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Shocking article from the St. Louis Jewish Light on gun control

I must admit to be a little flabbergasted. http://www.stljewishlight.com/opinion/commentaries/article_c...

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What's with..

..the giant hideous face next to the propaganda?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

70% of the Jewish community

70% of the Jewish community voted for Obama. They are the anti-Zionists and anti-neocons of their group.

I found the study he's referencing

http://www.people-press.org/2013/01/14/in-gun-control-debate...

I think they intentionally polled people in areas they suspected would agree with them. No way they would get anything near those numbers down here in the south.

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

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I'm also shocked about this non-information extravaganza.

This story being posted as an opinion piece is an understatement. They should have created a fantasy land section of this newspaper for this story. On second thought, a pure crap section would have have been even better.

he just made up

96.2% of his uncited statistics

Jews tend to support the Left

Jews tend to support the Left wing for two reasons. First, the historical push for secularization was on the Left. Second, they want to distance themselves from ugly stereotypes about greed and "money-grubbing." Makes sense to me.

Kill the Straw Man

Here is a straw man with a big yellow star plastered on his chest. Macht Schnell! Toten die Juden! Take turns thrusting your bayonets into him like good Schutzstaffel trainees. If you show enough passion and vigor, you might get lucky and end up with an assignment to the Einsatzgruppen.

You trust those statistics?

I do not. Pew Research? Stinks a bit.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Not at all

When the article states 90% of gun owners, and 76% of non-gun owners favor preventing people with mental illness from buying guns. Yeah, i'm thinking something's not right LOL.

Desperation and mental anxiety drives anti-Semites

into spending hours of their life on the Jew. Such a mental dependency on the Jew from a grown up man is a clear sign of inferiority complex. There is NOTHING "shocking" about this article. NOTHING. The only attraction in your eyes was an opportunity to tie something bad to the Jew. Misleading title.

FAILED.

Cirocco took you to the cleaners, buddy....

so neener neener poo poo!

It's difficul for non-Jews to

It's difficul for non-Jews to understand what we actually are and to relate to our role in the world. I remember when I was a little girl that we had an Ethiopian professor at the house for Passover who was born Jewish. We had a Hagaddah in Chinese.

And I'm not a man, but you're something of a bigot if you think that Jews being concerned with Jewish matters is 'mental dependency'.

So neener neener poo poo.

LOL

"So neener neener poo poo."

I'm sooooooooooo gonna 'steal' that line!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Who is a Semite? Are

Who is a Semite? Are Palestinians Semites? Well yes they are. But you are anti-Palestinian at every turn, so it is strange that an anti-Arab bigot like you used that non-specific phrase, "anti-Semite."

No facts, just opinions

In fairness to the article, it was about opinions. By recounting opinion polls, it supports the thesis that most people support more restrictions on what kind of guns can be owned and who can own them, therefore Congress is right in passing such laws.

As a logical argument for gun control, it fails. It makes no attempt to link ownership to crime, or gun banning to safety. The reason is that there is no such link.

Given the history of the Jewish people, who have been accused of every bizarre behavior known to man including human sacrafice and thus unfairly dispised by large portions of society, I would think they would be more careful about using public opinion to support any position. Opinions are not facts, and opinions don't determine right and wrong. This isn't an argument...it's a chant.

I'm familiar with the Jewish Light. Twenty years ago I had a very sharp exchange with the Editor over the so-called 'two state solution.' I told him that a Jewish state necessitates ethnic cleansing...and he was ok with that.

Unfortunately, it is a highly influential newspaper in the St Louis Jewish community.

Why, yes. Yes, it is and I

Why, yes. Yes, it is and I certainly don't agree with everything they publish. It was just surprising to see the issue discussed at all considering how heavily Democratic this area is.

I lived in St Louis, and I have a number of Jewish friends

The article did not surprise me. It disappointed me. My good friend, Jeff, Jewish and a Democrat, is active in pro-gun-control organizations. He never supports his argument with any facts, so our conversations are always inconclusive. His opposition to guns comes from unfamiliarity with firearms (he never held one, let alone fired one), and ignorance of statistics. His position was emotional only.

Since I moved to Wisconsin, I have not been in touch with him. I'll have to give him a ring and see what he thought of Rand Paul's fillibuster...and see if he's in favor of droning.

If only Jews

were against guns, that wont be a problem, AT ALL. Jews have little number of actual votes. Their population is small. Look at opinion polls cited in the article, though. The whole argument here is driven by anti-Semitic anxiety to see everything through collective glasses.

Hopefully

Hopefully people will learn to expel the myth of the "Nazis" grabbing peoples guns.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

Gun Control Act of 1968 :

Isn't that one supposed to include provisions from the 1936? or 38? modification of the 1933 German Weapons Law?

The Constitution is a Trust : http://www.The-Legacy.Info

Should never trust

a Jew making these statements about gun control, because as the now deceased Aaron Zellman founder of JPFO, has stated before 'Jews have always been the gun grabbers'. If you research the anti-gun legislation you will find the overall majority of legislation was written by Jews: U.S. Gun Control Legislation, 1968-Present

Emanuel Celler

1968: The Gun Control Act of 1968 comes from Rep. Emanuel Celler’s House bill H.R. 17735. It expands legislation already attempted by the non-Jewish Sen. Thomas Dodd. America’s biggest and most far-reaching gun law came from a Zionist.

Howie Metzenbaum

1988: Senate bill S. 1523 is sponsored by Senator Howard Metzenbaum. It proposes legislation turning every violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 into a RICO predicate offense, allowing a gun owner to be charged with federal racketeering offenses.
1988: Senator Metzenbaum co-sponsors a bill -- S. 2180 -- to ban, or limit/restrict, so-called “plastic guns.”

Herb Kohl

1990: Senator Herbert Kohl introduces bill S.2070, the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, which bans gun possession in a school zone. The law will later be struck down in court as unconstitutional.1993: Senate bill S.653 is sponsored by Sen. Howard Metzenbaum. It bans specific semiautomatic rifles, but also gives the Secretary of the Treasury the power to add any semiautomatic firearm to the list at a later date.

Chuck Schumer

February, 1994: The Brady Law, which requires waiting periods to buy handguns, becomes effective. Senator Metzenbaum wrote the Brady Bill. Metzenbaum sponsored the bill in the Senate. The sponsor of the bill in the House was Rep. Charles Schumer [2].1994: Senator Metzenbaum introduces S.1878, the Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994, aka “Brady II.” Rep. Schumer sponsored “Brady II” sister legislation [H.R. 1321] in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Dianne Feinstein

September, 1994: The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 goes into effect, including a provision that bans the manufacture and possession of semiautomatic rifles described as “assault weapons.” [Note: true assault weapons are fully automatic, not semiautomatic]. That gun-ban provision was authored in the Senate by Senator Dianne Feinstein and authored in the House by Congressman Schumer.

Arlene Specter

1995: Senators Kohl, Specter, Feinstein, Lautenberg and others introduce the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1995, an amended version of the 1990 school-zone law which was struck down in court as being unconstitutional.

Frank Lautenberg

September, 1996: The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation provision becomes law. It is part of a larger omnibus appropriations bill. It was sponsored by Senator Frank Lautenberg. It bans people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from ever owning a gun.1997: Senate bill S. 54, the Federal Gang Violence Act of 1997, proposes much harsher sentences for people violating minor gun laws, including mandatory prison sentences and forfeiture of property. It was introduced by Dianne Feinstein and Senator [Hatch], among others. It returns the idea of turning every violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 into a RICO predicate offense

Barbara Boxer

January, 1999: Senator Barbara Boxer introduces bill S.193, the American Handgun Standards Act of 1999. January, 1999: Senator Kohl introduces bill S.149, the Child Safety Lock Act of 1999. It would to require a child safety lock in connection with transfer of a handgun. February, 1999: Senator Frank Lautenberg introduces bill S.407, the Stop Gun Trafficking Act of 1999. February, 1999: Senator Lautenberg introduces S.443, the Gun Show Accountability Act of 1999.

Senator Abe Levin

March, 1999: Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.560, the Gun Industry Accountability Act of 1999. March, 1999: Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.594, the Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine Import Ban Act of 1999. May, 2000: Senate bill S. 2515, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2000, is submitted by Senators Feinstein, Senator Barbara Boxer, Sen. Lautenberg and Sen. Schumer. It is a plan for a national firearms licensing system.

January, 2001: Senate bill S.25, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2001, is sponsored by Feinstein, Schumer, and Boxer. It is a nation-wide gun registration plan [apparently there were two versions of that Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act bill].

May, 2003: Senators Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer and others introduce legislation that would reauthorize the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, and, close a loophole in the law that allows large-capacity ammunition magazines to be imported into the U.S. The ban is scheduled to expire in September, 2004.

October, 2003: Senators Feinstein, Lautenberg, Levin [also Jewish] and Schumer co-sponsor bill S.1774, designed to stop the sunset [ending] of the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988.

March, 2005: Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.645, “to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act,” in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the “Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994“] which expired in late 2004.

March, 2005: Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.620, “to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act,” in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the “Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994”] which expired in late 2004. [2]

And, never forget to mention the ADL, ACLU and SPLC, are all behind pushing anti-gun legislation. The ACLU and SPLC don't claim being Jewish groups but both were formed and are funded by Jews.

Are you refering to all Jews?

Being Jewish is immaterial. Bad policy is bad policy, despite the religion or heritage of the person proposing it. Jews come in all persuasions: liberal, conservative, fascist, communist, and libertarian. To generalize, as you have done, is unjust.

Any time I see words like "never trust a Jew," the fighting side of me comes out. My friends deserve more respect than that.

Go ahead, vote me down. I will be honored to be despised by bigots.

That's exactly why the

That's exactly why the article was so shocking, at least it was to me. I happen to be the rarest of birds - a Jewish Libertarian who doesn't support the Zionist government of Israel even though my sister lives there. It is rather critical to differentiate between Torah Jews and Zionists though. Hillary Clinton is certainly not Jewish, but she's emphatically pro-Israel and that's true for a lot of people. Torah Jews in Israel have always opposed the establishment of the State at the hands of man because G-d was supposed to provide and there's a very uneasy and tenuous truce that exists between the military and the religious population which has been in existence for decades.

definitely--

I know there are many Jews who oppose oppression in any form and seek to publish the truth, but you are probably correct in that not all of those who oppose Zionism are libertarians.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

There is indeed a difference...

Between Torah Jews and Zionist. The Torah Jews just want to live in peace, the Zionist scare the Hell out of me.

oh, you silly silly man

when will you learn....they're all the same Talmudic following bunch.

.ro

Revelations 2:9 and

Revelations 2:9 and Revelations 3:9..... read it.

Voted you down

Gleefully.

Sorry, but they most

Sorry, but they most definitely are not.

you don't need to apologize to someone like that--

most of *us* on here realize that he/she is wrong.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--