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“People ask me, ‘How can you...not be friggin’ mad at God?' "

Where do you go when you want to tell someone something, or maybe you just want someone else to know? Alot of times the Daily Paul is one of those places for me. My sister's husband, a Pastor, is dying and there was a write-up in the Kansas City Star on Saturday. So I have attached the article below. There are also some pics and a video at the site.

My brother-in-law has an 11 year old daugher. He is the love of my sister's life. Their 2 sons are in college. Pharma couldn't do a thing for him, but he is Walking with God. Even when facing death one can experience peace and liberty!
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God’s Next Assignment for Joey Butler: dying

Despite an operation that took his left kidney, numerous treatments and trips to the University of Kansas Cancer Center and to MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, nothing worked. He has decided there will be no more treatments.

“It’s been a raging hand-to-hand combat internally with discouragement. Because you know your body is not the same. It can’t do things that you used to do...Look, I could have never orchestrated these last 14 months more perfectly with the amount of people I’ve been able to talk to,” he says. “People ask me, ‘How can you go through this heavy trial and not be friggin’ mad at God? Or scared out of your mind?’ ”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/09/4111194/gods-next-assig...

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Rightly dividing the Word of Truth...

You wrote “Yashua healed by forgiving sin.”

In actuality Jesus did both! In Mark 2 the paralytic man is first forgiven of his sins, then healed, however, in John 9 the reverse occurs.

John 9 clearly states the man was first healed of his physical malady of blindness before he was forgiven on his sins. “When he had thus spoken , he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.” John 9:6,7.

Sometime after the healing, the man came to saving faith in Christ (the forgiveness of sins), “Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, He said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen Him, and it is He that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped Him.” John 9:35-38

The axiom that God heals or prevents disease exclusively based upon the forgiveness of sins is not Scripturally accurate. Man's desire is to always tie sickness to sin.

The disciples made the classic legalistic mistake of wanting to blame illness on a persons sin in John 9, “Master, who did sin , this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.” Christian Science, Jehovah's Witness, and now the modern Word Faith movement (Osteen, Roberts, Meyer, Hagin, Copeland, etc.) continues to repeat the same error.

I have some questions

Do you think it is OK to have surgery?

The wages of sin is death.

We all sin and we all die. Sin is the transgression of the law. For instance if I tell you not to put you finger in a light socket and you do then you suffer for not listening to my advise. It is the same with God's law including His dietary laws, Holy Days and Commandments. Christianity rejects these things and when they suffer all to often they blame God. They just can't help putting their finger in the light socket so to speak.

Is it "OK" to have surgery? That question is bigger than you think. It depends on what you mean by surgery. Is pulling a splinter considered surgery? Is removing a beam from someones eye surgery? If the surgery is a result of complications from not following God's law then no it is not OK. And if it requires breaking God's law then it is not OK such as ingesting blood. Remember that the Savior healed by forgiving sins. If someone is truly repentant of sin then I believe that they can be healed. Turning to the Sorceries of this world is not the answer.

"And if I have prophecy, and know all mysteries

and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

Selah

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

What is love.

Is love agreeing with someone who is wrong just to make them feel good? Is love praising someones lawlessness? Is love perpetuating false doctrine because it is pleasing to the flesh?

"Broad and easy is the path to destruction but narrow and difficult is the way to salvation." You can choose the path that is easy and pleasing to the flesh or you can choose the path that is pleasing to God. Your choice.

Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law

I had ocassion to read Galatians today and I thought of our discussion regarding the law. Are you familiar with these scriptures?

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the free woman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty where with Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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Desire to be "under" the law.

Only the lawless are under the law. Lawful people are not under the law. Sinners do not inherit the Kingdom and sin is the transgression of the law. Do we void the law through faith? No, we establish it. The Law is our tutor so if you never learn to be lawful then you are always under the law. If you learn to be lawful then it doesn't make the law of no effect. There are many laws spoken of in Scripture but nowhere does it say that Yahwehs laws are void.

We are offered the grace of salvation under condition that we repent of our sins. How can you repent yet continue to sin. If you willfully continue in sin then you are guilty of crucifying Messiah all over again and your salvation is in jeopardy.

How can you love your neighbor as yourself yet kill him, steal from him, covet his things, adulterise with his wife or lie about him? In like manner how can you love Yahweh with all your heart, all you soul and all your mind yet set pagan worship before Him, make His Name naught, make images of what you think He, or His Son, looks like or forsake "HIS" Sabbath in preference for the day of sun worship.

How can someone say that we are no longer required to keep the law then turn around and say "you need to go to church on Sunday", "you need to tithe", "you need to keep Christmas", "you need to keep Easter", etc... many of which are against HIS LAW?

When Paul tell Timothy that Scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness he is talking about the Old Testament. Hebrews also says that those were an example for us. Messiah who is the ultimate example did not sin. Why is it that so many insist on teaching sinfulness is ok. If Galatians is telling you to live in sin then it is Galatians that you should be questioning, not me.

The idea that we can ignore His laws is the same as if you got stopped by a cop for speeding and he had grace on you and let you go. He is not giving you permission to continue speeding and when he catches you again willfully speeding then there will be no mercy the second time.

I'm not even going to get into what is meant by "the letter of the law" when you reject the law all together. I will just reiterate what I said at the beginning which is that you are not "walking with God" if you lead a sinful life and sin is the transgression of the law.

When I say "you" I use it as a general term and am not singling you out. Just for clarification. :-) I hope you do not read anger or malice into these posts.

Thank you for saying: "When

Thank you for saying:

"When I say "you" I use it as a general term and am not singling you out. Just for clarification. :-) I hope you do not read anger or malice into these posts."

I know it is difficult writing. Voice inflections are not heard and we are trying so hard to get what is in our mind down in words. I appreciate the opportunity to speak back and forth with you.
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You said: "How can you love your neighbor as yourself yet kill him, steal from him, covet his things, adulterise with his wife or lie about him? In like manner how can you love Yahweh with all your heart, all you soul and all your mind yet set pagan worship before Him, make His Name naught, make images of what you think He, or His Son, looks like or forsake "HIS" Sabbath in preference for the day of sun worship. "

That is the whole point of love. When one loves people and God one will not kill or steal or covet or take his wife or bear false witness. All of those things when sifted thru love will not be practiced.

That is why scripture says love fulfills the law:

Romans 13:10 KJV
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14 KJV
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

James 2:8 KJV
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

See the last verse. The royal law according to scripture is to love thy neighbour. It is not enough just NOT to DO things TO your neighbor. One is to LOVE their neighbour which is a POSITIVE force.

James 2:8 in context”

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill . Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye , and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled ; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

The positive force of love is the force mercy that takes care of my brother when I see him in need. It is not just that I do my neighbor no harm, it is that I exercise care for someone in need.

As far as sin and repenting of sin the New Testament, the New Covenant, declares the works of the flesh:

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Take heed:

Galatians 4:31-5:1 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bond woman, but of the free. 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free , and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

The yoke of bondage is represented by the bond woman which is the law under which we are not to be under bondage but rather we are to fulfill the law with pro-active love.

Paul was having to deal with this very issue of being under the law:

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth , crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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You are saying half of what I just said.

That is the point Bear. If you love then you don't steal, murder, covet, etc... your neighbor or his things. How can you if you love. How can you harm. You point that out well.

You will not harm your neighbor unless you don't know it's wrong to steal or covet. And that is where the rub is. Everyone has no problem relating to the fleshly meaning of those Commandments. But to Walk With God spiritually is the same thing. We must know what His method and preference is. The problem is that people do not know nor teach what is right in the worship of GOD.

God says "do not worship any god before Me" and every one hears it and says they believe it yet they don't do it. When they worship they worship according to some other gods (mans) command and say it is worship of the true GOD. If you believe in the Commandments then how can you only uphold five of them? And if you do good but give the credit to someone else then how is that honoring our GOD?

Do only Christians or Jews do good for their neighbors? No. Even the most ardent atheist can believe in doing good to others. What is suppose to set us apart is who we credit for our good works and deeds but unfortunately Christianity gives credit to Saturnalia, Ishtar, Tammuz, the Sun, the Pope and other false gods and false worship. Imagine if you gave me a donation for a worthy cause and I gave it in Barack Obamas name instead.

Doing good is a good thing but doing good does not mean you are walking with God unless you give Him the glory. You give Him the glory by worshiping according to His will. It would be better to fail in the aspects of the law that deal with "your neighbor" but be steadfast in the aspects that identify your obedience to GOD. Just ask King David.

Our Liberty which we have been given does not mean we can be lawless towards others and much more it doesn't mean we can be dishonorable to GOD.

I hope you will understand what I am saying and give it some thought but this forum is limited. Peace to you and your family.

Seeing individuals

instead of groups such as "Christians" or "Jews." Just because I fall into the "Christian" group, does not mean that I do everything the "Christian" group does. I rather call myself a Believer and to be specific a Believer in the Lord Jesus Christ who alone has purchased my redemption. I stand in Him before the Father. Without the Lord Jesus Christ I would be in my sin. That does not mean that I purposefully sin. But it means when I do sin I go to the Father and as foregiveness. I purpose not to sin. But there are times I fail. That being said, I believe that worship can occur on any day of the week:

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth , eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

It is my purpose to honor the Lord Jesus Christ in all that I do. That is my desire, that is what I set out to do. He is my Lord and Savior. All of my eggs are in His Basket and if He does not save me, I will not be saved. I have no ability to be good enough or do good enough. I am hopelessly unclean without the covering of His Blood.

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Ok. The two verses

you mention are talking about fasting, meat offered to idols and or vegetarianism. Neither is talking about the Sabbath or the biblical dietary laws. I will just leave you with this thought. I have said nothing that breaks the laws of grace, Faith, mercy or forgiveness. But many use grace, faith and mercy to justify lawlessness.

Concerning the Jews and Gentiles Paul says: "For there is no partiality with GOD. For as many as have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law, for not the HEARERS of the law are just in the sight of GOD, but the DOERS of the law WILL BE JUSTIFIED." Romans 2:11-13

God winks at ignorance and that is a blessing for the both of us but it is time that we endeavor for His approval and the truth of His word and not the traditions and approval of men.

It is my understanding

that one cannot be justified by keeping the law. Standing in the righteousness law condemns because it is by the law that we know sin. It is impossible to be a doer of the law. The Bible says that if we have failed at one point, we are guilty of all of the law. You would have to be perfect to be justified by the law.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 3:20 KJV
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 4:2 KJV
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Galatians 3:8 & 9 KJV
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
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This man wanted eternal life and found out that even though he had kept the commandments he needed to go and sell all that he had and give it to the poor http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/matthew/passage.aspx?q=ma... :

Matthew 19:17 KJV
And he said unto him, Why callest thou megood? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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When you say that Romans 14:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/romans/14.html

talks "about fasting, meat offered to idols and or vegetarianism. Neither is talking about the Sabbath or the biblical dietary laws."

I can in turn say that if I do any of those things spoken of in Romans 14, I will not be keeping the Sabbath or the Jewish dietary laws. I will be breaking them by partaking in the things spoken of in Romans 14. That being said, I am not sure why you say that Romans 14 is not speaking of the Sabbath because it specifically speaks of all the days of the week being treated equal. And whatever a man does he needs to do in faith with a perfect heart toward God.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I celebrate the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ each first day of the week when I assemble together with my brothers and sisters in the Lord. We do not think of "easter" as resurrection day. We commemorate that each First Day. We have fellowship, preaching, singing, and take a collection.

Mark 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Acts 20:7 KJV
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Corinthians 16:2 KJV
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Colossians 2:16 KJV
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

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The law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus

sets us free from the law of sin and death.
This is the only law that operates within the life of a believer, the law of the SPIRIT OF LIFE! Halleluyah!
The letter kills but the Spirit gives life.
Those who minister the letter are children of Hagar and constantly give birth to bondage (within their own lives). Those born from the "free woman" are continuously being birthed into greater dimensions of HIS LIFE within themselves.
The Kingdom of God is WITHIN.
Leave the shadowlands, and come into REALITY....the reality is Christ in you.

Jesus is the saviour of the WHOLE WORLD, "As in Adam all die, so too in Christ ALL shall be made alive." (ICor.15:22) All means all. The pagan 'hell' of literal fire & eternal torment is a lie and is SPIRITUAL TERRORISM. http://www.hopebeyondhell.net

Rightly dividing the Word of Truth...

You wrote: "We all sin and we all die. Sin is the transgression of the law."

The death that the Lord warned Adam about in Genesis was spiritual death. Adam sinned and died immediately (was cut off from his Creator = spiritual death), yet Adam 'lived' physically for several hundred more years. Adam’s transgression set in motion the physical death, disease, and decay we all face today.

You wrote: “Christianity rejects these things and when they suffer all to often they blame God. They just can't help putting their finger in the light socket so to speak.”

The “light socket” is the myriad of rules and regulations that a particular hierarchy enforces upon their followers for control or in the case of cult groups, bondage. A balanced reading and of both Old & New Testament principles will result in daily living that balances faith and works, grace and law. Those wanting control often place whole groups of their adherents back under the very law that Christ came to uniquely fulfill since no man before or after has ever been able to obey. “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” John 1:17

The disciples made the classic legalistic mistake of wanting to blame illness on a person’s sin in John 9, “Master, who did sin , this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.”

At times, God uses “sickness unto death” to terminate our time on earth in our bodies. Only two Bible characters did not see death (Enoch and Elijah), the remaining billions of humans that have lived on planet Earth throughout history have all had to face death as you & I will.

God uses “sickness unto chastisement” to grab someone’s attention, to lead them back to Him. This why the Corinthian believers that were getting drunk at the Lord’s supper had said of them “For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.” 1 Cor. 11:30

God uses “sickness unto the glory of God” to show forth His grace in the midst of severe suffering, pain or even in death. John 9 above would fit this category. Through tragedy I have seen God’s grace triumph in my own personal sickness and in healing. Doctors
(Luke was a trained physician and wrote Luke & Acts under inspiration of the Holy Spirit) consulted or not.

If you continue in sin

there is no life in you. If you say you believe in God and continue in sin then you are a liar. You can try to justify sin all you want but Scripture does not agree.

If we say that we have no sin,

we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8 ASV

No one is justifying sin here, nor are we condemning you for your obvious lack of charity.

Dig deeper. : )

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

Lack of charity? Hmmm.

That is exactly what people do. Justify sin. There are some who teach lawfulness yet fail and repent from time to time. That what grace is all about. Then there are many who teach that we cannot help but sin so go ahead and sin because our debt has been paid, they say "The LAW was nailed to the cross so we can do as we wish as long as we SAY we believe in Him." The latter are headed for destruction.

You think that charity is saying things to make people feel good regardless. I say charity is speaking the truth despite what people will think of me or the truth that is told.

Keep digging. :-)

A humble man of God is facing death.

Through the faithfulness of this one man, by the grace that God has given, many hearts have been touched, many souls have been redeemed.

You could have chosen to rejoice with the rest of us in the work that God is doing through this man. You could have offered words of grace and comfort to the family member who posted his story here.

But no, you seized upon this wonderful testimony of the redeeming power of Christ to pass judgment, to condemn, and to discourage. Even going so far as to imply that this brothers illness was somehow the result of a lack of faith or sinfulness.

I have nothing more to say on this matter. God have mercy on you.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

What work?

If he is not working to spread the truth then their is no praise.

Rightly dividing the Word of Truth...

Sin is the reason Jesus came and gave His sinless life for ours, the innocent dying for the guilty. One of the earliest heresies in the 1st century church was the claim by some that Christians no longer sinned. This apostasy took two forms:

1. Those that taught that Christians were “above sinning” (as in the modern Holiness movement, Second Blessing, entire sanctification, etc.)

2. Others that sought to add works as a condition to salvation. If a person can maintain a prescribed moral code establish by cult leadership, they maintain salvation, but if a code violation occurs (sin), then salvation is lost and must be regained by better moral code keeping. This is nothing less than works salvation required by headquarters because they must have Christ’s work on the cross be insufficient to save, needing to be supplemented by the person’s moral code keeping.

Both groups teach error and John directly refuted these heretics that taught that sin was not possible for believers. Notice the second person “we” statements in which John the Apostle and author of five New Testament books includes himself as he writes to fellow believers regarding the reality of sin decades after Christ’s resurrection. “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.” I John 1:8-10

The key of course is in discerning between or "lifestyle of sinning" (greek continuous action) versus the occasional sin (greek point in time) which is confessed and repented of. Misapplication results in heresy and deception.

Thank you for getting back to me, I have some thoughts to share.

My brother in law was not depending on Pharma any more than I was when I took chemo. My attitude was Lord, you know what you want thru my life, I rest in you to choose for me. Sure there were lots of people praying for me everywhere, but I did not suppose to know God's intended will for my life. Whether it would be more profitable for me to die from cancer or whether He would that I go on living. I did though, as that I might be able to stay with my boys until they were not so needy of a mother's care. They were only 4 and 6 then. I am still here. They are 9 and 11 now. I don't know if my cancer will return or not, but if it does, I will rest in my God who will provide for me and my family. Paul said

Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart , and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

I think the Holy Spirit made it clear thru the Apostles in Acts 15 that Gentiles have no commandments except that they abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication.

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

I don't see any words about using medicines. What is medicine? But I do see words that say we are not to judge or brother. Neither he nor I took any medicine outside of a good conscience towards God knowing that it is God that heals and not medicine or doctors.

Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up : for God is able to make him stand . 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living . 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

The Apostle Paul’s words to his son in the faith, Timothy:

• 1 Timothy 5:23 KJV
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

God heals in many ways, and God takes His Own home in many ways.

• Psalm 116:15 KJV
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

Blessed be the Name of The Lord

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The question was circumcision

and the Levitical law. But the crux is not merely the neglecting of Gods Law but the teaching to keep pagan laws instead. When someone sets themselves up as teachers or preachers and proceeds to teach pagan worship and attribute it to Him then they are not walking with God.

It is true that we should not judge (condemn) another but that doesn't mean we should be silent while they continue in error. If you do not warn your brother that he is doing wrong then will not that judgement come on you. Can we use the "Am I my brothers keeper?" argument. I do not condemn you nor anyone else.

The jest of my comment is to the fact that there are so many who think that God is micromanaging peoples lives which in turn means that He is responsible when every good or bad thing happens. Faith does not guarantee a long life nor does wickedness guarantee a short life. He causes the rain to fall on the just and the unjust and the sun to shine on the righteous and the wicked. How we accept the rain and sun determines the depth of our Faith.

We know that Faith can heal but Faith in what or whom. Faith in the truth or Faith in our traditions and religion? If Faith is capable of healing then why go to the medical establishment? If Faith can make the blind see and the lame walk then why do Christians need the evils of the medical establishment? Why is it that people expect God to save there physical lives and curse Him when he doesn't yet they praise the doctor gods, that they placed their Faith in, for their valiant efforts when they are just as likely to be the cause of death?

I know I am terse and I am sorry for that but the whole idea of being mad at God for our shortcomings just tears me up.

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he is not mad at God. He knows that this is God's plan for his life and he wants to live out that plan to its fullest as God has ordained.

And it is good that he doesn't

blame God. Agreed. But the whole idea that God plans peoples lives is false. God does raise certain people up from time to time for a special purpose but He is not micromanaging every ones lives. If He is directing every ones lives then there can be no judgement because we are not responsible. If it were Gods plan then he could rightfully "blame" God.

"He causes the sun to shine on the righteous and the wicked and the rain to fall on the just and the unjust." Saying that God is planning your life is just a way to try and absolve ones self from responsibility.

There are two resurrections. The first for those who "Keep the testimony of Yahshua Messiah AND the Commandments of Yahweh." The second is the judgement according to works for all the rest. Blessed is he who takes part in the first resurrection.

I take the 23rd Psalm

to mean that God is intricately involved in my life. That means that no matter what I am going thru I can call out for my Father in Heaven and He hears me. He hears me because I have a Great High Priest who has passed into the heavens and who is touched with the feelings of my infirmities. That is why I am led in green pasters and beside still waters and why I fear no evil when I pass thru the valley. He annoints my head with oil and my cup runs over! Just because He is intricately involved in my life does not mean that He is to blame for the happenings of my life. I live in a sinful fallen world and just like it rains on the just and the unjust, so also bad things happen to His people, but I am to count it all joy and endure suffering with patience.

Are you familiar with Colossians 2?

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Your graciousness is inspiring.

I know how you do it. But that doesn't make it any less remarkable. God be praised.

πολλα γαρ πταιομεν απαντες ει τις εν λογω ου πταιει ουτος τελειος ανηρ δυνατος χαλιναγωγησαι και ολον το σωμα

I'm going to jump in here again

Feel free to ignore me in this conversation. Just trying to help.

One law to keep in mind is Deut 14:1.

"Ye are the children of the LORD(YHUH) your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead." KJV

This verse brings a lot of questions to my mind that show my lack of knowledge of Hebrew language. For that reason I hesitate to make a judgement. Time will tell.

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Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

I just sent a reply above this with my understanding

of the Scriptures: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2997748

I am always happy to have you jump in again and again :)

Thanks

I read your reply. You bring up an interesting point.

"Gentiles have no commandments except that they abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication."

Those were immediate commands for the gentiles. Remember, there are other commands that still carry a penalty. For instance, there is still a penalty for theft, murder, and failing to honor your father and mother.

Cleanliness is another area that sticks in my mind. There is a law that says to clean yourself after touching dead bodies, sex, and other things that would cause a bio-hazard(references above). I remember hearing how child birth became much less dangerous when doctors learned to wash before delivering babies. The same docs who would deliver babies would care for dead bodies. That's another law that is still in place. It's just cause and effect.

There are other commands found in the NT that are universal. Here are two: http://bible.cc/1_john/3-23.htm

In fact, in Acts 15 we see that the books of Moses were read in Gentile cities on the sabbath. Let me be clear here. I am not telling Gentiles they need to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses. But it is not wise to ignore Moses either. That's been my experience anyway.

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Hear, O Israel: YHUH our God YHUH one. And thou shalt love YHUH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The Apostles said that "they" would lay no more on them

because Moses was taught every Sabbath in the synagogs. To say that we are not required to obey while jews are is silly and comes from the rebellious desires of the flesh. "Here is the love of Elohim, that we keep His Commandments and His Commandments are not grievous." 1John 5:3 Also circumcision is of Abraham.

Do you love God or do you love the traditions of men?