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Could We All Share The Same Soul?

I've never been inclined to believe in reincarnation, but I've read that there is a lot of good evidence that reincarnation is possible. (http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm)

I read an essay called "The Egg" by Andy Weir and it blew my mind. It essentially states the possibility that we could all be the same person reincarnated over and over. Karma?

It's quite an amazing idea that I would be fascinated to hear anyone's thoughts and opinion.

You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup,” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

“Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be all right?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. You wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”

You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.
- Andy Weir



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No.7's picture

Good stuff, thanks for sharing

This theory makes as much sense as anything else I've ever heard and the implications of it leveled me. I believe in Karma but this puts Karma on a whole new level.

"The point is to love yourself, then you can love brother as self, and judge not one's brother, but to judge his behavior as Godly, or non-Godly, and to set the example for one's brothers in a God-like fasion."

That's brilliant my friend, very brilliant.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Thank you sir,

Usually I get the eyeroll and an uh-huh (lol), but I'm glad you liked it.

Sounds New Age-y

Taoist/Eastern Orthodox sympathizer here, and it sounds a bit "far out" for me...I have little doubt that we are all threaded with the "golden power" of God, but I don't think that necessarily means we're all literally the same people...that spanks of "I am God, and so are You!", didn't Colbert write a book like that? :-P

No.7's picture

I'll admit it is pretty far out there... maaaaaannnnn

lol.
Still though, the idea is fascinating. I have no evidence or reason to discredit or way to disprove the theory of the egg.

In whole, the theory is that the universe and our soul's are God's egg. Basically that our soul and collective consciousnesses are an infant God to be God's companion after the universe returns to dust or becomes a black hole.

I don't pray to others or any new age far out stuff lol. I just thought it was a very interesting idea that I wanted to discuss with the brilliant people on this site.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

That would be as

attractive as share the same underwear.

No.7's picture

lol, What kind of underwear?

lmao

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

No.

We're bound by what we're made of, star stuff. We are tied to the universe through the laws of physics.

No train to Stockholm.

No.7's picture

We know that our physical selves are as you say

We are tied to the universe through the laws of physics in the physical world. That's why they call it physics.

As far as the spiritual world goes, very little is certain including the existence of the spiritual world.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Personally

I think the spiritual realm is just a science we just haven't discovered yet. Divorcing science and spirituality has been a disservice to both, imho. Granted, I don't know whether or not science can give us the answer to "why", but it can help us with the "how". And the better we understand the "how", the closer we come to discovering the "why".

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

I think it's an interesting question

First I think it would be necessary to know what one if referring to as 'soul'. We tend to use the word in the context of 'my' soul and 'your' soul. The interesting thing about this context is that it implies an 'owner' of soul. 'My' soul, is like my car, my house, my body. Within this way of thinking is an inherent division, there is 'you' as the owner of 'that'. It brings to mind the question of 'my' thoughts, is there a Thinker that is thinking thoughts or is there only thinking? Thought is the accumulation of experience in the form of knowledge retrieved as memory. It is a process like a computer, knowledge is the scar of experience on the brain. Experience is limited and so knowledge is limited and so thought is limited. With this limited tool the brain tries to understand 'new' things, this it cannot do fully for it is constructed by and limited to it's particular experiences. All physical things are limited, once something exists physically it begins to deteriorate, that which has a beginning has an end.

The reason I bring all this up is because if there is 'soul' it would have to be of a different nature than that of physical existence. It would have to have no beginning and no ending. Therefore it would be absent of time, time is movement, and so it would have the nature of stillness. If it does exist it would have the nature of space, but not the type of limited space that every physical thing needs to exist. It would also have to be something that is current, some that is existing now. The question is: can the human mind touch or have contact with such an existence. I think it may...and this is why:

Currently the brain uses thought as its tool for understanding. Thought as I said is the process of experience being retained as knowledge which is retrieved as memory. This is the movement of thought. Thought, being a function of the physical brain has space as all things that exist do, but the space of thought is inherently limited by its content. Time is movement, and thought is the movement of the brain, thought is time. At first glance thought seems unlimited, for we are forever accumulating knowledge throughout our lives, each of us accumulating different knowledge from different experiences. But thought IS limited, for it is the result of experience which is inherently limited. I will try to get to the point.

What is the mind that is absent of thought? Thought being movement, thought being time, thought filling the mind with it's inherent limitation, thought being the noise of the brain. In the absence of thought there would be stillness, timelessness, limitlessness, silence, space without a boundry. Is the mind the same as the brain, is it physical? It is true that if the brain is damaged, the mind is damaged. But is the brain the tool for the mind as thought is the tool for the brain? When one speaks of soul, is one speaking of this state of the brain that has access to mind, is this what one refers to as spiritual, that which exists outside of and thus is not limited by the physical? I think it just may be.

And so how is one to access this 'mind'? Surely thought cannot touch it, for all the reason explained above. But what about 'observation'. Must one think about what one observes, isnot the observing brain still alive,and yet not thinking, describing, analysing etc? There may be soul...but it will not be touched by thought.

Enonesoch

I prefer the paradigm that we

I prefer the paradigm that we are all a fragment of God: He/She/It sees through all of us at all times and experience Existence through us. He/she brings us light, yet we also deliver light back (and plenty of darkness too...) It's highly poetic and esoteric, but I suspect it's true.

No.7's picture

That's probably why monks don't talk

What they call enlightenment could be what you would call accessing the mind. Getting the voice in your head to stop, and having complete silence in you brain.

Our thoughts are what separate us from other mammals. It's very plausible that our thoughts are synonymous with our souls.

You made a great point when you said that our souls would have distinctly different characteristics than things in physical world we know.

With all this information, I still think the theory of "the egg" is plausible and thought provoking at the least.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Yes

It's kind of a catch22, if to try to silence thought, thought has been activated. Thought is the effort of the mind to achieved a result. Only thought can want something it does not have, it has the ability to project ideas of the 'better' and the 'more' due to its ability to imagine. That is why 'observation' seems to be all we can do. One can observe how one is trying to silence the mind for example. I forgot to mention that thought is obviously a natural and necessary function of the brain. It is the foundation of science and technology, we must know our name, where we live, we must be able to function in society. But thought is the movement of the mind 99% of the time, this gives no space for the other. And the other may have to do with kindness, caring, thoughtfullness, love, joy, giving and sharing, peacefulness and so on. Mankind has become hard, brutal, self-centered, angry, jealous, hateful, thoughtless, we are like robot running on a cyclical program. It goes back to the begining, our parent didn't touch mind, our teachers didn't touch mind, our friends didn't touch mind, and their parents and teachers didn't touch mind, and their parents and teacher and so on and so on. It begins with the first authority, the authority of thought. Thought has created the Thinker, the owner of thoughts. It has created the Observer, the 'thing' that observes. it is an illusion created by thought out of insecurity. Thought knows it will die, and so it has created the illusion of a permenant 'me', a 'self'. It is the thing that gets 'hurt' when someone calls you a mean name.

Enonesoch

Hmm, interesting...

Definitely something to roll around in my head for a while. I believe we're all one at least in some sense. I don't know if that means only one soul or many souls that are all part of something larger. Though at the moment I'm leaning towards the latter. And as far as reincarnation goes, I've always thought that to true. The whole "one'n'done" idea never made sense to me. Always seemed to me to be an attempt by man to attach the material self to the soul, an ego sort of thing.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. :)

I'm reaching up and reaching out.
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out.

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We could be a whole family of souls

Growing here on God's egg.

Reincarnation has always been a fascinating subject for me, but I've had no reason to believe it was true. Now there is good scientific evidence that points to reincarnation. It revolves mostly around young children recalling past lives. That's definitely the kind of thing that a manipulative parent could get their kids to say, but there are many many many kids saying it.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Old No.07 J.D.

I thought your were strictly "christian"?

No.7's picture

No, I've called myself that because I believe in Christ

But I do not believe that Christ is the only way to God. I refuse to believe that billions of other people are forsaken because their parents taught them to read the wrong book and go to the wrong church.

I also don't believe in the theory in "the egg" but it is very interesting and I can't say it isn't true. It's quite a fascinating idea if you think about it.

I've come to believe in Christ, the Cosmological argument for God's existence, the credibility of the Gospel and Paul's letters, and that God created us all free. That is part of what inspires me to learn and try to help this movement. I feel like I should try to do my best to preserve and protect the liberty God endowed in me.

Some people would call me a deist, others call me agnostic, some say I'm Christian, I really honestly don't know what religious label I fall under. The one thing I know for sure is that I'm a sinner.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Thanks for sharing all that.

We are all on a journey here. I am not the same person I was when I joined the DP. I have learned a lot and continue to learn.

At it's core what is a "sinner"?

I'm curious what makes you certain you are a one?

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To me, it means I could be better

Sin, in my mind, is when I'm neglecting to do the best thing or right thing and doing the lazy thing. Loving pleasure more than hard work, picking temptation over virtue.

I know I am capable of great accomplishment, but I neglect to be my very best sometimes. That is what I call sin.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

No.7's picture

You downvote the thread & every comment without saying anything

C'mon

It's cool if we disagree dude, let's hear it.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I think some may not have the brain power to discuss this stuff

and just down-vote out of anger/confusion

deacon's picture

sooooo????

i get to be me over and over and over and over and over??
well everyone else is taken!!! ;)
energy doesn't die,people are energy, when people die where does this go?
l believe people with the same energy patterns (colors) find each other,much the same way them so called reps find themselves
this energy can be manipulated by others,this is why we are
told to live in fear (of most things)
this is why most of things to help combat that dark energy is either illegal,or is gone
what it has been replaced with is junk and garbage,this keeps us
from hitting on all cylinders and weak.lame and impotent
the more you read,the more you learn,the more you see,changes you from the inside out,it darkens your soul (energy)
the more evil, vile things we take in changes us,and so far,i know of no way to change it back
but if i gotta be me all over again,whats the point?
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

No.7's picture

I watched a documentary where people were talking about DMT

and they all spoke of a colorful being they encountered in their mind while on the drug. They all said that this was every essence of what defines them as a human, and once they got past that, their life changed. They talk as if it's like opening a Pandora's box of contagiousness.

It sounds pretty cool but I'm too chicken to try that kind of thing lol.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

deacon's picture

never tried that

don't really want to
for me,i just know some things as truth,without having read about it
like i believe things are written into our DNA,and just needs to be pried out (remembered) is that statement a truth? maybe not for you or others,but it is for me
there have been things i just knew,like i knew i was going to be retired by the age 45,now if i knew then what i know now,i would
rebuke that thought,it just isn't what it is all cracked up to be (how it turned out)
I can see colors of people,that color to me is who they are,usually the ones i am Leery,the ones that set me off,the ones, who do not agree with me (personally) my animals do not like,and actively show it
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

No.7's picture

I had a teacher who said she could see colors in people

She called them auras. She said mine was red, and that was bad somehow. I don't really remember too many details about what she said. I thought she was crazy when I was in middle school but she could have been telling the truth.

The idea of a soul can escape me sometimes. Then again I don't really know exactly what a spirit or soul is. It's more like I have an idea of what it is based upon what other's say, but is anyone else's idea of a soul any different than mine?

Are there any first hand witnesses that can verify the existence of the soul?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

where ever I go there I am

over and over again and again

No.7's picture

I am you, and you are me

We are Barack Obama and Ron Paul...

Maybe?? Who really knows for sure?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

We're Barack Obama?

Dem's feudin' words. :P

and we are all together

ha ha ha ho ho ho hee hee hee

jrd3820's picture

Interesting Post

Thanks for the read.

“You looked around. There was nothingness.”

This is kind of how I see death; as nothingness. I kind of believe in reincarnation, but then I also kind of believe when you die, that is it. You are dead and nothingness ensues.

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
I like the idea of time traveling after death, if this theory holds true I wonder where else and who else I have already been...

“I made this whole universe for you.”
I always knew the universe was my personal playground :)

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself”
That is an important gem to take away.

Nice post. It is hard for me to truly conceptualize something like this though. I mean, how could I possibly be the same person as the people I am living with right now? We are here together, living together, and talking as I type this. Is the soul fractured then?

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss