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AZ Police Officer Acted "Within Policy" as 15-Year Old Girl is Shoved Head First Into Wall

The original video - May 9, 2011:

http://youtu.be/YbFBgk1b0rg

Update:

"Sources tell us Larrison has at least 3 experts within the department who watched the video and agree he acted within policy."

http://www.myfoxphoenix.c...

PHOENIX - A Phoenix Police officer has been suspended after tackling a 15-year-old girl. The video, posted on YouTube, made national headlines two years ago.

Monday, that officer appealed, saying his punishment is too harsh, fighting the 5-day suspension at a hearing.

That hearing is closed to the public at his request, so we won't get to hear why he believes his punishment was too harsh.

Officer Patrick Larrison believes he acted within policy when he tackled a 15-year-old girl to the ground. Police were called to the school after they say a drunk teenager got into a fight with her teacher, then started walking away when officers got there.

This YouTube video sparked a yearlong investigation. A disciplinary review board recommended a 32-hour or 4-day suspension. But Chief Daniel Garcia thought the punishment should be more severe and gave Larrison a 40-hour or 5-day suspension. Typically that's the maximum number of days you can suspend an officer.

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meekandmild's picture

A grand Jury

Needs to put in place for all public servants. The Grand Jury would decide if employee needs department discipline,fired, and/or criminal charges filed.

Sickening...

Now I won't claim to know this officers back story, but the increasing nature of police brutality in America has do with our wars overseas, IMO. These soldiers are sent overseas in intense combat situations and end up with some mental condition like PTSD. If a soldier admits to mental distress, he is put on SSRIs, which will not help them. But now soldiers aren't admitting to anything in fear of losing their 2nd Amendment rights. What's next for these mentally ill veterans? "Law Enforcement" on our streets... the violence against citizens in this country will continue to rise until this is addressed.

I'm not attacking veterans here. I'm attacking the policies which led them to their problems.

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This would be a good case

to put on http://www.americanherofund.com/ - if we could get a few witnesses to come forward and agree to testify it would destroy the STATE's case.

The video by itself is not open and shut if it's not backed up by witness testimony.

'Roid Rage -

- Plain and Simple.

These goons are so hopped up on 'protein shakes' much police brutality these days is really just 'juice berzerker.'

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Actually, That...

...is an utterly miniscule contributor to police brutality.

The real causation is within each individual cop, but of course all is exacerbated directly by 'officer survival' directed training, authority-syndrome, 'obedience demands', agency expectations of pro-activity & aggression, agency and individual officer acceptance of aggression & excessive force, peer-pressure, 'us vs them' mentality and a steady deliberate eradication of the community 'Peace Keeper' role, replacing that with a mindset, policies, and expectations of aggressive and predatory 'law enforcement'.

Thanks Lt496. Wish you

Thanks Lt496. Wish you patrolled my AZ town!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

If...

...you are not opposed to saying, what county and town are you from?

By the way, thanks.

Quartzsite, in the County of

Quartzsite, in the County of La Paz. We have the worst of the worst here. When I ran for County Supervisor the local judge called me a radical because I was a "Constitutionalist". The Chief of Police is even dumber!!! (and I get the heebie jeebies thinking about our new Sheriff)

Any ideas on how to unphuck this place?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I Have Actually Been There

Haven't heard any recent news about the out-of-control council and tyrannical police chief. I hope things have rectified, to some extent.

Sad times when a constitutionalist is denigrated.

As for ideas, not knowing the situation and players, I hesitate to say.

I do know that adhering to the Constitution and demanding that all elected officials, including those who are seeking office, adhere to it, is the necessity.

That said, it is near impossible to hold people accountable to their Oath when so many are either agreeable with their violating it, or are so ignorant that they don't even understand the issue.

Nothing has changed. In fact

Nothing has changed. In fact it's as bad as ever. I worked my tail off to get national and international attention to this tyranny and for a brief moment it worked. However the bad actors have all the awthoritay and the big paychecks and the courts on their side, and on the patriot side we had wannabe politicians running roughshod over the working activists, so it's all fallen apart.

Sadly, I now think the Constitution is "just a goddamned piece of paper", and the Oath is just a formality to start collecting the paycheck. And the sheep don't seem to mind.....

And for what it's worth, the elections are rigged here as well. I actually "won" my election BUT they got away with it because on election day they turned away ALL of the Independents I registered. I called the secretary of state to see what my recourse was and they said I had to take my case to the local courts, GAME OVER!

If it's this bad in small town 'Merika, we're freaking doomed! Yeah, I know, never give up, etc.. But when the people go along with the tyranny because they are afraid or lazy or stupid or all of the above, what's a real American to do?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Damn...

...I am really sorry to hear that.

Sadly, what you describe is playing out, to one degree or another, all across the nation...top to bottom.

Wish I had some sage advice, or an immediate solution, but we all know this mess is going to take time to fix. I will keep working in various ways to make whatever peaceful change is possible, as I see you are also doing.

Whether one takes heart in it or not, there ARE men who do not take the Constitution or their Oath to support and defend it, lightly. Coupled with them are men who never have taken that oath, but who strive for Liberty also.

When all else fails and it is clear that no other option remain, they will attempt what is necessary.

So...we continue to work toward peaceful resolution and peaceful restoration of the Republic, yet we are awake, aware and with eyes wide-open, diligently attempting to wake-up more people, prepared/preparing for what is almost certain to come.

Sobering stuff, to be sure.

Thanks for your help. Its

Thanks for your help. Its good to know there are LEO's who take their Oath seriously. I know they exist, just a little jaded because of what I've lived through for the past 8 years. Everyone tells me to just move but I've always thought that was like giving in to them.

All I try to do now is point them to OathKeepers and Ron Paul, etc..

Here's hoping for a peaceful revolution!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Why am I not surprised that this happened in Arizona?!

If, "acted within policy" was meant to be translated as, "we're covering for one of our own [criminals]," I agree completely.

Their policy is not in question.

If 'official police policy' is that you should kill non-threatening people on sight does that make it okay just because it's consistent with policy?

If this action is in line with policy then policy is not consistent with reason. The girl was no threat to the officer, therefor there was no need to use force. She had not been told to stop, therefor she had no reasonable expectation to be detained and her act of 'walking away' was not in resistance.
Police should change their policy because their policy turns them into tyrants and bullies. Even with the right to detain someone secured, that does not mean that you have the right to initiate violence. If I have the right to a debt from you that doesn't mean I get to break into your house and steal equal value. One right to something or some action does not further grant other rights to other actions.

Of course police have the right to defend themselves if violence is initiated against them or if they reasonably suspect that it will be (with penalties for error,) but that doesn't mean that they have the right to initiate violence in the course of doing their job just because they have a tough job or they might have to defend themselves from time to time.

There is clearly a huge difference between initiating violence and using violence in defense of yourself or another. Police do not have the right to initiate violence because nobody has the right to initiate violence. Police do have the right to self defense because everyone has the right to self defense.

Was this guy defending himself?
From an inebriated, untrained, unarmed child who is walking away from him non-threateningly?

Exactly!!

Well said!

Unbelievable! That was a brutal assault pure and simple

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Didn't want to give chase

Reality 101.
The cop was thinking..."Damn, I better clobber this beach before she takes off running, I'd rather not have to chase her ass down, So, I'll just club her, I can always say I yelled for her to STOP and she refused...Yeah, that's what I'll do.
Now, I can file that report without being out of breath, and enjoy my coffee with donuts.
Hey girl, next time you decide to fight someone...Don't do it in the public eye, didn't your parents teach you to meet the scumbags on your own turf?
Guess not.

I don't like cops

Because they abuse their authority. However, this didn't look abusive to me. I don't think he meant to shove her head into the wall. I think he wanted to shove her down for two reasons...

a. She was trying to get away. If you think that her walking is grounds to not forcibly stop her, I'd disagree. She could have picked up the pace at any moment and his best move was to stop her as soon as possible. Also, walking away is the best move. She made it a lot further than she would have because she walked. Had she realized that she was being pursued sooner, she would have ran. Thus she was shoved down.

b. She quickly turned while he was trying to catch her. We have a better view of her body language and face than he did.

Also, she was drunk. She went limp like that because she was drunk, not because he was abusive.

At any rate, the cops were doing what libertarians legitimately ask them to do... prosecute violence. She attacked someone else and thus, that someone else had the right to delegate her just violence to the police.

Really, the only person I think was wrong here is the drunk, violent teen.

Is it possible to downvote

Is it possible to downvote more than once?

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Yes, but you'll need

Yes, but you'll need additional accounts.

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Unnecessary Roughness

Dude looks like he played football. He could have easily just arm tackled the little girl. He didn't have to knock the living $#it out of her but the girl was clearly in the wrong.

It also looked like the girl was attacking an old lady and quite frankly that would make me angry if I saw it in public too. That's probably why he did it, not saying it was justified just saying I think that was the motive. Kind of a "Why don't you pick on someone much bigger than you with a gun?"

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You are a liar. She was

You are a liar. She was walking down the street just fine. She did not go limp until her head was slammed into a brick wall and concrete sidewalk. The officer looked to be in good shape and could have easily caught her if she tried to run. After you slam your first 200 or so people down on the concrete it starts to seem like normal behavior so the cop did not even care that he could have seriously injured or even killed the girl.

You're accusing the cop of

You're accusing the cop of shoving more than 200 people down to the concrete? Seems like you want the police to be the bad guy here, to the point of inventing 199 additional people whom he's supposedly shoved down.

You're right, he shouldn't

You're right, he shouldn't have invented 199 other people, but as for him "wanting the police to be the bad guy," the policeman is the bad guy; he became the bad guy when he used a running start to propel a girls head into a brick wall!

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You also want the cop to be

You also want the cop to be the bad guy. You accuse him of getting a running start to propel a girl's head into the wall as if his intent was to build speed in order to make his shove more dangerous. I really don't believe his intent was to shove the girl when he began to run. I also don't believe his intent was to 'propel her head into a wall'. I think it happened this way because the girl messed up. First, she attacked another lady. Then, she tried to escape the police. The police did not mess up by forcibly stopping her.

Troll much?

I don't think we saw the same video...

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Troll? You do realize that

Troll? You do realize that it's you who replied to me, right? I guess I have to discount everything you've said because you're obviously confused.

Do you believe that this was

Do you believe that this was his first time?. I don't how many times he has done it but if he does it only once per day them he will hit 200 in less than a year. If he has been a cop for several years it could be in the thousands. If you are watching an nba game on tv and see a player commit a foul do you reasonable assume he has committed many more during his career or do you think it must he his first foul of his career?

I have no opinion on how many

I have no opinion on how many times he's done this because, like you, I have no knowledge of it. However, with no knowledge, I can safely say that he does not do this once per day. You're being ridiculous.

Funny... today I broke a traffic law in front of a cop. She yelled at me to stop and then told me about the law that I broke. I actually didn't know it was the law and she politely informed me. She didn't even pull me over, she just saw it and yelled for me to stop so she could tell me. It was very strange. I'm only bringing this up to let you know that cops don't necessarily go hurting people on purpose every day.