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While Rand continues to fight imaginary drone strikes, Elizabeth Warren fights the banks

While the state of Kentucky suffers from the highest unemployment rate and is the nation's poorest state per capita the junior senator from Kentucky continues to do nothing about it. Instead Rand goes on a 14 hour rant about what might happen, what could happen or what might never happen. And after feeding his ego to get on the Rush Limbaugh show he declares a victory for something that we already know. The President will not drone unarmed citizens in the United States. Rand Paul is proving to be more of the Don Quixote of Washington DC and thanks to Rand's weakening of the TSA as Congressman Peter King noted an actual grade 1 bomb has managed to get through our airports.{I bet you didn't hear that on the Rush Limbaugh show}.

But while Randi continues to look in the mirror and brush his curly locks and repeats"one day I shall be President of the United States". There is actually a Senator out there who is fighting a real enemy, an actual enemy and not an imaginary one. This senator has decided to take on the most ruthless vile and destructive organization that has enslaved the American people since its inception, the banks and even though this senator wears the evil communist D at the end of her name she continues to hammer an organization that continues to operate "above the law'. I don't know about you but I certainly haven't seen any drones in my coffee shop but I have certainly seen many American lives destroyed and swept into poverty due to the ruthless greed of the banks.

God bless the libertarians they are a noble bunch but they actually have it all wrong. You see even though the Constitution is important it was never meant to be interpreted by Senators or Congressmen.The last thing you want your politician to do is to try to interpret the Constitution sure Dr. Paul was the champion of the Constitution and I'm talking about Ron here. But that is not the reason he continued to get reelected and remained wildly popular in his district.The real reason Dr. Paul was so popular with his district was because he brought home the bacon. He brought in massive amounts of pork he covered his districts back and they covered his back. So that he could continue his hobby of the Constitution. This is one thing that Rand seems to not understand and that is, his number one job is to take care of the people in his state. Senators were never meant to look at a bill to see if it was constitutional or not that is not a senators or representatives job. There first and foremost job is to look out for their state and their district not to interpret the Constitution.

The fact being our forefathers set up our system in a way that only few are even able to interpret the Constitution and that would be our Circuit Court judges and our Supreme court judges. These are the people who were appointed by our Presidents and are the only ones who are allowed to interpret the Constitution. Senators and Congressmen were not set up to do that. They were set up to do what is best for their state or their district. And I for one certainly do not want Ted Cruz to interpret the Constitution for me. I want him to do what is best for my state and that goes for all my Senators and Congressmen.

Even the President of the United States should not try to interpret the Constitution. The President first and foremost should look out for the American people. And only when you vote to choose a President you should keep in mind that he is only qualified to appoint someone who will interpret the Constitution and not to interpret the Constitution himself.

And personally, I would rather choose a President who has watched out and taken care of their state rather than trying to interpret the Constitution. That is why I would choose the lady from Massachusetts any day over the gentleman from Kentucky to be my President.

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This comment is hilarious

I remember getting into a big fight with lancealot( choose your own expletive) almost a year ago. Just as I was arriving at the dDP.

What a dung Beatle!!!

Séamusín

I thought this thread

would have died already. It's like a fungus that just won't go away.

Im getting tired of it too.

I just wanted to try to answer everyones questions then I was going to stop.

troll alert

On 9/2/12, lancealotlink started a thread instructing us to vote for Obama because our survival depended on it. In that article lancealotlink announced, "I am a socialist." Now, he is attacking Rand Paul and promoting the Democratic Indian Senator. He also said that he wasn't a troll. You decide.

http://www.dailypaul.com/252816/vote-barack-obamayour-very-s...

I thought a troll was someone that used deceptive practices

To pretend they are someone they are not. I have always been honest about who I am Ive never tried to deceive anyone.

It only took me a few minutes to fact check

some of your statements. Kentucky has a Democrat Governor with a majority of Dems in the House but a majority of Reps in the Sentate. I bet they disagree on how to handle things a lot of the time. The unemployment rate has fallen sharply in 2012 to under 8% (which can mean nothing if people have given up looking for a job) but as a statistic does not make them the highest in the country. The state has seen slow, steady growth which according to some is the best kind as it means businesses are looking long term. Kentucky is somewhere around the 8th to the last in per capita income so it is not the poorest. Rand personally worked on the Hemp farming bill which could bring jobs and money to Kentucky.

In a battle that lasted 13 seconds 9 students were wounded and 4 were dead. Do you think any of us every thought Pres. Nixon would send the National Guard to do that? What's to stop the next president from using the government's latest toy, the drone.

I don't want our politicans to interpret our Constitution, I want them to uphold our Constitution. That is their oath.

You've been here a long time and I've read some of your comments. This doesn't sound like you. Is something wrong? If so, let us try to help.

as of September 2012 which is the latest figures I could find

Daily finance magazine reports that Kentucky has the highest unemployment rate of 9.5% these are the very latest figures that I can come up with.

Huiffington Post reports poorest county in America Owsley County Kentucky. Also as report on Huffington reports out 11 counties in the country. Kentucky has 4.Which are number 5 Magoff county number 3.Lee County and Number 2 Breathhitt County Ky One Poorest County in the State of the Union of course Owsley County Ky.So out of the top 11 poorest counties in the nation Kentucky has a grand total of 4 . Great job Rand is doing ya. Please verify this information by going to Huffington Post Poorest Counties in the nation. Oh and by the way according to Forbs magazine the top 10 poorest states of the Union are all free market Republican states . Good job Republicans.

hmmm ok....

hmmm ok....

by the votes on all of these

by the votes on all of these rand paul attack articles ... its pretty evident where the movement is.

and being snarky and backhanded with the comments ... only amplifies the distaste ... i downvoted ... and elizabeth warren is socialist ... the purpose of her raising these issues is because she wants to expand government not return it to its constitutional role

All paper money eventually returns to its real intrinsic value, zero. - Voltaire

Not picking sides

Not picking sides, but there is a reasonable point to this person's argument, despite their implication that obeying the Constitution is a "hobby" for R.E.P. There is something very insightful about congressmen "interpreting" the Constitution. There is no room for interpretation. Period. I found that a valuable thing to point out. And they're right: Ron Paul isn't loved in his district because everyone in Galveston TX reads Hayek, Mises, and Rothbard. I personally loved Rand's filibuster despite the fact that it came out of a political strategy meeting with Jesse Benton. However, attacking the Federal Reserve was at the heart of all of Ron Paul's ideas and messages.

The FED is the common denominator and the systemic problem that plagues our country. There is no doubt that it is responsible for the carte blanche of the DHS, Pentagon, and the M.I.C. in general. We're all used to hearing the response to abolishing the gov't: "but who will build the roads?" Well, here's another one to think about: "Abolish the Fed." "But who will build the drones?"

I saw Sen. Warren's interview in an actual Commie rag by Michael Moore entitled: "Capitalism: A Love Story" (which is a load of garbage and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless they want to burst a blood vessel). She was put in a position of authority to manage TARP, but actually started asking the question, "Where the hell did all the money go?" She does not seem like a bought-and-paid-for shill and I'm thankful it is her in there and not the Republican Fascist/Playgirl Centerfold/ Punchline of a joke that is Scott Brown.

But the main point is this: What kind of libertarian shuts down completely and reverts to accusations of communism when someone has a different opinion? Does anyone else agree that this is a wrench in the wheels of the liberty movement in general? Generally, political opinions are predisposed before getting into a discussion about it, and discussions often turn into arguments on how to prove the other person is wrong. Not always, but often. And when someone is wrong, calling them a Commie Sheep will not get them to agree with you. It will alienate them.

I've gotten in many a debate with my own sister about liberty and the message of freedom. She actually IS a commie sheeperson who once told me that the Constitution was better before the Bill Of Rights was added...Needless to say, that is an uphill battle that I've all but given up fighting.

But this post is from someone who clearly loves liberty as they have been a DP member for 5 years. And we're eating them like we're in the Donner Party! We are so hypocritical! "Do whatever you want and say whatever you want and differences of opinion are a beautiful thing that make the world go 'round...except for your's, you STATIST SCUM..."

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drones in my coffee shop, scones in my tea

The lady from Massachusetts and the gentleman from Kentucky, hmm. This article uses one to attack the other. What's the point of this poorly reasoned, poorly written article? Ah, who cares.

The point?

The point is to divide & distract. Stay on target, Audit the Fed!

"So [Ron Paul] Could Continue His Hobby Of The Constitution"

Yes, people. This is a joke.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Surely You Jest

Unbelievable is what comes to mind

Come on folks... chill...

Don't you understand great sarcasm when you read it?!

Chill... it is one of the best sarcasms I have seen in years! :)

I had to login

just to down vote this crap.

LOL

This is obviously some propaganda troll

I am Ron Paul

She's the person responsible

for the 'you didn't build that' speech. http://youtu.be/i-P-CoSNYaI It was her speech originally after she stole it from Professor Lakoff. http://youtu.be/53SMjghUpD8

Personally I think hanging is too good for a lot of these banksters but she's all sound bite and no results.

Also the banks haven't done too badly under her boss's administration, have they? If someone wants to give me a millions or a billion I'll turn up and she can call me all the names she wants.

she has only been in the Senate for three months

give her a break.

She supported Dodd-Frank

She supported Dodd-Frank which is permanent bailouts of big banks. She's a banker shill just like the rest. We know she's an authoritarian collectivist, but if she was really anti-bankster she'd be calling for action against the Fed. She's not. All the stuff she wants to do is going to shut down more small banks as they can ill afford to comply with new regulation and make big banks bigger as they snap up the little ones. She's too smart not to know it, so it's not ignorance, it's malice.

biggest Bull**it I've ever read on DP

You just don't belong on this site, your a Communist, you support Warren over Paul as a President? you would have a socialist farther left then Obama and the Young Turks in the oval office, you're simply a troll who doesn't belong here. People think your a chick because the way you write sounds like a feminazi.

okay Mr. cbat maybe I don't belong on here.

I used to be a libertarian though, but I am no longer one and you want to know why because libertarians are the biggest hypocrites I've ever met. You always say oh I don't need the government for anything but when shtf you guys are always the first ones in line to try to collect a check from the the government.let's take some examples.

1. Ron Paul – collects a Social Security check.

2. Ayn Rand-chain-smoking welfare case.

3. John Stossel – got a government refund check when his house was destroyed by a hurricane.

Even though I've never collected one dime from the government. I realize that one day I might need some kind of help and I'm not about to condemn those who do need some kind of help.

Oh and I know your excuse you libertarians always use to collect money from the government. You always say "oh well I'm only trying to break the system. I'm only trying to destroy it faster"

Really so you're so much more noble than I am because you're collecting money from the government to break the system and I'm collecting money from the government because I need the help what kind of BS is that

So tell me Mr. C Batt how many times have you collected money from the government. How many times have you gotten some kind of bailout.And if you haven't done it already you will. You all will.

You say that the hypocrisy is

You say that the hypocrisy is what drove you from libertarianism.

I've heard people use the hypocrisy argument for many things, so what I am about to say can apply to anything, not just libertarianism or even political or religious ideas, but anything that people reject based on the reason they call "the hypocrisy".

Please clear your mind and THINK slowly and carefully with me for a minute.

Hypocrisy means that a person's actions don't fit their stated beliefs, correct? The actions are one thing, the stated beliefs are clearly different than that; two different things, right?
So when you were a libertarian, which one did you agree with, the actions of the people, or the stated beliefs of those people?

Did the libertarian ideas become bad BECAUSE people weren't being consistent to them? Or were the actions bad BECAUSE the people weren't following their libertarian ideas?

One of them was wrong, so it's either the ideas or the actions. Which was it?

I'll put it to you another way.

Imagine that you are with some people on a raft that was falling apart in a storm and a boat came to save you, and all of you said that the boat would save you and were adamant about that. If none of the others got on the boat but clinged to the collapsing raft while still saying that getting into the boat would save them, would that be a logical reason for you to NOT get into the boat?

THAT is just as logical as using "the hypocrisy" argument to reject something.

Hmmm

Ill have to think about that one.

what does Ron Pauls

what does Ron Pauls collecting his SS check have to do with anything. He paid into it. He should get it back..

Cmon S we have been through this before.

Ron Paul is a very wealthy man. He makes $60,000 a speaking engagement. He collects $30,000 a month on the government pensions. The spirit of Social Security system was set up for those who were broke when they retired. You know this as well as I do. You do not see the hypocrisy in that.

Small but important

Small but important correction. Ron Paul didn't accept the Govt pension. His pension comes from his medical practice years ago. His annuities come from his stock investments. He may command a price for his speaking engagements nowdays, but he worked hard to get to the point where he commands that price.

As far as SS goes, at the time that Dr. Paul paid into that system, it was sold to people as a trust fund for your future retirement. It was voluntary to pay into, not mandatory, and you voluntarily paid it in order to get your money back when you reached retirement age. He was promised a pay off on his original investment into that system, even if it was just recouping his own money. Its a contract he made with the Govt, and there is nothing wrong with requiring the Govt to uphold their end.

Blessings )o(

BTW I did read somewhere

That he does receive a pension but gives some of it back to the treasury.

Wait your saying that Dr Paul

Does not receive his gov. pension that all retired congressmen receive every month. Im sorry but I do find that hard to believe. Not knocking if he does but why accept measly SS check when you,ve worked against it and then not take a gov. pension that pays you 30,000 a month.

That's right. He refused to

That's right. He refused to participate in the Govt. Pension because he believes its immoral:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19970130&id=HO...

"Only ONE congressman who rejects the congressional pension plan, refusing to take a dime because he knows the public can’t get such a break."
http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/another-media-lie-a...

"Former congressman Ron Paul refused to participate in the congressional pension system, labeling it "immoral"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_pension

"Representative Ron Paul, 76, has refused to participate in the federal system during his almost 22 years representing Texas in Congress.

‘It is Immoral’

“It is immoral that someone spend so much time in Congress that they even should think about getting retirement benefits,” Paul said in a 1997 release on his House website. “To expect those benefits to be paid by taxpayers at rates no citizen can ever hope to actually earn is even more unreasonable.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/republicans-running...

Blessings )o(