worth

Checking out as is Foundation for Economic Education

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Valid Points

Jack makes some valid points here and we should consider the real dangers of the Post 9/11 governance. It's a shame that those in D.C. don't have the intestinal fortitude to repeal the "Patriot Act" and all subsequent "Laws" and "Acts" that give massive "Authority" to the Executive.
Rand (whether you like him or not) is on the right track though, by exposing this and other issues in the manner which he is.
This is one of the reasons why we need to support REAL Liberty Candidates when elections come around again, no matter if they run under the banner of the GOP,Libertarian, or another 3rd party.

"Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world...would do this, it would change the earth. "
— William Faulkner

the 9/11 President & the Banker Billionaire TYRANTS

...will do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want.

We are definitely headed in that direction. I like what the author said, especially the following:

"Under our post-9/11 system of government, neither the president nor the military nor the CIA is required to explain, justify, or even acknowledge the assassination.

Senator Paul deserves credit for flushing the president and his minions out into the open. But make no mistake about it: While the president is not currently assassinating Americans on American soil (American citizens Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16-year-old son Abdulrahman were assassinated in Yemen) or even rounding them up and transporting them to concentration camps or military dungeons, as he did with Jose Padilla, the reality is that under our system of government, he now has the power to do so.

As a practical matter, all that Obama needs is a good crisis for him to remove the sword from the sheath. But when that type of sword hangs over a nation, even when it is within the sheath, there is no possible way to consider that a free society. That’s a society whose ruler is wielding powers that characterize the greatest tyrannies in history."

Unless Rand Paul were able to get Section 1021 removed of the NDAA bill, or to push a Bill making drone use illegal in America, but he didn't get that, so we're just left with lip service.

With 1.6 billion hollow point bullets that will rip a person apart, what do you think our government is doing, playing tiddlywinks? The problem is this---it is the President & his minions & banker billionaire supervisors who get to decide WHO is a terrorist, and THAT is root of the problem, just like the author said. Without rules to follow anymore, and by eviscerating the US Constitution, our government has effectively become DESPOT RULERS.

ah . . .

let Rand celebrate. *wink*

After all . . . 13 HOURS! An older man could not have done that (or woman)--

I think spouse and I are going to celebrate tonight, while the world crumbles around us--

cookies!!! (chocolate)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

reminds me of

reminds me of this...

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

The language of the reply from the White House...

...is problematic, indeed. However, I think focusing on this is missing the point. Rand's effort here is a great success in terms of raising the public's awareness of the issue, and getting more support for our point of view in the Capitol. I have no illusions that Rand's effort in itself significantly restrained the power of the federal government in its use of drones, but I am certain that Rand's effort set the stage and dramatically improved our odds of really limiting those powers in the future. This is how politics works. Most of the time, you're not doing anything important in itself, rather you're working on changing perceptions gradually over time so that you can eventually do something really important.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Well said.

Looking at the big picture. We left the Constitution slowly and we will get back to it slowly.

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