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Smudge Pot's take on the bible.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

Now if we could just stop everything, I mean everything right there we might be all right in this universe but from that very point....hold on

The Word was one single word but in English it breaks down to two words: I AM.

I AM. I EXIST. I AM A SINGULARITY. I think that was God's moment of self-realization: I AM. I EXIST. AND I AM SUPREME. I AM THE ULTIMATE DEFINITION OF REALITY JUST BY SAYING SO. SHEBANG.

And again if we could just have stopped it right there but no....

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God and the face of God was hovering above the waters.

Ok natch that at this point, God had not said let there be light, he had not yet said let there be firmament, he had not created his first human being, for all we are supposed to know GOD CREATED ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE FROM THAT MOMENT SO....

where did the water come from? Are we to accept that before all materiality, even before God created a planet for water to be on and clouds to make it happen, WATER EXISTED?

And apparently the water was held together by some gravitational force because THE FACE OF GOD WAS HOVERING ABOVE IT. WATER APPARENTLY PRE-EXISTED EXISTENCE AS WE KNOW IT.

WATER WAS WITH GOD BEFORE GOD EVEN CREATED US OR EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

I have absolutely not even the first idea of a clue. I got some friends who think they know exactly what it means but all I really know is there's a lot more that we don't know than we do and people that tell you they know everything are usually running a game.

By the power vested in me as a holy man of a great spiritual tradition, honey darlings, we really don't have much of a clue what's going on here, we just think we know it's nature. We know that you are essentially good and we feel that somehow we are alienated from this source of goodness and since all people in the whole world have this inner sense of right and wrong, well, that good part, the unifying force, that's INDICATIVE OF GOD.

Honestly I find it so much easier to see the good in you people than I do myself so for me I see God almost every time I walk out the door and BINGO there's you smiling at me. Or God. If God is live I see him right there manifested by your smiling mug. Howdy God, I mean Bill, how are you today? Bill, God, God, Bill, I get them mixed up. Can't really tell which is which anymore. And like I care, not my problem, God created me to be me and that's my lookout, if God is God he can take care of most problems by himself. Doesn't stop me from being profoundly impressed that HE LOVES US.

I have no idea why but it's said that our creator, this huge cosmic being, "for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son". Can you imagiene this? Because I still can't hardly. Dude. You loved us so much, you wanted to get our attention so much that you did what? You let us kill your son?

What are you crazy? I mean are you PHREAKING INSANE? Why would you do that? For us? You traded your beloved son for...us?

How in the hell or heaven is that supposed to be worth it? I dunno, I can remotely see it for you guys but for a Smudge Pot? I'm not worth it. For my part I wish God had just kept his son and watched him grow up and play baseball and be the coolest guy in school. Father God, how about instead of letting us nail your son to a cross we had just bought him a Camaro for his graduation?

Father, we are told in the book that he asked you to lift this burden from him. That was your son bro. And I think I understand. You want relationship with us. You want to be loved. You are love. I guess some of us see how negleted you feel. You aren't just the God in this universe, you CREATED this universe and I suspect you have created others but what I can realate to is if you are this supreme being, you know everything that has ever existed, you know everything that does exist and you know everything that will exist, you are IMNISCIENT AND OMNIPRESENT and all I can say from my human perspective is father God, you must be mind-numbingly bored and very very eternally lonely.

For you are the only one. You created us humans to have peers and relationships and families, you allow us to have relationships with the animals and the trees, you put us in a magical place where we can have TOGETHEHRNESS but how are we to make a seat for you oh God? You are the only one of your kind, so we are told.

But we are sneaky. In the beginning. Your face was hovering above the waters. So. must have been something pretty important about those waters eh God?

Hey God, one of these days, no rush, I can wait until I die but one of these days you are gonna have to tell me about the waters. And who was she Big Man?

D'OH! Hey it's OK big guy, we know, you created us in your image. And there's only one way to hurt a man as big as you. Takes a woman.

One day when you are ready big guy. When you are ready you can tell us.

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the bible according to Smudge. And we're not even close to the end of Genesis.

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Hey Smudge Pot Wrap your head around this!

Thanks for your post. It made me think of this:

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
That there is a quote from John 1:1 (not Genesis).

The Word was with God and the Word WAS God.

John 1:14 says:
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Word is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God. God Himself came and died on the cross. God sent Himself in the form of His Son to die for Smudge Pot and for bear because Satan stole our ability to be the Sons of God when Satan introduced Sin to the Human race.

Romans 6:23 says that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is etermal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord.

back to John 1
verse 12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

When you receive God Himself in the form of His son, you receive the POWER to become a Son of God! This is done simply by faith! The same power that spoke the universe into being.

Is that not cool!!!

Have you ever heard of Giglio?

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If you want to consider what

If you want to consider what could be perceived as whacky thoughts I will provide a few:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty ... Space is zero dimensions.

And God said, "Let there be light" ... A line is one dimension.

And God said, "Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water" ... A plane is two dimensions.

And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." A volume is three dimensions.

And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years ... Spacetime is considered the fourth dimension.

Sounds like a force exceeding resistance.

I AM != I AM A ______________.

If you translate "word" as "sound" it gets interesting.

And allow me substitute "energy" for "God" - you don't have to buy, just play along.
In the beginning there was sound, and sound caused the energy to coalesce into matter....
This is part of the amazing science the Electric Universe people are uncovering - that SOUND causes ENERGY to organize into MATTER.
If you are willing to leave a little wiggle room for... poor translation. For poor understanding on the part of the people trying to describe the Creation. For loss of true meaning over the course of generations of oral histories coming before anything was written. I know, "hard core Christians" don't like wiggle room, unless you are King James of the Councils of Nicea. For me, BECAUSE of King James and the Councils of Nicea, I assume the real meanings have been deliberately made obscure.
But then, I am a woman. God did not create me to love and be loved, he created me to be Adam's nigger, and to suffer and cause suffering because Eve ate an apple. Makes perfect sense to me...
This guy is RAUNCHY. But, he gets to some really good points, if you have the stomach for it. (Most Christians are fine with video games where blood spurts and gushes, TV shows and movies where whoredom is glorified and mothers are only cool if they are gay... but this is over some moral line for them... Any Christians called Brooklyn to complain about children murdered in cold blood? No. But watch them bitch about this atheist, and refuse to acknowledge his very valid point... I don't get it.)
Anyway, warning. This will offend you, but it might give you some important insight, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_a6RjR_AHY&list=UULhtZqdkjsh...

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

You might consider these passages:

Regarding " We know that you are essentially good and we feel that somehow we are alienated from this source of goodness and since all people in the whole world have this inner sense of right and wrong, well, that good part, the unifying force, that's INDICATIVE OF GOD. Honestly I find it so much easier to see the good in you people than I do myself... "

You might consider these passages:

Romans 3:10-17 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known:"

Psalms 14:2-3 "The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

Psalms 53:2-3 "God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

Could you tell me

what these passages mean? I can be very dense at times and would like to know.

From what I gather, God could not find any righteous not even one. What does he mean by righteous? Does he mean following the 10 Commandments?

The part I really don't understand is "they are together become unprofitable" what does that mean, it seems like an odd choice of words?

Something else that bothers me is the word God spells dog backwards, that doesn't seem very nice name for our Creator, that word just doesn't seem right.

Good people do bad things sometimes not even realizing it. Over the last few years I realized that there are those in high places that use good people by deceit and deceiving them. I am trying to be more cautious, less naive and gullible but it seems to be in my DNA.

I am not trying to be disrespectful, these things really interest me and I would like your perspective, thanks.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

answers. & You're welcome

Regarding: "What does he mean by righteous? Does he mean following the 10 Commandments?"

God is holy, and holiness is pure, it is to be apart from everything that is unholy. In the gospel of Matthew 5:48, Jesus said: "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
Matthew 19:16-22 describes someone asking Jesus what they need to do to have eternal life, and Jesus does point the man to the 10 commandments, but to make the point that he hasn't kept them even though he thought he did. Paul explains more about the purpose of the Law in "Galatians". I would recommend reading the entire book of Galatians, as it is only a few chapters. Here are a few quotes from it:
Galatians 3:10-11 "For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."
Galatians 3:24-28 "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Basically, the Law is like a mirror which shows us that we are sinful, but looking at a mirror all day will not make you clean when you are dirty. It will only testify whether or not something is clean. Likewise, Paul argues that the death of Jesus on the cross pays the debt for our sin and makes us righteous in God's sight when we place our trust in Jesus as the sole means of our salvation. Romans 3 is reiterating that everyone is in need of Jesus to make them perfect in God's sight, by pointing out that nobody has kept the law perfectly. Jesus was sinless and lived the perfect life of love. By our trusting in his payment for our sins, his perfect righteousness is "imputed" to us, as if it was credited to our account(Romans chapter 4 discusses this). Then we can be perfect in God's sight because of the perfect righteousness imputed to us through the cross, even though we personally might fall into sin on occasion. Those who trust in Jesus are promised the holy spirit, and will be progressively sanctified and will turn from sin more and more as they grow in the knowledge and grace of Jesus.

Regarding: "The part I really don't understand is "they are together become unprofitable" what does that mean, it seems like an odd choice of words?"

Ideally, whenever someone gives a scripture reference, if you are interested enough to consider it, you should really go back to the source of the quote and read the entire chapter (or previous and following chapters as well, and preferably the entire book) in order to get the context. I was quoting the King James Version, but a more modern translation(NASB, ESV, NKJV, etc.) might be easier to understand. If reading the context and checking other translations isn't helping, commentaries are a great way to gain insight. I've included a number of excerpts from commentaries on the part you found most difficult, But I would recommend reading Matthew Henry's commentary on the entire chapter if you want to get a fuller sense of what is being communicated, as Paul's letter to the Romans is drawing upon Old testament passages to make some points about Christian theology. Here are the quotes about your question:

Barnes:
"They are together - They have at the same time; or they have equally become unprofitable. They are as one; they are joined, or united in this declension. The expression denotes union, or similarity.
Become unprofitable - This word in Hebrew means to become “putrid” and “offensive,” like fruit that is spoiled. In Arabic, it is applied to “milk” that becomes sour. Applied to moral subjects, it means to become corrupt and useless. They are of no value in regard to works of righteousness.
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Gill:
"they are together become unprofitable; the word נאלחו, in Psa_14:3 and Psa_53:3; is translated, "they are become filthy"; which R. Aben Ezra interprets by נשחתו, "they are corrupt"; and R. Solomon Jarchi by נהפכו לקלקול, "they are turned to corruption"; the metaphor is taken from stinking flesh, which is tainted and corrupted, and so good for nothing, hence here rendered "unprofitable"; for so men being corrupted by sin, are of no use, service, and advantage to God, to men, or to themselves; but, on the contrary, nauseous to God, and to all that are good, and hurtful to themselves and others: for ..."

Henry:
"They are together become unprofitable, Rom_3:12. Those that have forsaken God soon grow good for nothing, useless burdens of the earth. Those that are in a state of sin are the most unprofitable creatures under the sun; for it follows, "

Clarke:
"They are together become unprofitable - ηχρειωθησαν. They are useless, good for nothing; or, as the Hebrew has it, נאלחו neelachu, they are putrid: he views the whole mass of mankind as slain and thrown together, to putrefy in heaps. This is what is termed the corruption of human nature; they are infected and infectious. What need of the mercy of God to save from such a state of degeneracy!"

Wesley:
"They are become unprofitable - Helpless impotent, unable to profit either themselves or others."

Vincent's word studies:
"They are together become unprofitable (ἅμα ἠχρειώθησαν)
Only here in the New Testament: Together carries forward the all. The Hebrew of the Psalm means have become corrupt. The Greek word is to become useless. Compare Joh_15:6."

Robertson's Word pictures:
"They are together become unprofitable (hama ēchreōthēsan). First aorist passive indicative of achreoō. Late word in Polybius and Cilician inscription of first century a.d. Some MSS. read ēchreiōthēsan from achreios, useless (a privative and chreios, useful) as in Luk_17:10; Mat_25:30, but Westcott and Hort print as above from the rarer spelling achreos. Only here in N.T. The Hebrew word means to go bad, become sour like milk (Lightfoot)."

Also, if you want to study on your own, you can get free bible software with all sorts of commentaries, translations, language resources, lexicons, etc. http://www.e-sword.net/ is a nice one for the PC.

Regarding: "Something else that bothers me is the word God spells dog backwards, that doesn't seem very nice name for our Creator, that word just doesn't seem right."

"God" is just an English word. In German it would be "Gott". The German word for dog is "Hund". In German "ttog" doesn't mean anything. God is a generic term like "man", not a name.

Wow, I really enjoyed

reading this, thanks for sharing your perspective.

I have many many conflicted feelings about our Creation, so it makes it hard to put down my thoughts. Currently, I have been watching some DVD's on the "Ancient Aliens". Wow, they have a really compelling argument that our ancestors my have been aliens. They go back to ancient writings, myths, and verbal tales past down from generation to generation and show locations around the world and how they are all connected. Our ancestors called them the "Star People" and that they helped teach them many things. The Bible could be a history book.

I am not sure if the Star People created us or they mixed with us.

For me, I know there is something, what it is I do not know.
I don't need a book to tell me what is right are wrong because inside I feel bad when I do wrong and feel good when I do right.

I know that there is something greater than myself that it guides
me and tries to help me, a guardian.

Life is short and I had to choose what I wanted to be. I decided that my place was a helper. Not very exciting but it is rewarding to me. I walk the path of life and when an opportunity to be helpful crosses my path I try to oblige.

I do not know what is, I only know me and my desire to love others as I have been loved. If we choose love then we have to choose forgiveness as there is no love without forgiveness. This is a very difficult thing to achieve and very challenging.

In the end if I became a bit of Cosmic Positive Energy, this would be heaven to me.

Peace Smudge Pot, sorry about misreading the intent of your comment on the other thread. After almost 6 years Michael is almost like a son to me and I was acting as a protective momma. Your right we need more laughter in our lives because it helps to keep us moving forward in a positive frame of mind, especially in the challenging and trying times ahead.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

"For me, I know there is something, what it is I do not know."

And that is wisdom. The ability to know that you do not know.
Faith is FINE, it is a tremendous aid in hard times, but it is NOT knowledge, and confusing the two is DANGEROUS to truth.
Bless you QS, for your beautiful, simple wisdom.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

Hey smudge,

have you ever considered that The Big Bang was a controlled explosion?
What do you think happens when God says "let there be light"....a small flickering candle somewhere in the darkness?
To God who is eternal, ever now, a few billion years for the evolution of the world to happen is but a nothing.
You can never understand God if you box Him into human limitations.

Go beyond one book...

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, "the books") is a canonical collection of texts considered sacred in Judaism or Christianity.

Different religious groups include different books within their canons, in different orders, and sometimes divide or combine books, or incorporate additional material into canonical books.

Christian Bibles range from the sixty-six books of the Protestant canon to the eighty-one books of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canon.

By the 2nd century BCE Jewish groups had called the Bible books "holy," and Christians now commonly call the Old and New Testaments of the Christian Bible "The Holy Bible" or "the Holy Scriptures".

Many Christians consider the whole canonical text of the Bible to be divinely inspired.

God is often conceived as the supreme being and principal object of faith.

In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe.
In deism, God is the creator (but not the sustainer) of the universe.
In pantheism, God is the universe itself.

Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the many different conceptions of God. Common among these are omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence.

Monotheism is the belief in the existence of one God or in the oneness of God.

God has also been conceived as being incorporeal (immaterial), a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent". These attributes were supported to varying degrees by the early Jewish, Christian and Muslim theologian philosophers.

As of 2000, approximately 53% of the world's population identified with one of the three primary Abrahamic religions (33% Christian, 20% Islam, <1% Judaism),
6% with Buddhism,
13% with Hinduism,
6% with traditional Chinese religion,
7% with various other religions,
and less than 15% as non-religious.

Most of these religious beliefs involve a god or gods.
Abrahamic religions beyond Christianity, Islam and Judaism include Baha'i, Samaritanism, the Rastafari movement, Yazidism, and the Unification Church.

I got this buddy that beleives in hell

He's one of the smartest guys I know, he's so smart that it literally takes TEAMS of us to decipher what he's talking about and honey bunches I'm not the dullest tool in the drawer. If you are smarter than me you are REALLY SMARTER THAN ME.

This man is not only smarter than me, he's a genius. He almost single-handedly developed the "quiet title defense" from home foreclosure and all these "play to patriot" gamers are ripping off his work and ripping off people but John (that's his name) will not hardly take a single penny for what he does. And he was part of the research for Aaron Russo's movie, Aaron trusted John as a scholar so to say I trust this man? With my life without question any day any time any night any minute any hour if he asks me for my life it's his. No questions.

Ok well he says that people that DON'T believe in hell will go to it.

I must with humility disagree.

Hell is a condition of being separated from God.

And where I will agree with John is the only people in hell are those that want to be there by choice because in life we have all seen people that just seem to thrive on hated and voilence or usury and they don't like themselves and they don't like anybody else and they are consumed in this whole hate attitude and that is unacceptable to God and to us that serve Him.

Like the people in hell are those who hate God and the rest of us. They don't prefer our company. They wouldn't sit next to us if we were the last seat in the room, they don't like us. So in a way they are happier in the place they are going to because they cannot abide the light, they are happier and more comfortable in shadows. So good. Let there be peace.

That's one of the first things God did according to the bible and I'm not even remotely trying to sell you on the bible or christianity, take whatever you want, it's just a really cool story but He separated light from darkness. He said "let there be light and let the light be separate from the darkness".

Guys I truly believe in my heart that we are in this light. It's much easier for me to see in you than I do me but you are God's children for your acts of heroism, your extremely kind and generous nature, how smart you are but then.....

But then I hang around patriots so I guess I see the very best humans.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.

Now dig this, if you were God how would you know it?

You are God and you are not only super-natural, there is no natural until you think it and you can un think it just as easily. Materiality is your construct and you probably don't think of it as an ability any more than kids think of breathing oxygen, it just happens like your toenails grow.

So here is a take on how I think of life: what if God said what if I don't discard my toenail clippings but rather set them in a petri dish and let them grow and for once....

FOR ONCE.....

MAYBE JUST MAYBE.....

I, GOD WHO HAS SEEN EVERYTHING THAT WILL EVER BE, JUST MAYBE

THESE BEINGS MIGHT JUST SURPRISE ME FOR A CHANGE.

MY opinion? I never give you guys my opinion you know that right?

In my opinion that's exactly what we are. If we aren't demons and angels, I believe we are constructed, purpose built to be surprise engines.

In other words we are specifically constructed to teach a very very old dog some new tricks.

So I believe.

There is nothing strange about having a bar of soap in your right pocket, it's just what's happening.