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Fun Video: The Pledge of Allegiance

I overheard a conversation recently about whether "under God" should be included or taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance. Seperation of church and state, "we are a Christian nation", and all of that. Are just those two words really the problem, or is it just a smokescreen?

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this is a hilarious video

that just got a better title! :)

and which

deserves a bump for the evening crowd

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Change the name of the thread.

I thought this was likely going to be a boring thread about "should we or should we not have or modify a Pledge?" The video puts it on a whole new level. If you can't come up with something more clever, just call it: "Fun video: The Pledge of Allegiance." It IS funny, and spot on, and deserves more attention than it's going to get with its present title.

Personally, "I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all."

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Me too.

I would accuse you of copying me, but I know how I got here, and I would bet you got here the same way.
"OK, how much of this can I honestly support...?"
Peace, friend!

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

When I'm in a bad mood,

I add a more Jeffersonian pledge of "eternal enmity to every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

Peace to you, fishy.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

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I Pledge allegiance


I do this EVERY time I say the Pledge. It catches peoples attention, and I've never had anyone get upset or offended with me yet. (but you never know).

I would encourage all of us to adopt this simple tactic to educate people.

"Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex". - Frank Zappa

I did this until I read Spooner.

And thought about what he said, and learned about self governance, and thought about it...
Now, I pledge allegiance to................................................................................................. liberty and justice for all. I don't draw stares, I don't get much attention, but I say what I say with 100% conviction.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

E Pluribus Unum

"In God We Trust" wasn't our Nations motto officially till 1956, prior to that E Pluribus Unum (Latin for "One from many" or "One from many parts.") was our nations motto and has been in official use on The Great Seal of The United States of America since 1782 and can still be found on our currency.

As for the pledge: Ironically the pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist and approved for official use by Congress during the McCarthy era (see history below).

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. It could be said that The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

“Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.” ― Mark Twain

"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world."

Get rid of the Pledge!!!

hahah I love that video tho! Some interesting links to check out.

It's crazy that some "libertarians" and "conservatives" LOVE the pledge but don't know it was created by a socialist.

It's crazy I tell you.

It doesn't matter if the "under god" is included or not. The very fact that anyone who professes to believe and follow GOD would pledge allegiance to a "flag?" is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if the "under god" is included or not when the country in no way follows GOD.

I also agree with others who say it is mind control indoctrination of school children. The same thing as North Koreans being taught to worship Kim.

I refuse

I refuse to say the "One Nation" and "Indivisible" portions of the pledge. The under god portion does not bother me, since it carries no weight within the pledge. I do however refuse to affirm that I will support the USA no matter what our leaders decide they can do in our name, and that I can never satnd up and point out that it is wrong, or attempt to form a new government which is not so prone to such abuses. It is helpful to know that the pledge was penned by a socialist/statist after the end of the civil war in order to reinforce the idea that states did not have a right to seceed for the country. I ask, if there had been a similarly worded pledge of allegiance to the union jack and Great Britain, would our founding fathers have recited that pledge before public events.....I think not.

Josh Brueggen
Jack of all Trades
Precinct Commiteeman Precinct 5 Rock Island Co Illinois

I pledge allegiance...

to NO flag!

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Great Video!

So many problems with the Pledge:

(1) Mindless brainwashing of children

(2) Allegiance (or "duty") to support the state when the state has no counter duty, as stated by Supreme Court cases (no person who works for the state has any duty to protect)

(3) Written by a socialist as an anthem to socialism

(4) The word "indivisible" is a salute to Lincoln, the great dictator

(5) "Under god" was inserted by theists much later, not part of the original Pledge (theists often complain of atheists "forcing" their views, but it is the theists who insert their words in the Pledge, on the coins, on the government buildings, on public property, etc.).

(6) And let's not forget that the original salute while reciting the Pledge was not hand-over-heart, but more like the Nazi salute (how fitting):

oops I should have scrolled done before commenting lol

well put.

I think you might find some around here argue still that the pledge is patriotic and you are just liberal commie scum lol

god 'n country , yahoooo!