17 votes

Noam Chomsky: The Presumption of Innocence

http://youtu.be/o63EjNGGe3A

The Amazing Rise and Fall of the Presumption of Innocence
by Jan Wellman | Nation of Change

Anyone Heard Of Presumption Of Innocence?

The most bizarre part of Section 1021(b)(2) of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) is that almost no one has heard about it.

And whoever has heard about it, doesn’t want to talk about it.

It’s almost as if someone took Dr. Goebbels’ “The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed” –dictum and mutated it into a 21st century super weapon:

“Tell the truth, but make it so shocking that no one wants to hear about it.”

No one wants to hear about the military having the power to detain you on American soil, without due process, indefinitely, at the discretion of the President. It sounds too Stalin. It reeks of conspiracy theory. Besides, it’s clearly unconstitutional. So let’s go get some lunch.

Continue reading at N a t i o n o f C h a n g e




Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

I focus on specific issues I

I focus on specific issues I agree with, not necessarily the person speaking or accepting their entire ideology per say. This tendency of mine is opposite of what most people have been taught, to dismiss everything one says based on the particular person speaking. That is the main tool of the divide and conker strategy, to dismiss the most amount of people and their intelligent observations by focusing on who they are.

Chomsky articulates this particular issue quite well and relieves me of having to articulate this position all the time.

indeed--

some of *us* can do that; others can't.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I agree with

I agree with approximately 25% of what Chomsky says and stands for. Here is a decent example of him talking about issues I agree with.

I'll save my attacks for when he advocates the 30% that I strongly disagree with. Or keep my eyes from rolling, hands from face-palming when he preaches the contradictory government involvement that has caused the very same unintended problems that nearly all of humanity does not support.

How can Comrade Chomsky

be so intelligent but have such a retarded understanding of how economics work? Yes jes gots ta wonda. Here is Noam on Ron Paul

Chomsky parrots

here like the career CIA clerk, Michael Schreur: "9/11 was motivated by Israeli policies." 1) Those who accept this cannot accept that Zionists did 9/11; 2) Preparations for 9/11 took three years (visas, flight schools, etc.) In 1997/98 socialist government of Israel offered Yasser Arafat 90% of West Bank, Gaza and half of Jerusalem. The relationship between Arabs and Palestinians were better than at ANY time in their history.

After I emailed directly to Ron Paul following his debate (depicted in the video), the doctor never made this mistake again.

Nome Chumpsky...

openly talks about living in Israel while in his 20's and participating in the removal of legitimate Palestinian landowners, a.k.a., ethnic cleansing. Many of his books like "The Manufacture of Consent" do a good job describing the methodology of tyrants, but then he advocates for socialist fascism like that implemented in Israel.

So I recommend listening to his presentation on the presumption of innocence, but don't be seduced by the socialist alternatives he suggests, or as the author of the post says, decide the truth is too ugly so go out to lunch and forget about it.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

I didn't downvote you, and I'm disappointed to . . .

hear this--

he has no regrets for having done that? What a terrible disappointment--

I guess I had just heard him speak on a few things--

and those things impressed me. Yes, I know he is weak on economics--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

did you just say that?

Nome Chumpsky?

Gnome Chomspsy gnome sayin?

Gnome saying home o you jus playin...

Gnome sayin? Gnome sayin? Gnome sayin?

South is the new way up! Major trend for 2014: Latin America. Start checking out South American investment, it's part of our future now.

Thanks for pointing out...

the correct spelling. I was just coming back to edit my comment. Really. Gnome Chumpsky, yeah, that's the one. Just sayin, much of what the Gnome says has value, but don't get chumped by his socialist ideas.

Sorry about the duplicate comments below, my mouse seems to have a mind of it's own.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

why are people negging you?

mysteries....

South is the new way up! Major trend for 2014: Latin America. Start checking out South American investment, it's part of our future now.

Thanks for pointing out...

the correct spelling. I was just coming back to edit my comment. Really. Gnome Chumpsky, yeah, that's the one. Just sayin, much of what the Gnome says has value, but don't get chumped by his socialist ideas.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Thanks for pointing out...

the correct spelling. I was just coming back to edit my comment. Really. Gnome Chumpsky, yeah, that's the one. Just sayin, much of what the Gnome says has value, but don't get chumped by his socialist ideas.

http://www.dailypaul.com/277342 (Rand Paul: One person can make a difference)
http://www.StandUpForYourRights.me/?p=1264 (Fast and Furious hearing)

Noam Chomsky

is anarcho-socialist/syndicalist. Yes, he defends civil liberties to the point that he eagerly advocates sending Pentagon troops around the world as soon as the wise central planners decide who is the true victim - Kosovo, East Timor, South Sudan, etc.

Chomsky's overall damage to freedom is enormous since he has been corrupting generations of Americans arguing against capitalism.

????

Kosovo:
http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Military-Humanism-Lessons/dp/1...
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/200005--.htm
http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20060425.htm

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/09/09/book-review-a-n...

Regarding his arguing against capitalism: Are opposing to peaceful political arguments in a democracy?

Most people have never even heard of Noam Chomsky....

Is it not interesting to reason about that some political/economic system could be better than capitalism? Or "state capitalism" as Chomsky calls it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFxYyXGMfZM

I was naive

thinking von Mises had put an end to idle longing for Utopia and confusion between capitalism and "mixed economy" (interventionism, corporatism, progressivism, imperialism, etc..)

I am here to learn.

Can you point to good examples of working Mises-ean economies? Rather than forms of state capitalism.

Can you point

to me any religious person or collectivist who uses his rational faculty consistently? Capitalism, as economic basis of free society, comes from reason. Reason was the motivating factor of the Enlightenment and the founding fathers. People (majority) who operate under irrational morality (based on sacrifice for common good or universal neighbor) or inconsistent irrational thinking (based on emotions, envy, resentment, humility, beer, drugs, miracles, equating eating sh{i}t in gay bathhouses with normal human behavior, etc) can NOT maintain a free society for long.

So the answer is obvious, humans did not live up to the standards of a fully rational man yet. Capitalism had never been implemented 100%. But what was implemented had demostrated its potential. Likewise, collectivism in form of socialism, syndicalism, corporatism, progressivism, fascism had demostrated itself well enough.

As long as government is separated from economy (monopoly on money, redistribution of wealth, etc), it loses its tyrannical ability.

Hey Chomsky!

Did you happen to vote for Obama? Just ask'n.

always like to hear what Noam Chomsky has to say--

I'll bookmark for later, since I can't be on the computer right now--

Thank you--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I know that he did that, but . . .

I give him leeway, as I give Dr. Paul leeway--

the fact is that I don't believe 'savage' is a bad word--

Dr. Paul's ideas ARE radical--

the fact is, I'll let you in on a little secret--LOL! . . .

Dr. Paul and Dr. Chomsky are both ornery old men who want to know and seek the truth--

and I believe that they might step on each other's toes--

a bit of a turf war, so to speak. Dr. Paul doesn't even mention Noam Chomsky--

two grumpy old men who have tried to take on the world, each in his own way--

and the world is better for both of them.

Dr. Chomsky faces the truth that implementing Dr. Paul's ideas would be very difficult for people to do--

it is true; *we* all know that; there are many of *us* who want that, even if it IS hard--

but *we* know it would be hard anyway--

Dr. Paul has joined forces with other ornery old men who are 'progressives'--

he respects men with principles; Dr. Chomsky has principles.

If I were to choose which man I would rather spend an hour with, however, make no mistake about it, it would be Dr. Paul.

But Chomsky has a good mind and a good heart, and there are far too few of those around--

:(

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Here's another gem

Here's another gem http://climate-connections.org/2013/03/11/can-civilization-s...

It wouldn't be precise to say I "like" to hear this nonsense, but he is good on some things.

Washington, DC NW

Excellent interview. Thank

Excellent interview. Thank you for posting.

You're most welcome.

You're most welcome.

This is what I posted in

This is what I posted in another thread without knowing you started this one.

I know Noam Chomsky is usually not popular around here (! ? :) )
Submitted by neurocolls on Mon, 03/11/2013 - 16:03. Permalink
I just listened to these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o63EjNGGe3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0-bWbFf-k

But I would like to add the following (older one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SewlKDMFR4
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EW-EtVF36A

Well........................o

Well........................okay then. Thank you.