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Daylight Savings Time, What is the Logic Behind it?

Daylight savings time begins again March 10, 2013. Why do we need to move ahead the clocks a hour? We are told we will lose a hour of sleep doing this. We set the clocks back a hour in the fall. We will gain a hour of sleep. Either way the clocks going forward or back. We lose no sleep nor gain any sleep. I wonder how did the idea of daylight savings time begin. When I look at it. We save no time at all. What is the logic?

When the clocks go back a hour. The earths rotation does not go back a hour. The sun rises and sets regardless what the time it is. The earth’s orbit around the sun does not change. Life goes on if we roll back the clocks a hour or move ahead a hour. After much time thinking about daylight savings time. I am still trying to find the logic behind daylight savings time.


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Funny thing about logic. It disappeared. Forum link broke.

Now my clock is acting up. It does not want to change.

Not Found. Apologies, but the page you requested could not be found. Perhaps searching will help.

Urgent message to the operating engineer of this railroad time forum:

    Is daylight going to save us or not?

It’s an old tale of a village that bought a fancy clock tower. Sometime after it was installed, a visitor to the town discovered that all the people were sleeping during the day and working at night. When he questioned them about this, they answered, “We have the most unique town in America. After we got our new clock, we began to notice that the sun kept rising earlier and earlier every morning. Finally the daytime hours were dark and the night hours were light. We are petitioning the president for special recognition as the only town in America with such a situation.”

As it turned out, of course, the new clock had been running slower and slower, all because sparrows were roosting inside it. The point? The people of the village were so enamored by their clock that they allowed it to control them instead of the other way around.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

anyone have any idea how to "fight" it?

It's ludicrous.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Leave your clock on Railroad Time... Keep on your schedule.

Hope the trains run on time. Railroad time in our states & territories is standard time. It was adopted by the United States over a century ago as mentioned in replies below.

Daylight Savings Time was an edict to support the war effort... The Great War. The US military utilized an invisible upper hand. Wartime foes saw the tactical advantage of the US attacking an hour early... later.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Like said below, back then it

Like said below, back then it was for saving energy. Today, it doesnt serve any purpose at all except as a tradition simply carried forward for its own sake.
You think someone could get a bill introduced to eliminate it?

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

"Savings" was a sales pitch. It wasted time changing clocks.

Like an infection, a body must fight it off or live with it. I shutter to contemplate the depths of the art of deception.

Rising early 1/2 time each year may be well & good for some. Ben Franklin quipped about how others should rise early & admonished those that did not. Judging from portraits, I surmise cooks nearby arose before Ben himself.

Simply... Nothing was saved by moving clock arms ahead in the Spring & bank in the Fall. A waste.

    Benjamin Franklin ~ With a malevolence which is without parallel in history, he would work all day, and then sit up nights, and let on to be studying algebra by the light of a smoldering fire, so that all other boys might have to do that also, or else have Benjamin Franklin thrown up to them. Not satisfied with these proceedings, he had a fashion of living wholly on bread and water, and studying astronomy at meal time--a thing which has brought affliction to millions of boys since, whose fathers had read Franklin's pernicious biography. - Mark Twain "The Late Benjamin Franklin"

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

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The History of Daylight Saving Time

The Invention of DST

The invention of DST was mainly credited to William Willett in 1905 when he came up with the idea of moving the clocks forward in the summer to take advantage of the daylight in the mornings and the lighter evenings. His proposal suggested moving the clocks 20 minutes forward each of four Sundays in April, and switching them back by the same amount on four Sundays in September.

Willett’s daylight saving plan caught the attention of Robert Pearce who introduced a bill to the House of Commons in February 1908. The first Daylight Saving Bill was drafted in 1909 and presented to Parliament several times and examined by a select committee. However, the bill was opposed by many, especially farmers and thus the bill was never made into a law. Willett died in 1915 without getting the chance to see his idea come to life.


Wrong headed idiots! Twas no invention. Twas a stretch. A lie.

You copied correctly. The source document is a factual statement of a lie. A derivative of a lie. Paucity of invention. By most dictionary definitions, there stands no invention. Moving clock arms to show the wrong time is a waste of time. Idiots advancing clocks ahead of time. Then 6 months later resetting clock back, confessing nothing. Saving nothing.

Now stop a time & think. What in tar nation is the sole purpose of a clock? To make work for some (Timers)? To confound those relying on daily cycles (Farmer & Rancher)? To spring a surprise attack on others (The Great War Makers)?

Why must we stretch & contract time a clock measures? Why must we lie about it? Moving clock arms saves nothing. No daylight is saved. If one wishes to wake up early... Milk their herd early... Shoot their foe early... That is their course. It saves nothing. Their is no such "Daily Light Savings Bank." This idea bandied about springing forward & falling back time is folly. Time is a measure. Some are trying to save it up for later. Richard Wright--Bank of Time interview. But, it is just in the idea stage. No actual accounts funded. We have yet to cross the "Time Suspension Bridge."
Here is perhaps a more relevant clip from the same source which recounts the US involvement in this time travel... Time travelling salesman time-ship.

    Brief History of DST in the United States
    DST caused widespread confusion from 1945 to 1966 for trains, buses and the broadcasting industry in the US because many states and localities were free to choose when and if they would observe DST. Congress decided to end the confusion and establish the Uniform Time Act of 1966 that stated DST would begin on the last Sunday of April and end on the last Sunday of October. However, states still had the ability to be exempt from DST by passing a local ordinance.

    The US Congress extended DST to a period of ten months in 1974 and eight months in 1975, in hopes to save energy following the 1973 oil embargo. The trial period showed that DST saved the equivalent in energy of 10,000 barrels of oil each day, but DST still proved to be controversial. Many complained that the dark winter mornings endangered the lives of children going to school. After the energy crisis was over in 1976, the US changed their DST schedule again to begin on the last Sunday in April. DST was amended again to begin on the first Sunday in April in 1987. Further changes were made after the introduction of the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

Either way, your clip or mine, Daylight Savings Time is as shocking as any electrical charge I have ever suffered. We should take a measure of time. Nary a savings by pretending to retrograde nor prograde a clock. Chronological advancement of time is most suitable.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Sweepstakes Grand Prize: Reset your measure of time & money!

Governments are spendthrifts. They speed every and all amounts they tax.... And more. Our government savings programs operate at a loss. Commissioning all the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Not time nor money... Our government would like us to save time & money, so that they could spend it all over again. Alas, our cupboards are bare.

If we could just imagine how to spend our banked time that we were forced to save over this last century, we too could become spendthrift. We too could spend far in excess of our monetary savings. We just must conger an way to monetize our "Daylight Savings Time Bank." New account limited time off: Enter our sweepstakes drawing for time & money prizes. Grand prize winner will receive 18,300 daylight savings hours! A virtual lifetime of savings!

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whatever the rationale is. A supposed old Indian observation:
"Only a fool would cut a foot off one end of a blanket, so it to the other end and think he has a longer blanket."
Fun fact: Suicide rates jump every year right after daylight savings kicks in.
Farmers HATE it, at least the ones I know. We work by the sun, and we work our runs to town around the chores. Jacking the hours of the businesses we frequent is not helpful. And frankly, the cow wants milked at milking time, she does not care what the clock says.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.


my understanding is that it originally had to do with farming schedules and agriculture in addition to conserving energy.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just well-informed

No. The Great War. The Great War Powers Interceded & Interdicted

Once upon a Railroad schedule, there was a Railroad Standard Time.

But for other's love of war, verily I go ~ "Coal & lamp oil savings time." A call to arms. Railroad standard time was reset to move forward wartime one hour. Get a jump on the poor fellow on the fighting for opposing nations. Little "Free Press" wasted on actual savings... Little press devoted to "Peace Saving Time" or "Saving Grace Time."

Be wary of "Daylight Wasting Time." Here is an example cited in Webster's 1828 definition of "Intercede." Even worse when "Daylight Salvation Time" is interdicted by authorities. Verily I go.

================ Glossary ================
Intercede - verb ~ Webster's 1828 Edition

    2. To mediate; to interpose; to make intercession; to act between parties with a view to reconcile those who differ or contend.

Interdict - verb ~ Webster's 1828 Edition

    1. To forbid; to prohibit. An act of congress interdicted the sailing of vessels from our ports. Our intercourse with foreign nations was interdicted.
    2. To forbid communion; to cut off from the enjoyment of communion with a church. An archbishop may not only excommunicate and interdict his suffragans, but his vicar-general may do the same.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

I believe originally

it was designed to conserve fuel and energy. Setting an hour behind, if everyone turned on their lamps around 8pm, everyone in town started doing it an hour later.

I think Ben Franklin was the one to suggest it, could look it up that way.

Ben Franklin suggested in jest, the French might rise earlier.

Ben Franklin retold many a tale from others. "Early to bed. Early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy & wise."

    About Ben Franklin (aka: Poor Richard): If it had not been for him, with his incendiary "Early to bed and early to rise," and all that sort of foolishness, I wouldn't have been so harried and worried and raked out of bed at such unseemly hours when I was young. The late Franklin was well enough in his way; but it would have looked more dignified in him to have gone on making candles and letting other people get up when they wanted to.
    - Letter from Mark Twain, San Francisco Alta California, July 25, 1869

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul