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I hear the same thing from people supporting Rand..

So what makes you any better? Are you all just a bunch of shills trying to keep us divided!?

oh NO!.. I am becoming as paranoid as others!

Instead of just assuming, or having your audience just believe whatever you or others like you say, why not put out some names so we can go ask them ourselves? I just joined the Daily Paul, but I have not just started reading.

In my experience, the DP has very paranoid people on it. Sometimes a little paranoia is healthy, but sometimes it seems it divides us more often than not.

So have you asked any of these so called "Carl Rove minions" who they are and what they are about?

Can't we all just get along?

-Matthew Good

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bump. +1

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The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Let the Rand haters hate

The more time that passes, the more obsolete the Rand haters become. Soon, they'll be so irrelevant that people will just skip past their comments without even reading them.

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Haters gonna hate, potaters gonna potate.

Keep calm and carry on.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

It's not just about Rand Its about Divide and Conquer

It's not just about Rand it's about Divide and Conquer of the liberty movement!

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Anyone notice...

how the ones coming out against Rand are generally the longtime hardcore libertarian supporters of Ron Paul and that the ones coming out unified in support of Rand are all longtime NEOCONS.

Get a grip and stop the group character smears and vague baseless guilt-by-association. Next thing you guys will be calling for the guillotines to be brought out...

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Haha...

How cute that you guys think I was talking about you! :D

I was talking about well-known personalities and players in the media and political spheres. I have no idea who you guys are or what your long-term philosophies are and therefore you could not have been part of my assessment.

By-in-large, the WELL KNOWN characters that are supporting Rand are neocons. And the WELL-KNOWN ones questioning him are long-term early hardcore supporters of Ron Paul from the beginning.

And one thing you can be sure of is if Rand would have pulled his filibuster stunt on Bush Jr. then the exact same neocons praising Ron now would be MUCH nastier than McCain and Graham have been with Rand.

It is nothing more than a partisan political stunt. Rand is completely disposable to them. And if Rand ever openly threatens the neocons desire for continued wars, protection of Israel and big govt then he will be destroyed and tossed aside.

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I am sorry

I see so many on here claiming that DPers are really infiltrated by some clandestine group supporting the NEOCON Rand, so I assumed wrongly and feel like as "ass"umed.

-Matthew Good

No need to apologize...

this is a heated political discussion. And besides, I did not precisely enough clarify who I was talking about. :p

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I am a longtime NEOCON?

I support Rand Paul for President, and I have never been a neocon. I am 26. When I was 20 I heard about Ron. I agreed with him and he made me passionate about politics. So what do you do when you are passionate about something? You act. I acted. My parents were informed and they acted. We were all sent to the Republican Texas State Convention as delegates the first year. Two years later, I returned to the state convention as an alternate. Then two years after that I returned for the second presidential bid of Ron Paul as a delegate.

I have been a libertarian with anarcho-capitalist leanings since I was 19. I do not know your scale of "longtime" but please "Stop the group character smears" like the one you used "are all longtime NEOCONS." and Thanks! ;-)

-Matthew Good

Anyone who is a long time supporter of Ron Pauls would understan

understand that we are all INDIVIDUALS and not a collective. So why do you feel the need to label people neocons and others as long term supporters of Ron Paul

The Biggest Rand Paul fan happens to be RON PAUL himself. So what? Are you going to call him a neocon next?

And stop calling people names it makes you look weak

"Get a grip and stop the

"Get a grip and stop the group character smears and vague baseless guilt-by-association. "

lol for irony

Really so you think I am a

Really so you think I am a longtime neocon? LOL! Maybe you ought to look at my history and how Long I have been here as opposed to you...

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I am not the cult of rand. I

I am not the cult of rand. I would support Rand if the gop nominates him. If the gop does not nominate Rand Paul. Then the dems will win in 2016. ps if the gop candidate is not 100% for legal marijuana medical or personal. Then they will not win the swing state of colorado= election loss. promise

Ron Paul 2016

Neither am I. I believe the

Neither am I. I believe the elections are rigged but if Rand can somehow win the presidency (unlikly IMO) I am all for giving him a shot. Who else would we prefer who might remotely have a shot?

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I could really care less

I could really care less about electability and who wins the "game".. I care about the message and staying true to it. If you decide the people that feel the same way I do are "shills" then so be it.

It seems the "neocons" are actually the ones that are pushing Rand onto this movement. Haven't you noticed ever since the Romney endorsement that Hannity and crowd are all cheery about Rand without EVER mentioning his father or Libertarian ideas... Think about that.

Haven't you noticed that Rand has ALWAYS voted in favor of sanctions and has said he would in the future.

Did you just notice the news of how he voted in favor of the NDAA? And please don't bring up the Feinstein bill that was put into it like that was some great chess move because a compromise of liberty is something I will never excuse.

That's not a Libertarian stance on war, more so a conservative republican's.. That's what he is. A Conservative REPUBLICAN.

I don't vote for people, I vote for principle and he just lost my vote.

So protecting the 5th

So protecting the 5th Amendment putting the president on notice he does not have the right to kill Americans without due process and to not be droned to death are not libertarian ideas? Look I understand Rush and Hannity are opportunists. My point is if we are not willing to take a single step toward liberty unless we get everything we want in one felled swoop then we might as well get the guns out and start shooting or bow down and kiss the feet of our oppressors...

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Compromising one right for

Compromising one right for another IS bowing down and kissing their feet. It's like asking someone, "hey, i'll be your slave if you give me steak for dinner". It's still theft of my natural born rights no matter how you try to spin it and make it sound heroic..

We should be saying HELL NO! You don't bargain with my natural given rights! We can't let people cross that line once because then they'll just do it again.

It's not like we're talking about state taxes or something.. We're talking about whether or not human beings can be killed without just cause and be taken out because they won't follow the empires rules. Come on let's be honest here.. What will you compromise next?

I don't advocate violence at all. I'm saying that just as Ron Paul did it, so can we...

What right am I compromising

What right am I compromising in standing up for the 5th? Where was the compromise in Rand standing up for the 5th and Getting the President to admit he does not have the right to kill Americans without due process? That was a major step forward where this criminal administration has trampled rights from day one.

Do I believe they will keep their word? Of course not but now millions of Americans are aware of this and will know when they break it. And it has set the stage for the masses to start thinking about if it is right to kill Americans or any non combatant on foreign soil too. But know you guys don't want to take any steps forward unless you can have it all...

You guys are like a starving man refusing a piece of bread and a glass of milk unless he can have a stake dinner to go with it... Sigh!

Wars are not won in a single battle it takes a lot of little battles and many of them are lost before you can win the war. Your guys strategy is to stay off the battle field and hope for a miracle...

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I don't know what your

I don't know what your beliefs are personally, but for me it's a compromise to allow a politician to vote for sanctions against a country (we ALL know that sanctions are an act of war) and then praise him because he did something else you agree with. I don't work that way. If I was that way then I could go ahead and vote Romney or Obama too. Obama believes in separation of church and state and Romney said he would audit the fed, so I should back them.. Might as well agree with this article here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/03/why-mitt-romney-is... It's the same argument.

"You guys are like a starving man refusing a piece of bread and a glass of milk unless he can have a stake dinner to go with it... Sigh!"

Your analogy is worded wrong.. It's more like a man that would sacrifice his principles for a plate of food... I'm sorry, but I'd rather starve to death, but that's just me.

A Truism For You...

The 'Cult of Rand' resides and thrives on this forum.

I suspect that if 'a purist' who was 100% dead-nuts consistent on Liberty and on the Constitution came along, you would reject him and support a 'Rand' over that person due to your perceived expediency and the old 'he is electable' mantra.

Project much, acolyte?

Ok fatuous so what's your

Ok fatuous so what's your plan? Just stick to the message and maybe in 30 years we might triple our numbers and the global elite will still be running the world and have stamped out freedom all together?

Brilliant...Sigh!

No thanks I'll take a shot at working with what we have to work with. It does not make me a follower or a compromiser it makes me a realist that we are surrounded and outnumbered by the masses of people who have little or no concept of liberty and like it or not the majority does dictate the type of society we live in by their action or inaction and we have to deal with them...

I'd rather try and move them a step or two in the direction of liberty then sit back throw stones and hope for war where the outcome is uncertain and would set us back at least a century.

If it comes to war I will fight for liberty but as long as there are any peaceful means of moving forward I will try those first. Maybe someday humanity can make a change for the better without a goddamned war... I am not holding my breath with stubborn blind idealism attitudes such as yours. The real world is far different then the one you think you live in.

It's easy to just sit back on the internet and say yeah let's just kill all the bastards and then we will have liberty but I am afraid it is not that simple and naive at best to think that.

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Asked and Answered

Likely you will either not grasp it or you will scurry away from the bright light which makes it hard for guys like you to find cover.

Why support anyone? Its

Why support anyone? Its about spreading the message.

You support someone because

You support someone because it takes work to get elected.

Exactly! You vote for policy,

Exactly! You vote for policy, not the person.

"If he turns out to be a

"If he turns out to be a sellout, then we are no better off then we are"

You see, thats where, respectfully, i disagree, and i suspect others who are'nt sure on rand may feel the same, i think that would completely negate the progress we make, and a very real potential to twist people againt liberty, liberty thoughts bouncing off castle walls, where there was only a tent before a betrayal.......COME ON ...YOU KNOW how the status quo and media WILL PLAY THAT..........

No one is saying not to show support in the ways your able, just saying its a long road, and there is ample time to give your trust, give support, if you support it, but hold your trust, let them earn that through actions, which, yes, for bringing the drone conversation to the public, rand should get his dues, but not our undying trust, not yet.......

Im not cautious of the amount of support this got, im overjoyed, its just some of the comments (i jest, but) proclaiming rand the second coming, if thats not trust, i dont know what is

sorry to you folks, i dont mean to offend, hope ive not, but there is a urge to explain this, and i recognise the same concern in other peoples comments, this is not a neo con shill job, its a cautionary tale from you fellow liberty lovers

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And of course the shills have woken up

Gotten their coffee. Clocked in for the day.

And begin to swarm (literally swarm) with down votes on all posts that are true and right.

I want to ask them..."So what is it like to make a dishonest living?"

But yeah...no mind...it usually not worth asking...as they are so brainwashed and conditioned themselves...they wouldn't know an honest living if it was staring them in the face.

~Chris
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Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

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The Hegelian Dialictic

Of "divide and conquer"...works every time after a few agents provocateur and then just plain ole' paid government or corporate (no difference really) COINTELPRO disinformation specialists get into the mix.

It never ceases to amaze me how often this is done. It happened to the Tea Party. It happened to the Occupy Movement.

It was a tactic used to break up anti-war and civil rights groups in the '60s.

They are certainly at work trying to do it in the so called Liberty Movement, as well.

Learn to recognize it, and you will be fine. Use LOGIC with them...and you shut off their arguments...which are always some sort of spin or fallacy or red herring.

Its fun.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.