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EPJ: Neocons Reel In The Ron Paulians

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Who could possibly be better than Rand Paul to deliver the votes needed for the Neocons. What a fortunate situation. Rand, over time, has consistently proved to the Neocons that he's not his Dad and can be trusted. When it comes to foreign policy, he's as flexible as silly putty.

That's like music to Neocon ears.

Then comes the "spontaneous" filibuster.

National Stage...everyone watching for hours on end.

In action (i.e., the only thing that counts) the filibuster accomplished absolutely nothing. But the Neocons we're all cheers (Rubin, Krauthammer, Limbaugh, Beck). Buzzfeed even put together a list of just about every other bad guy that got on board.

Sadly, a large number of Ron Paul supporters took the bait...It proved too hard to resist. You'd have to be for Obama droning you to resist, right?

Yet nothing was done. Brennan was sworn in swiftly the very next day, and The White House gave itself enough leeway to drive a Homeland Security tank through with its "letter".

In other words, the ship is still on course. It just now has a bunch of Ron Paul passengers on board!

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I object to the characterization...

nobody is throwing away their doubts about Rand Paul- we're just cheering him on when he does something good. If Ron had done something similar, he would have been blacked-out by the liberals and skewered by the neocons. The hardest of the neocons are still on Rand's case- but the mainline hosts have had to support the Senator because they knew it would be popular with the Obama-hating partisans.

Levin and Hannity have couched their support somewhat craftily, but Krauthammer was not a fan. Who is being delivered to the neocons?

If you recall, Rand tried to reach out to the left after he won the primary, and he was immediately slapped down by Maddow and all the race-baiters on the left. US Senators need some political cover- and if he had been so willing to say things that offend the sensibilities of mainline conservatives, he never would have made it as far as he has.

What has it earned him? It's too early to say- but I think it's bizarre that there are these snipers who pounce on every opportunity to condemn the man. He's far from perfect, but the most libertarian Senator...ever? In a fairly un-libertarian state- to boot!

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"Terrorism is the war of the poor, while war is the terrorism of

I disagree

I don't think most ron paul people are quite that gullible. I'm no fan of rands spineless fp (especially the vote for sanctions), I still don't trust him, but I thought what he did was awesome. He positioned himself so that no one could disagree. He brought even talk of drones to the propaganda media's stage, and he got a statement from administration that, while has big holes in it, makes it politically harder to operate because it's blatant deception.

i hate that pro sanctions vote...

but it is probably worth noting that he would have lost much of his credibility if he had voted against them. note that the neocon talkers rarely mention that vote, but it would have been a huge issue if he'd voted Nay. Instead, he's a voice for moderation in a party that has only been about bellicosity (besides his dad) for the last decade-plus.

it's sad that in present day America, a politician who would oppose Iran sanctions would be labeled either an isolationist or a pacifist/appeaser. they'll still call him that, just as they did Ron despite his vote for the Afghan war. but the attacks wont be as credible

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"Terrorism is the war of the poor, while war is the terrorism of

Anyone take a look

at Neo's latest comments/threads? SHOCKING he has so many down votes at the DP ;)

Neo, go ahead and throw in the towel, buddy. You won't divide anything here. I was down-vote #57.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Check this out...

It should put Neo in his place.


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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Rand haters hoping we're suddenly zombies?

People are simply going to blindly follow Rand Paul's instructions because his dad is Ron Paul? Or because he's the only libertarian in the Senate?

We're going to vote for LIBERTY, and if Rand Paul is the liberty candidate, we will vote for him. Haters are underground neo-cons pretending to be anti-neocon. Let's try some "reverse psychology".

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

or because there are a bunch of neocons here trying to corral


Maybe Karl spent some of his money to do just that for "Rand"..


Patriot Cell #345,168
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

If Rand would have tried this with Bush Jr....

the exact same neocons praising Rand right now would be nastier with him than either McCain and Graham have been.

The neocons love Rand attacking Obama. But make no mistake, they will NEVER budge on their support for more wars for Israel and on Big Govt. They are neocons and that's what neocons do.

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

I will be watching to see Ron

I will be watching to see Ron Paul's reaction to what Rand is doing and follow his lead. IMO, Rand sold out to the neocons, but we shall see, his true character will surface before the 2016 election and leave no doubt where he stands on the issues dear to us. Actions speak louder than words.

Ron's silence has been deafening...

Except for a vague short statement on the filibuster, Ron has been weirdly silent on his son's activities. Most of Rand's talk and actions other than the filibuster go against Ron's two most important philosophies: sound money and shutting down the empire.

And Rand doesn't seem too eager to yell loudly about sound money and shutting down the empire. Rand wants to pay interest to the criminal banksters and yammer on about how Israel is our bestest ally EVER.

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~


apparently you didn't listen to Ron's interview with Geraldo today. It's easy to accuse him of being silent you box yourself up in a cardboard box all day.

To sum up...

the Geraldo interview:

Ron is proud that Rand
1) stood for 13 hours
2) became an eye doctor
3) is spreading information about the US Govt challenges to civil liberties.


But no comments on Rand's wanting to preserve Israel's aid while reducing aid to Israel's enemies. And Rand saying that Israel settling the West Bank is none of our business when Ron said Israel was breaking international law, committing genocide, running concentration camps, and engaging in ethnic cleansing.

And no comment from Ron on Rand wanting to pay interest on the debt to the banksters as the first step to fiscal reform when Ron says we have no choice but to default on that debt because it is fraudulent and mathematically impossible to pay back.

Ron and Rand disagree on the two most important issues to Ron: ending the empire and a return to sound money. The money counterfeiting allows us to go into debt to "pay" for the wars and Israel is the justification for the wars.

My original assertion stands...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Why is it wierd?

Ron is a patriot 1st if his son were doing his memory and legacy a disservice, I firmly believe Ron would put Rand in his place.

Ron has never pulled his punches...

Rand Paul is every bit his fathers son and this truth will become more and more apparent going forward.

And as it does the attacks from neocon shills will increase exponentially, which of course proves that Rand is having the 'desired effect' that we in the liberty movement expect from our enemies.

Rand bashers = neocon scum.

I think Dr.Paul has been conned by his son personally into the

idea that Rand is "working with the neocons".. One thing about Dr.Paul is he seemingly trusts the people closest to him without reserve.. That's how he got screwed by Jesse Benadick and the ghostwriter on those letters.. He's too trusting sometimes.

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I posted one of those

I posted one of those Facebook pics where it has Obama saying this is what I think I am..shows a pic of superman..ends with this is who I really am shows a picture of George Bush. This is the comment made by my very neo-con, fox loving, go republican whoever you are "friend"

quote-------- I think he's MUCH MUCH worse than Bush. Bush caught hell for wanting to look at certain emails of suspected terrorists. This man wants to kill them with drones, and just because it's his OPINION that they pose a risk. But I hope Rand Paul runs in 2016. I'd vote for him, but I just can't stand his father as president.------ end quote

IMHO This was there plan the whole time..Neo-cons and liberty people have nothing in common..and yet they are united under Rand??? Am not buying it at all...

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

This Writer Lost Me at "We're"

I'm usually pretty understanding about typos and grammar errors -- they indicate things about the writer.

But this story is published at what sounds like a professional journal (I did not follow the link), and looks professionally formatted and written, so to have "we're" instead of "were" totally derailed me.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Ron Paul...

praises Wenzel for being one of the earliest to predict the housing bubble and the "Great Recession".

Wenzel started his career on Wall Street. Now, in *addition* to still consulting on Wall Street he runs his blog, a very popular radio show, authors books, contributes to Lew Rockwell.com, runs daily alert services and more.

I think the real issue here is that 1) Wenzel is a very very busy and highly praised man known for his tough but fair and respectful (lacking in personal attacks) journalism and radio interviews and 2) you are upset with him disagreeing with you and you are scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for personal attacks and ways to smear his character.

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

How did this get 53 (and counting?) downvotes?

I read comments like 'playing chess' (more like checkers), 'compromise' (where?), 'he's just like his father' - no waaay!
But what I find really, really sad is that people have hopped on board the Rand Ride without truly grasping that he is just a tad right of the neocons.
Do all those who downvoted this post approve of sanctions, Brennan, Rand's endorsement of and proclamation that Rmoney was "the man who could restore the American dream and "lead us forward, away from the looming debt crisis,"?
Rand isn't a leader in the mold of a Liberty Movement candidate, but I do see him fit as a TEA Party candidate. And in my eyes that's a step down.
Are people really just latching onto Rand because of his last name? Our founder's threw off the notion of the hereditary succession yet it seems many here want to reinstitute it. Granted, Rand's filibuster started a national conversation, but his words won't stop drone strikes on American soil.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

If you think neocons are 'right' you don't know anything

Neocons are big government liberals, not 'conservatives'

So that being the case, Ron Paul is ALL of the way to the right of the neocons.

Since you don't understand politics it is understandable that you don't understand why this neocon hit piece has gotten so many down votes.

Well, or you are just a POS neocon shill.


down vote it 10 more times if I could, mainly because it's a bunch of non-sense.

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

I think because, there seems

I think because, there seems like there is no one else, people will latch on, as long as you demand more then what rand is offering *shrug

do not let your "starvation" let you contend with a half eaten chicken bone thrown to you at your masters table, youve won a battle, celebrate, cheer drink wine and be merry, but please do rememember, the "war" rages on,

lets not celebrate a war won, over one of the (likely many), battles

People want to get there with

People want to get there with the message intact, people are just worried that rand, if he does trully ebrace fully the message, that he may end up loosing it with the path he takes, a politicians path (assuming he embraces it, and is purposefully holding back), i supported ron, not for the keeping to the politicians mold, but by breaking it, to act a politician, is kind of a "comprimise" in my eyes

Im hoping there is diamond in the rough up there in bullshit mounting who'll shine through, who is as bold, daring, and caring of life as ron.......rand is still a lump of coal but given time, who knows.........personally, im hoping for a few diamond rons

Just to clarify, in comparison to other lumps of coal up there in bm, rands further along then most, but still, MUCH more to go

well done

You read my mind, I just cant believe so many climb on the Rand wagon after all that they have been through in the last 2 election cycles. They are desperate for a leader they will take anyone. Hey they want the son of the king as if some how Ron Paul can be duplicated by his son.


Wow, you said everything I said

but succinctly. I don't understand the downvotes or this thought-less 'love' for/defense of Rand.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Are you familiar

Are you familiar with the concept of a PR blitz? Do you think Rand Paul's staff was able to set up all those interviews on such short notice after the filibuster?

i was thinking of a singular

i was thinking of a singular issue. i knew a long time ago that he sold out. but he was amazing on this one issue. even real liberals and real progressives championed what he did.

i think it helped wake people up. it as least let the real liberals know, "wait a minute? we voted for this president so this stuff wouldn't happen."

i think it gave pause for the liberals to see who was behind the curtains. and it at least gave- like others at the dailypaul have said, a way for limbaugh and other neocons to start thinking about a transition to peace. With Dr Ron Paul, you would have to cry in your room one night to release how wrong you've been, and make amends by going out in the street and telling people about Ron Paul's foreign policy.

At least with limbaugh and hannity, it might be a way for them to stop- if they have the power to stop taking their marching orders from the illuminati.

but for the regular neocon driving his pickup truck, it may give them pause to think harder about what just happened.

I'm for these things. These are only figureheads. It's the millions of people that must change for the better, and i think Rand Paul is helping them because of the filibuster.


Here is a little chess game that I am going to play:

And I will even give away my answer before the game is over:

I will vote my conscience:

There is NO more "I will accept killing people overseas without due process if you leave the ones here alone".

There is NO more "I will let you have that little win if you accept sanctions this time".

There is NO more we will let you have air time and then we will *maybe possibly mention in passing* auditing the fed and the ones responsible".

There is NO more "maybe we will back off slightly attacking 2ndA if nra and everybody agrees to disarm veterans and impose million frn 'liability' insurance on everybody else even though we know that is is a direct INFRINGEMENT of the Bill of Rights.

And here's a WHOPPER OF A BEAUTY! How about every so-called republi'CAN' getting on NATIONAL TV explaining to the American people exactly what A21, ICLIE, SUSTAINABILTY [whatever you want to call it] is, how it is being underhandedly implemented, such as calling it some bogus name like "Act 47" and working to preserve OUR RIGHTS AND OUR REPUBLIC!!

How about this: gop wants my vote? Get on board or get the f&ck lost.

Now. How is that for chess?! Thanks for playing! Next!

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul


drink the Rand-Aid and shut up with your "beliefs."

We compromise now, that's our thing. Didn't you get the memo?

Sanctioning Iran and droning poor people overseas is fine, as long as our father is Dr. Paul.

ha ha ha

! A sane voice in the DP wilderness.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

What the EPJ is really trying to say is...

The Republican Party still exists, only now it has a lot of Ron Paul supporters on board. Sorry, but, there has always been a two-party system in this country since 1796 and always will be.