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Typical: All 5 Sunday talk shows interview Jeb Bush; no Rand

On the plus side, all 5 shows discussed Rand and the filibuster.




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If it is JEB v HILLARY in 2016

We had ALL better get our butts in gear and work local/state. That way all of our eggs will be in our own baskets :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

LibertyIsRising

YOU ARE NOT REALLY A PAUL SUPPORTER RIGHT?

Serious??? NO WAY A BUSH / PAUL TICKET!

Oh, there is one reply.

You are not really an observer of the political process of this country, are you? Seriously, I think they may try to cram a Paul / (fill in the name of THEIR Golden Boy) ticket. That is how they operate. But thank you for at least indicating that type of compromise won't fly for you. It does not fly for me, either, but there are people here that I am not sure would not take the bait.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

A Paul / Bush ticket?

Would that fly with the Rand supporters? What about a Bush / Paul ticket?

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Seriously, seven down votes and not one reply?

Even asking you to look down the road and consider what devilry they may have planned is unacceptable? And no one will answer the question? I'll answer: If Rand makes THAT compromise, I am out.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Washington burns. Militia Takes Over From Regular US Army. 1814

2013. Jeb "Usual Suspect" Bush lined up. May this "Usual Suspect" ballooned up... Stormed home on the next Hurricane and/or tornado. No sale for Bush Wars.

Hearken back 200 years ago, Washington DC. What is President Madison to do? Washington burning. US Government in Disarray. British Regulars (all the King's horses & all the King's men) march on Fort Henry, but can't put it back together again.

200 Year Ago Today. British Driven From Washington DC By Hurricane, 1814. Act of God turns War Of 1812.

Time ___ Film Reel Notes
6:00 Washington DC burns, 1814. US Regular Army in disarray.
Hurricane blows & drenches British Army & Navy. Tornado wreaks havoc on looting & plundering Washington DC capitol. British War Party soaking wet. British take their booty (including President Madison's love letters to Dolly). March onto Baltimore.

7:00 Militia of the City of Baltimore, Maryland calls to arms. "The horrible mismanagement of Washington [DC] has taught us [the Militia] a valuable lesson. We would be stupid if we don't make use of it." Baltimore Militia readies to repel British [Army] Regulars marching on Fort Henry, Baltimore.

8:00 Sam Smith, Baltimore Militia leader appointed to take over command of the Regular US Army. Regular officer objects. Sam Smith orders the US Army Commanding Officer, "I'm telling you how cabbage gets chewed." Fort Henry, 1814. Sam Smith commands, "Through the night... for the land of the free & home of the brave."
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(Usual Suspects stunned. Defeated. Went home in tatters.)

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

The GOP has a track record of running losing candidates

Ford, Dole, Romney all come to mind. I can't imagine the American people electing another Bush as president, no matter how many times the MSM repeats the name.

I think the biggest reason

I think the biggest reason they could get voted back in is the 'terms' between them. You'd be amazed how easily people 'forget' about a president's term after they've been out of office a while. Maybe we'll never see a 'Bush' elected back to back 4 terms, but it's likely as you point out, is people 'forget'.

So between the two

who would you forecast the winner?

W has been out, but hillary resigned right after Rand reamed her a new one.

This is one whacky world, and the sheeple eat it up :-O

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

LibertyIsRising

They saw Rand masterfully

They saw Rand masterfully reach out and grab hold of their base and are scared so of course they are trotting out there neocon pick for the presidency to try and counter him.

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It looks like Joel Skousen may be correct in his assessment

In his World Affairs Brief (www.worldaffairsbrief.com November 30, 2012) Joel Skousen predicted that the establishment may pick Jeb Bush as the Republican nominee for 2016. Here's the portion of that issue dealing with that where he quotes Salon.com and his comments are in [brackets] within that quote. Joel tends to be correct in these type assessments. Be aware that Joel was not a Romney supporter and has heavily promoted Ron Paul from day one:

BEGIN TEXT:

2016 ELECTION MEDIA PICKS: ANYONE BUT ROMNEY

Something quite extraordinary has surfaced recently in the way kingmakers select candidates for a future election. Normally, they wait until a couple of years prior to begin promoting the slate they want. This time, it happened a couple of weeks after the recent election. In the past two election cycles, Mitt Romney has thrown a monkey wrench into Kingmaker’s plans by inserting himself into a closed election process that doesn’t like uninvited guests. So, last week the establishment media started their propaganda campaign two years early, listing all the top contenders for the 2016 Republican nomination—and Mitt Romney, with the now highest name recognition and visibility of any candidate, is nowhere to be found. I predicted just that in the briefs—that the powers that be (PTB) couldn’t stop a Romney candidacy in 2012, but they went all out to make sure he didn’t win, so they could dismiss him as a loser and be rid of him for good.

Romney and Obama had lunch Thursday in the White House. “In their first meeting since the election, Obama and the Republican nominee are to meet in the White House's private dining room Thursday, fulfilling a promise Obama made in his victory speech the night of Nov. 6.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Obama had no specific agenda for the meeting, but he said the president would like to discuss Romney's ideas for making government more efficient.”

Rumors surfaced that Romney is angling for a cabinet level position, but I doubt he’ll get it—even if in a fairly non-politicized roll, if there is such a thing anymore. The PTB don’t want Romney to get any more notoriety. They want him to simply go away—and a high level position in government doesn’t serve that purpose.

For Romney’s part, he’s simply following the recommendations of his advisors to appear bipartisan and non-bitter about the loss. He didn’t even come close to challenging all the obvious vote fraud, as his advisors kept pushing him to take the ‘high ground’ —which in this case is the path of non-resistance to evil.

I think I’ve also discovered how I think they rigged the election against Romney beyond the obvious and widespread vote registration fraud by Democrats. In looking at the election figures, one thing has always bothered me—the claims that there was a reduced turnout, compared to 2008. Millions less voted, they claim.

However, this election was far more contested than 2008 when Republicans had a lackluster and distrusted John McCain running. There’s no way there would have been less enthusiasm this time around. Obama was running on change last time, and the Republicans had all but worn out their welcome in Washington. Now people were screaming for real change, and they claim millions less showed up at the polls.

What we probably saw was vote manipulation at the tally end this year, where states send their vote tallies into national based counting houses—the same ones run by foreign corporations. It’s a pretty simple task to eliminate numbers at that level, and as long as no one requests a manual recount, who would know? But the overall figures are suspicious.

Looking forward to 2016, here are the media picks according to Salon.com, echoed by many others:

Marco Rubio:

“If you had to pick an early favorite for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination - and we've still got a [long] way to go - you very well could go with the first-term Florida senator and former Florida House Speaker. A politically-savvy Tea Party favorite who offered a well-received keynote speech at the Republican National Convention, the Cuban-American Rubio has been cited as the GOP's best chance to connect with the fast-growing Latino voting bloc that broke overwhelmingly against Mitt Romney earlier this month.”

“Rubio has been circulating a draft immigration reform bill that party leaders hope will help bring Latinos and young voters into the GOP fold without alienating the party's older, rural, white voter base. For the most part, however, Rubio argues that the GOP can win without altering its basic positions: He echoes Romney's support for lower taxes and reduced regulations but says that the GOP outlook can be articulated in a way that better connects with minority groups and the middle class.” [We must also remember the most notable change in Rubio this year—his emergence as a neocon on foreign policy, giving a saber rattling speech at Brookings, a prime globalist venue. I think he’s too green to be president, but they may run him as a VP].

Chris Christie

“On paper, Chris Christie is all wrong for the GOP [and not just on paper]: The New Jersey governor's moderate [read: liberal] views on social issues don't play well with the party's longtime base, and the fact that he is a white male doesn't help at a time when the party is trying to reach female and minority voters. Yet Christie brings to the table something most in his party do not: An everyman appeal that has allowed him to thrive in a blue state. There are not a lot of Republicans who could offer up a natural, winning performance on ‘Saturday Night Live,’ but Christie pulled off that feat with apparent ease [that’s because he has the gift of gab, and is hard driving yet obese—signs that should warn people this is an untrustworthy guy with many internal conflicts]

“Christie has managed to win over conservatives with a confrontational approach toward teachers unions and other adversaries [yes, this posturing fools conservatives every time—mostly because they are so used to never having a powerful spokesman], but he has also cannily shown a bipartisan streak (most notably in his post-Sandy embrace of President Obama) that has kept him from being dismissed by moderates [liberals] as a right-wing ideologue. A group of Wall Street-aligned Republican donors aggressively pushed Christie to enter the 2012 race, and he is likely to have significant financial support if he jumps into the race in 2016. (In the meantime, he faces a potential reelection fight next year.)

“What's not clear is whether Christie, who likes to speak off the cuff, is disciplined enough to survive a presidential campaign process in which every comment is scrutinized as a potential gaffe [and he’s also got plenty of skeletons in the closet the PTB would have to cover up]. And it's far from certain that conservative voters drawn to Christie's style will be willing to overlook his moderate views on issues like climate change and gun control [Moderate? Good luck with those positions].

Paul Ryan

“The Wisconsin representative may have fallen short of the vice presidency in 2012, but his run gave the once-little known House Budget Committee chairman national name recognition. And he certainly seems open to leveraging it in a run for the Oval Office four years from now. In his role as Budget Committee chair, Ryan will be a major player in negotiations over avoiding the ‘fiscal cliff’ and other policy debates with the Obama administration over the next four years. With Romney seemingly poised to exit the national stage [see? That’s what they keep pushing] , the self-proclaimed policy wonk is arguably the leading spokesman for the GOP's governing agenda. And he showed in the 2012 campaign that his advocacy for dramatic cuts to entitlement programs was not necessarily the electoral albatross that some Republicans feared.

“It doesn't help Ryan, however, that he is a white male who could be seeking the nomination during a period when his party is desperately trying to improve its standing with female and minority voters [nice racial put-down showing they don’t want him either, but have to include him so their bias isn’t obvious]. And the fact that he is a longtime Washington insider [nonsense] with little executive experience could open him up to charges that he lacks the experience necessary to run the country [two put-downs compared to glowing coverage of Rubio and Bush].

Jeb Bush:

“The former Florida governor is a white guy too, of course. But the Spanish-speaking Bush, whose wife Columba was born in Mexico, has close ties to the Latino community. And he has long been pushing for his party to ‘stop acting stupid’ and moderate its tone and hard line on immigration. ‘You have to deal with this issue,’ he told CBS News' Charlie Rose earlier this year, arguing for a path to citizenship or residency that he said ‘does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives [yes, indeed].’

“That's not the only area where the center-right Bush has broken with his party - He also broke with his party's staunch opposition to raising tax rates, saying that he would have supported a hypothetical deal which included ten dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in additional revenue.

“Bush's last name had been expected to be something of a liability had he entered the 2012 race: His older brother left office just four years ago, and George W.'s post-presidency approval ratings remain low. Bush would also have had to answer uncomfortable questions about his brother's legacy. But by 2016, those questions, along with ‘Bush fatigue,’ are likely to have faded, and Americans may be willing to seriously consider another Bush in the Oval Office [this is an important comment explaining why Bush didn’t run this time and try to beat Romney for the nomination. I think he knew his chances would be better in 2016 and the PTB wanted to take this opportunity to get rid of Romney by defeating him. My assessment: I think this is the establishment favorite for president].

Nikki Haley

“The 40-year-old, Indian-American governor of South Carolina is an unflinching conservative with Tea Party support who also just happens to be a woman and a minority - a combination that has helped her rise to national prominence since she won the governorship in 2010. Like Marco Rubio, Haley largely sticks to the GOP orthodoxy of lower taxes and less regulation. Unlike Rubio, she has also stuck with [pejorative] the conservative wing of the GOP on immigration: She signed into law an anti-immigration bill that drew comparisons to the controversial Arizona legislation that set off a national debate. That could hurt her with the Latino voters who the GOP is now trying to win over after Romney's poor showing among the group earlier this month [They won’t let her be president—too conservative. However, she might make a good VP choice in order to heal hard Right conservative dissatisfaction with another Bush].

Gov. Bob McDonnell

“Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell has built up plenty of allies as chairman of the Republican Governors Association (RGA), and his military credentials and reputation for pragmatic conservatism could help him break out of what is likely to be a crowded field. Less helpful at a time that the GOP is seeking to close the gap with female voters is a 1989 thesis he authored calling working women and feminists ‘detrimental’ to the family and his onetime support for vaginal probes for women seeking an abortion. [I don’t have a lot of confidence in McDonnell. I suspect he is inclined to want to play ball with the globalists]

Gov. Bobby Jindal

“Louisiana's 41-year-old, Indian-American Gov. Bobby Jindal has built a reputation for competence while maintaining a solidly conservative record during his nearly five years in office. He has already positioned himself as a candidate to take the GOP into the future without abandoning its longstanding positions, distancing himself from Romney's claims that Mr. Obama won reelection by giving ‘gifts’ to key constituencies and arguing that ‘If we want people to like us, we have to like them first.’ [my assessment: not a chance]

Sen. Rand Paul

“Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has maintained many of the same libertarian positions as his father, outgoing Rep. Ron Paul, while forging a closer relationship with the mainstream GOP. While Paul's advocacy for a smaller U.S. military footprint and less government involvement in American lives attracts young voters who have traditionally not been drawn to the GOP, it's not clear that he could expand his father's small but passionate base of support enough to make a serious run at the nomination.[my assessment: I think Paul will be a major player and champion the Tea Party wing in 2016, but the PTB won’t let him get the nomination. If he gets into the debates, he’ll be a serious contender that will have to be quashed]

“Others in the discussion include South Dakota Sen. John Thune, whose presidential mien and fundraising prowess make him a contender, Ohio senator and former Bush administration official Rob Portman, and incoming Indiana governor and six-term congressman Mike Pence, a Tea Party-aligned Christian conservative. And despite his poor showing in the 2012 race, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a powerful fundraiser with a strong southern base, has not ruled out a run four years from now.” [My assessments: Perry just doesn’t have the speaking skills or intellect to make it no matter how much they promote him. Pence is too conservative for them. Portman and Thune may be useful to them but only if the front runners falter.]

/END TEXT

-Bloatedtoad

They will try but he wont get past the primaries even if he runs

Bushes have only credibility with the neocons and the GOP is too wounded to take a chance on Jeb. The minute they start getting push back it's over. Just like with Newt....and Hillary

Bush era is over for good

Probably But...

...I have a hunch that Rubio is a Bush family puppet. SO maybe a Bush won't be in the WH but a Bush controlled person might be.

OH I agree 100% Rubio is the Bush Puppet

He has been cozy cozy nose to nosy with Jeb Bush in Florida and has gotten the feted Bush stamp of approval. Rubio is a willing puppet much like Obama. And he is positioning himself much in the same way Obama did. Rand has to out maneuver him or we are going to end up with a Rubio puppet of little to no substance but more than willing to follow orders to cause more destruction to our constitution and sovereignty.

I've said it before and I'll

I've said it before and I'll say it again, give me control of the media, and I could have ANYONE elected! You name it, Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, etc., YES, the media is that powerful, and the worst thing is that the people voting believe they made up their own mind after hearing months and years of favorable media reporting on someone!

I'm sure most DPer's know...

that even FOX is part of the State controlled media, and therefore only supports fascists like Jeb Bush who are trying to redefine the Republican Party as the globalist socialist party. That's why patriots must continue to use the internet, letters to the editor, public access TV, and other media sources to counter globalist propaganda.

We teach athletes to compete even if the game appears to be lost, and unalienable rights are far more important than a game, so keep fighting for your rights.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.standupforyourrights.me/?p=1264 (Resist gun control)

he is plugging a book..

he is goin nowhere in 2016.

I mean really

Jeb Bush, if they prop Jeb Bush up as the GOP nominee in 2016 there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the GOP is trying to throw the election. The old school republicans I know hate the Bushes.

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

I think the Bush dynasty...

...is over.

'16 will determine whether the same can be said of the Clinton dynasty.