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EPJ: Neocons Reel In The Ron Paulians

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Who could possibly be better than Rand Paul to deliver the votes needed for the Neocons. What a fortunate situation. Rand, over time, has consistently proved to the Neocons that he's not his Dad and can be trusted. When it comes to foreign policy, he's as flexible as silly putty.

That's like music to Neocon ears.

Then comes the "spontaneous" filibuster.

National Stage...everyone watching for hours on end.

In action (i.e., the only thing that counts) the filibuster accomplished absolutely nothing. But the Neocons we're all cheers (Rubin, Krauthammer, Limbaugh, Beck). Buzzfeed even put together a list of just about every other bad guy that got on board.

Sadly, a large number of Ron Paul supporters took the bait...It proved too hard to resist. You'd have to be for Obama droning you to resist, right?

Yet nothing was done. Brennan was sworn in swiftly the very next day, and The White House gave itself enough leeway to drive a Homeland Security tank through with its "letter".

In other words, the ship is still on course. It just now has a bunch of Ron Paul passengers on board!

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Rand

Isn't different than his father when it comes to foreign Policy. Ron never had a problem with Israel. That was a lie created by Glenn Beck.

"Isn't different than his father when it comes to foreign Policy

That's a lie.

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Please

Explain, because maybe I am unaware. I haven't heard anything different from them. Could you please explain other than calling it a lie with out backing it up.

Did you listen to his speech?

Do you think his dad would condone military bombing overseas? How about military drone strikes here in the US?

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Yes, with a proper declaration of war.

"Do you think his dad would condone military bombing overseas?"

Yes, with a proper declaration of war.

"How about military drone strikes here in the US?"

Yes with the proper declaration of war, and our said enemies on American soil.

You believe Ron would approve drone strikes here?

Wrong! Read the 5th Amendment!
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

No PERSON!! Also, drones are used in other countries because we can't get to them any other way. In the US we have plenty of ways to get persons determined to commit 'public danger'.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

It no longer applies with a declaration of war.

Again: "Yes with the proper declaration of war, and our said enemies on American soil."

Imagine a horde of murdering invaders on American soil, beyond the reach of due process, and whom we've declared war on. A drone is just a weapon; A kind of guided missile that fires missiles. It's a really big and nasty gun. Don't blame the gun. Blame the man who wants to use it to serve injustice.

The 5th amendment no longer protects a person after a declaration of war.

When we declare war, we're saying that you no longer get Constitutional rights or due process, and it's time to serve justice on those trying to kill us.

Do you think Ron Paul opposes war when there's a proper declaration? He volunteered to go to war. What he wants to get rid of is war without a proper declaration of war, and for the reasons you just stated.

Without it, people have a right to due process under the Constitution. Meeting them with deadly force is about serving justice without due process. It's about self defense. They didn't want civility and due process. They wanted to kill us, so we declare war, and justice is STILL served.

Without a declaration of war, we're murdering people and denying them due process, even by our own standards.

When you think about, you'll understand that to send soldiers to war without a proper declaration is to set them up to be cast as murderers. Our military men and woman are being set up to take the fall by civil authority, and those in government damn well know it. When people want injustice, injustice is what they get.

wow, are you ignorant

The government has been setting the stage for a complete subjugaton of Americans for a long time now through crazy Acts and new govt offices like the EPA to steal our land and Dept of Ed to indoctrnate and dumb down our children, changing the intent of the FDA by handing it over to Monsanto, Clinton's Dept of Sustainability, and more recently by the whittling away of our civil rights through the Patriot Act, creation of the TSA, militarization of the LEOs, making deals with foreign countries like Russia and Canada to allow their soldiers to fight inside the US, by including those provisions in the NDAA, purchasing of hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo and now tanks... have you been sleeping? Posse Comitatus no longer exists here.
That roaming horde of murdering invaders on American soil WILL be Americans once the govt starts its war against us. You are a fool if you can't see that.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

What makes you think I'm ignorant to any of that?

Well? You wanted a revolution and couldn't win the public debate. You're getting what you wanted right? Thinking you're surrounded by ignorant sheep is connected to why you failed.

"Funny sheep screams like a human" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTQE1jWClo

I wouldn't judge yet.

Hi,

The only way to get to power these days is to play ball. Once president you can do a lot of things. You can change everything if you play your cards right. My father said be a bad guy if it's the only way to be the good guy. Makes sense in this world. I have always said this in other post that sometimes you have to be the devil to defeat one.

Maybe I should vote for John McCain in 2016?

He is just been playing ball, right? I'm sure once he becomes president, he will be the good guy.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Yeah John McCain and Rand

Yeah John McCain and Rand Paul are completely the same. Get real. Sitting on the sidelines and feeling morally superior and not playing the game gets you nowhere in life.

Yet

attaching yourself to another politician with conservative leanings while minimizing the evil of the US GOV'T will get you ahead?

Remember when Ron tweeted that if you live by the sword, you'll die by the sword, and Randy came out saying that he's proud of our brave warrior-heroes for participating in mass murder, just like every good American pol should?

I Posted This Earlier

but maybe it's pointless to people here. This pretty much summed it up with me. Whatever http://www.dailypaul.com/277584/i-feel-sorry-for-the-dinosaurs

skippy

Rand is a turncoat

I was watching face the nation on cnbc a couple weeks ago where Carl Rove said someone like Rand Paul will be our next republican president. Setting the stage for the neo-cons. I would not vote for Rand Paul I would stay home and polish my ammo.

Rand Paul can't win without the sheeple

being led by Neocons vote for him.

All this talk about who reeled in whom

All I can picture in my mind is hook, line and sinker.

I can play along too....

Look a neocon spy writing an article on the command of McCain and his friends to keep Ron Paul types from consolidating into an active movement again.

If you are going to be paranoid at least be consistent and distrust the source.

If you think Wenzel is a neocon...

...then you are the one who hasn't investigated the source.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

Calling Rand Paul a neocon is

Calling Rand Paul a neocon is just as ridiculous. If he was a neocon, McCain and Graham would have been there for him.

He is a neocon

"If he was a neocon, McCain and Graham would have been there for him."

Yep cause they'd never put on a show for the average dumbass.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Politicians aren't so clever

That's why the GOP neocons are pushing Rubio for 2016. They're dumb enough to think Rubio can pick up the Hispanic vote, regardless of his statist position on the issues.

You really give neocons way too much credit for intelligence.

And yet they have kept the power for a great many years

They're clever enough to have taken control of every avenue to where it's difficult to get an opposing message out.

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When you have enough money...

...you don't need to be clever. The GOP is the stupid party that will trot out another neocon Trojan horse -- this time it's Rubio. They hate Rand Paul.

"They hate Rand Paul."

So that's your indicator? If they hate someone it's proof?

If so, they're loving on Rand Paul right now.

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The real question is...

...what do you have against Rand Paul? You apparently dislike him for his stance on some issue or issues, so much so that you're trying to persuade others to reject him on bogus reasons.

An even better question is

going on your supposed logic.. Why then are you supporting him. I mean if that's your basis for voting for someone why are you backing someone that's getting all that love from neocons.

I'm sure by now you realize how stupid that idea is..

As for your question.. you answered it.. I have a real problem with his stances.. nuff said.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

I repeat, just to make it clear:

Neocons hate Rand Paul.

That should be enough reason to support him in 2016.

btw, which stances of his don't you like? His anti-Fed, anti-war, anti-NDAA, anti-Dept. of Ed, or budget-cutting stances, for example? You haven't been clear on that.

"Neocons hate Rand Paul."

You can say that 30 more times and it's not going to make it true and it's completely fucking moronic to make a vote on that alone.. If you're that stupid.. do NOT vote and help us out.

The only two neocons not liking Rand right now is McCain and Graham. Unfortunately for your illogical brain.. there are many more neocons than two.

Did you hear Newt Gingrich praising Rand? I can easily find more I'm sure.

How about these two..

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/11/more-neocon-pra...

Here's another one...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/karl-rove-dismisses-tea-party-bac...

Either you're an ignorant jackass that's too stupid to see what's right in front of your face or you WANT the neocons to win and that's why you're pushing Rand too because you KNOW neocons are backing Rand.

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And who is the Dumbass?

So, anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% is a dumbass ... I see. It must be so very hard always being the smartest person in the room ... and here I thought that progressives had a monopoly on this form of hubris.

Rand Paul just did more to shift a large number of people at least one notch closer to our positions than you and your conspiracy league have been able to do over the last 6 years and so he must be demonized because YOURS is the only righteous path.

Give me a freaking break.

It should be a big freaking sign when you find yourself on the same side as the very neocons and progressives that you rage against on an issue. You really think McCain gives two shits about what our movement thinks? His arrogance supersedes any possibility that he would actually fear us and as such would not 'waste' his precious time/effort in coming up with some elaborate means to manipulate us into supporting one of his own. The man wants us gone or against him, NOT part of his party.