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Tell me, please

Submitted by awl19 on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:08.

Where did I say I was an anarchist? Just do me that kindness.

Does Ron Paul deny that he's an Anarchist?

Submitted by FreedomsReigning on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:49.

"I support Ron Paul in every position he's ever taken."

Ron Paul calls himself a Voluntarist, and you support him in every position he's ever taken.

Are there any Anarchists here who'll deny that Ron Paul is an Anarchist? (Nope.)

Has he bothered to tell people what's wrong with Anarchism? (Nope.) He thinks his message is perfect.

How did he do defending the Constitution? Is he defending it or trying to show people that it's a broken document and indefensible? Why with so much airtime did he get so little accomplished? Why pull his punches the way he does? Why tell you to hide your shows of support, to blend in with the crowd, and to only parrot his talking points? Why run a campaign unless you're trying to win?

Why ask Ben Bernanke "what is money" rather than exposing him as a fiat slaver and a crook?

He's 'trying to save the dollar'. The "dollar" is word that has meaning. A dollar has nothing to do with money or a store of value. He may as well be saying he's 'trying to save monopoly money'.

If "the dollar" was a slug of silver with our Federal Government coining and regulating it's value, I would agree with him, but you can't save something that's already been destroyed and corrupted.

awl19, are you suggesting...

Submitted by Mark Hanson on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:55.

there are no subversives commenting at DP whose strategy is divide and conquer? If so, I've got some subprime loans I'd like to sell you, and don't worry, the price of homes will never go down.

Most of Rand's supporters acknowledge his flaws, but like hawkiye said, if you don't support Rand as a possible presidential candidate, what's your plan?

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http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1264 (Resist gun control)

No, I'm not, but we've got completely different views.

Submitted by awl19 on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:05.

You see, while I understand there's a possibility of psy-ops agents, neo-cons, or trolls attempting to divide the movement, I don't go around accusing an entire group of people on the DP whom I have a difference of opinion with. Even further, I wouldn't do it without supporting evidence. Who are these people you speak of? What exactly makes them neo-cons? What makes them opposed to the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

You ever seen those users who've been registered to the DP for about a day and then later that day their accounts are deleted? That's because NM and the moderators have identified them as being divisive for the sake of being divisive.

Do I make divisive posts? Absolutely, but I have a purpose of doing so and it's not to cause division in the DP, it's because I (Just like I'm sure others do) have a difference of opinion and I feel justified in displaying it.

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Furthermore, I think I need to reiterate a previous comment. Considering the issues I take with Rand are his neo-conservative leanings, it makes absolutely, positively no sense that you'd accuse people in opposition to him to be neo-cons. I've seen the exact opposite.

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So, again I say, back your shit up and provide evidence that those speaking out against Rand are neo-cons and that they attempt to undermine the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Prove me wrong and...

Submitted by Mark Hanson on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:44.

explain a plan that would be better than a united conservative/libertarian front that forces Rand to continue advocating for the principles of limited government.

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http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1264 (Resist gun control)

Now you switch gears.

Submitted by awl19 on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:18.

Suddenly the argument isn't about name calling and grouping people you're in disagreement with. You've failed your accusatory mission and now you're switching the debate to something else.

there you go, demand the impossible

Submitted by fishyculture on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:14.

And if no one delivers, you can declare yourself right by default.
Self governance. Agorism. Voluntaryism. It is a better plan. You don't like it, so you will try to force some form of government that you like on everyone else.

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Ron Paul supports a new 9-11 investigation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH9nOWnp5G0

Neocon shills exposed

Submitted by reporandy on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:30.

Who are these turds who keep flooding the forums with their divisive tirades?

They are the people who work for the MSM, underlings with desk jobs, who are getting paid by the hour to not only divide the liberty movement, but to drive eyeballs from sites like the DP.

I mean it isn't their primary function over at the washington times, WND, and Newsmax, but the boss compensates them somehow for their extra efforts.

Rand ensorsment of RINO Mitt Romney over his own father

Submitted by Sovereign Human on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 10:44.

is what split and devided many of those who may call themselves liberty minded. It has me opposed to anything Rand Paul.

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sovereign

shill

Submitted by reporandy on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:04.

Slobberin human is a neocon shill

There I said it.

There is no split in the liberty movement. It is a total fabrication of the neocons, anyone who claims that there is a split in the liberty movement is obviously hoping that if he repeats it long enough people will start to believe it.

Only those who WANT a split in the liberty movement claim there is one.

First off your insults betray your personality.

Submitted by Sovereign Human on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:51.

Second in this entire universe I would be the last on anyone could call a NEOCON or a shill if you actally knew who I am. I could call you foul names and give you some labels, but it would do as much good as you have done.

Does my honest truth so upset you.

Let me tell you this I have been voting from the 14 voting district, Ron Paul's district for over twenty years for only one candidate, Ron Paul. How dare you! Discusting@you

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an unwitting dupe is worse than a neocon shill...

Submitted by reporandy on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:42.

shills do for a lot of money what you do sooo good for free.

Neocon shills and neocon shill dupes only deserve ridicule.

Ok scumbag

Submitted by Sovereign Human on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 19:45.

F off your a idiot and blocked.

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sovereign

Get rid of the rigging

Submitted by joeneesima on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 10:29.

and maybe I'll consider EVER voting again.

Until then I will never do the lesser-of-two-evil dance - NEVER.

Good for you PTB - you cheated your way to power.

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The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Rand can count on one thing and one thing only

Submitted by Chessienut on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 08:46.

from me as long as Benton and Olsen are anywhere near his campaign and that is my vote. I'll not spend one thin dime on his campaign if either are part of it. Rand should leave the impetuosity behind and stay out of Ashley Judd's handlers cross hairs. Hollywood is going to rally behind her and we are well aware of what the media can, or can't, do to a campaign. He's already vocalized his two cents on the matter and has nothing to gain by cutting his own throat further. McConell would toss him under the bus in a New York minute if it suited him.

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If not us than who?

For now, he also has only my vocal support

Submitted by reporandy on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 12:17.

Politics, whether anyone likes it or not is a very filthy thing.

No matter how pure YOU are, you still can't go it alone and get elected, you have to have people in your camp, and people, can be turned by mountains of federal reserve notes.

And McConnell is the one in Judd's cross hairs, not Paul...

But I'm with you 100% on your assessment toward financing his campaign AT THIS TIME, he will have to do a whole LOT MORE real small government leadership, and take MANY MORE ARROWS like his dad did, before I will send him a dime!

I said "Judd's handlers" crosshairs

Submitted by Chessienut on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 13:40.

Judd will be concentrating upon McConnell and her handlers will be focusing upon their real target and it aint no dinosaur neocon that they have in their sights. They are prepared to play Rand like a fine instrument and Olsen will be the conductor.

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If not us than who?

are you trying to tell me

Submitted by drengurinn on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 10:22.

are you trying to tell me Rand Paul won't have neo-cons running his campaign ?

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lawrence

We should watch out for WI governor Scott Walker.

Submitted by Homeland Security on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 04:14.

He's a repub, he's smart, wily, a good debater, a rising star in politics, and a darling of those who approve of his issuing an executive order to rob teacher's unions of nearly a billion dollars - pension funds that the unions, love 'em or hate 'em, earned through the legislative process. Wisconsin was the first state to pass labor law reforms, and now it's the first to overturn them by decree of its state king.

Could be a sleeper to derail Rand come election season.

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The Under-Lying Truth
Anti-Panda Propaganda Systems
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Ron Paul: "If you ever can bring about revolutionary changes two things would be required: young people... and music."

Could you fill me in?

Submitted by Vanmind on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:04.

How does someone earn something through the legislative process?

grind through to submission. Tally

Submitted by Homeland Security on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:49.

of times to maximize approach. Isn't too much already? Make of generous offer for kindness, request for demands stop now. To thing desired accomplishment.

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The Under-Lying Truth
Anti-Panda Propaganda Systems
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Ron Paul: "If you ever can bring about revolutionary changes two things would be required: young people... and music."

Cool, seems simple enough

Submitted by Vanmind on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 15:11.

But isn't that just the process in WI? How about elsewhere?

Yes

Submitted by troy on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 01:47.

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I dont understand this "we"

Submitted by Forever Liberty on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 01:06.

I dont understand this "we" business. People voluntarily liked Ron. You cant order people to support someone. The same was done on behalf of Gary Johnson.

If people want to order people to follow Rand or shove bitcoin down throats masqueraded as non-paid members, then it would be more appropriate to place ads.

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Why does Alex Jones insert a "submit to fear" subliminal message in his movies?

Who is it you think is

Submitted by hawkiye on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 02:04.

Who is it you think is ordering anyone to do something?

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Why does anyone have to be "ordering" anything?

Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 10:14.

Your thread is actually the worst. You set up strawman, then set them on fire without evidence.

You are the one doing the dividing. You are the useful idiot.

The thing about useful idiots is that they do it voluntarily. No one has to order or tell them to do anything. They do it on their own. And they have no idea what it is they're doing.

This thread of yours is a perfect example.

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It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Krishnamurti. (But don't mind the fool.)

I disagree

Submitted by NowOrNever on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 14:19.

Telling people that there's a division doesn't create the division. Pointing out that there are trolls trying to divide the movement does not create that division. The reason to tell people about trolls in our midst is to arm them against the trolls, so they don't fall for their nonsense.

So you plan on getting Rand

Submitted by The Philosopher on Sun, 03/10/2013 - 23:23.

So you plan on getting Rand as President huh? How do you plan on overcoming Diebold; and other election rigging methods?

If Rand would actually be an asset to the Liberty movement, then surely you must agree that TPTB would never give him a fair chance at becoming president. Unless you don't think that the 2008, and 2012 primaries weren't rigged against Ron; but if they weren't rigged, then we don't have the numbers that we think we have anyway. But, if those elections were rigged then so would a Presidential election with Rand in it; if he really is on our side. If you agree with what I've said then ask yourself what voting will actually do? If you do not agree with I've said then could you please explain where I was wrong.

I believe that the only reason there is a get-out-to-vote movement is to try and legitimize the government. Only about 30 to 40% of registered voters usually vote. Nearly 40% of those elligable to be registered to vote, aren't. There is a lage section of people who are either elligable and not registered or who are registered and don't vote. This is makes all winners of these votes illegitimate, because the vast majority of 'voters' actively choose to vote against government the only way they can, which is, by not voting at all.

Maybe you should read my OP

Submitted by hawkiye on Sun, 03/10/2013 - 23:33.

Maybe you should read my OP more carefully instead of fabricating a false construct and trying claim its mine.

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Get Prepared!

I've read your OP twice. You

Submitted by The Philosopher on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 08:05.

I've read your OP twice. You want us to try and get Rand elected President; do you not?

Since the answer to the question is, yes -that is what your entire OP is about; then you still haven't answered the questions I posed earlier.

Where you think I came up with a false construct, I'm not quite sure. Just asking a few questions to point to why voting at all is useless and at worst counter productive, by legitimizing an illegitimate government.

How is anything which I've stated in my first comment a false construct?