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Is the ACLU... Libertarian?

"The Militarization of Policing in America": http://www.aclu.org/militarization

In the past I have heard negative opinions, that they are knee-jerk liberals, radical, etc... I have to say it influenced my opinion about them without knowing much about the organization.

But the ACLU has been speaking out against the growing police state. They recently caught my attention and have written good editorials on the subject. They frequently cite the constitution and constitutional freedom.. as well as liberty.

What is the sentiment here regarding the American Civil Liberties Union? Any insights or knowledge to share?

Thanks.



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No.

No, but they pretend to be. When you really sit down and think about it, it's understandable why a big government liberal becomes what they become. They're just trying to keep the peace too.

In a country of informed people who desire peace, justice, and civility, you HAVE to pretend to advocate liberty, but we're well beyond that now. Try to imagine operating as the ACLU when a population condemns liberty; when they decide liberty is bad and beg for injustice.

I couldn't do it myself. I suppose they're trying to do what can be done. When you're surrounded by a covetous horde, even the oval office becomes a tool for evil. The ACLU is operating within that principle. People get what they deserve.

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Are you dreaming? Time to

WTF Up!

Jim

1976-1982 USMC, Having my hands in the soil keeps me from soiling my hands on useless politicians.

Examples

Not dreaming & wide awake.

The ACLU backed Rand Paul's Filibuster. Then they come out with a report on the police and the loss of liberties since 9/11 including unchecked surveilance.

That is what is confusing, I read some of it and it is a liberty message. So what is the negative. Got their info on the 2nd - you can't protect the constitution and not the 2nd. I'll accept if they are neutral but not if they are anti-2nd.

What else? - the good & the bad.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

To my knowledge...

To my knowledge, the ACLU has never stepped up to the plate over 2nd amendment issues, NEVER.

2nd Amendment Statement

From the ACLU website:

http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_drug-law...

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

Got it

That's a weakness since the 2nd is a counter to a police state.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I'm a literal card-carrying

I'm a literal card-carrying member of the ACLU. On the whole I believe they are a great organization. Of course nobody is going to agree 100% with any organization, but here are some of the reasons why I am still happy to pay my membership dues every year.

-- They have consistently fought against the worst provisions of the PATRIOT act
-- They consistently stand up for free speech, even when such speech is unpopular on the left. Examples: they defended Citizens United free speech right to criticize Hillary Clinton and the NeoNazi's right to organize.
-- Excellent on due process and criminal justice issues
-- Advocate the elimination of the death penalty
-- Excellent on 4th amendment protections and putting limits on police
-- Exposing racial discrimination as practiced by the government

I am a little less happy with the ACLU when they talk about welfare as a civil right, but on the whole I think they do a lot of good. I also greatly respect their decision to, for the most part, stay out of the gun control debate.

Interesting

Why is "Card-carrying ACLU member" often used in the negative?

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

I'm not sure. I think a lot

I'm not sure. I think a lot of people associate the ACLU with socialism / communism / anti-theism.

So what you...

So what you are saying is that the right to self defense is not a civil right.

Hummmm.

Interesting.

No. The ACLU has made a

No. The ACLU has made a decision not to get involved with the second amendment, and that's fine with me. In my opinion, it's better they leave the second amendment to another group and focus on the other causes, rather than take a position on the second amendment which will drive a wedge in its constituency and decrease its funding.

You might not agree, and think that it should take a position on the second amendment regardless of what it would do to its ability to work in other areas, but that doesn't seem like a good reason to vote someone's post down.

yup

i'd rather them stay out of it rather than advocate control.

i like your take on it though.

It's a Group

Like any group, the individuals have a mix of values.

They have been on the correct side of many civil liberties. Sometimes, however, they behave like statists.

You just have to look at the individual actions taken.

They would make a great ally defending many of our freedoms, especially in the area of free speech and the right to protest.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

They were a great

They were a great organization in the 1920s, and did great work to protect the consciences of conscientious objectors. Now they're mostly a pack of leftist thugs.