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CPAC 2013 - Open Thread

The 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference – an annual gathering in Washington, D.C. where members of the GOP meet to cement their ideology and try out potential presidential nominees for the coming years.

Today's lineup included Sen. Ted Cruz and Dr. Ben Carson!

Post your comments and observations on this thread

Schedule:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/125668663/CPAC-2013-Schedule

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Woo Hoo

Haha, she's like my favorite internet personality. And very deserving of that award - when I found her last summer, she had like 1k or so followers on Twitter, and now she has over 15k. Great videos, great personality. She's got a bright future!

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I love the "Enter Rand Man" intro music...

What better tune to represent.
Beats the heck out of the Rubio intro.
We need to start thinking about loading the field with liberty candidates this time. Load em up!
You know, like they did with neo-con type candidates the past two primary elections. The last time we only had Ron and Gary in the debates talking any sense at all...and that was just for a few debates.
Can you even imagine how Ron must have felt in 2008 when he was the lone liberty candidate and had to ward of the nightmare all on his lonesome? They ganged up on him and his position like a bunch of playground bullies. But to his credit...he never backed down.
Time to turn the tables on the "inner circle" and the neo-con RINO establishment party.
LOAD THE FIELD WITH LIBERTY
STAND WITH RAND...MAN

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

Enter the Rand Man

Now I get it. Thank you for waking me up because when I heard, Enter The Sand Man (Metalica).. I thought, "weird song, what meaning is that? Off to never never land?" And then they played it again when Rand exited the stage, and I never thought, "Enter the Rand man".. now it's funny. Thank you.

income tax

The speech was decent. Sen Paul is a more eloquent public speaker than his Dad. He made some very good points. And then, he lost me again. Sadly, people cheering at a 17% flat income tax... is missing the point. I'm aware that our rates are much higher than that now, but a .5% flat income tax is an insult. I don't (well, shouldn't) owe the Government a single red cent on my income. It's MINE. I pay the other appropriate taxes etc etc, but I cannot support or cheer any proposal that says I owe Washington money because I earned it. So, despite the filibuster, and Rand Paul is earning points, and his stock is rising with more folks, I do not support him on this. At all. When you concede a little bit of it, you concede the whole principle. And while I understand the concept of "playing ball", I also understand the concept of robbery, and that's what the income tax is. And I will not cheer it or support it. Even if it's only a dollar. (also, personal income tax pays for nothing the government does, but that's another tale for another time.)

Agreed...liked his speech

Agreed...liked his speech except the 17% deal. I know he won't be able to get that going anyhow...the IRS is not going to just gracefully bowout expecially now that they are militarizing. However, I suspect Rand has clever strategy in all this because he has seemed to game the system in everything he has done so far. It is fun to watch. Right now I think he is tyring to prime the moderate Democrats to accept him because he knows he needs them more than the neocons. He's pretty clever.

Yes I agree with you

Yes I agree with you completely. I don't like the 17% flat tax. The income tax needs to be eliminated. If Rand really believes in people keeping the fruits of their labor, he certainly can't support any income tax, which sends out the message loud and clear that government is entitled to all the fruits of my labor, and allows me to keep what it doesn't steal and waste.

Has anyone else bothered to comment on that Guardian article?

Like I have.

"In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all -- security, comfort, and freedom. When ... the freedom they wished for was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3k9rHZamzg and i like rand pauls speech :)

Albert Camus — 'The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.'

taxes

To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, massive cuts in spending. America survived and prospered for 140 years without an income tax, and with a Federal government that generally adhered to strictly constitutional functions, operating with modest excise revenues. The income tax opened the door to the era (and errors) of Big Government. income taxes are responsible for the transformation of the Federal government from one of limited powers into a vast leviathan whose tentacles reach into almost every aspect of American life. Thanks to the income tax, today the Federal government routinely invades our privacy, and penalizes our every endeavor. Income taxes not only diminish liberty, they retard economic growth by discouraging work and production. Ron Paul discusses the income tax and the “FAIR Tax” in May 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5lC4Z_T80&feature=player_em...!

jhon

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Thank you..

Thank you Flin - Read the whole debate, and I could not agree more.

The FED - The 16th amendment all in 1913? Hummm something's not right.

Not a good year for Liberty. Now - 100 years later - How's that work'n for ya? What were they think'n? Far cry from what the founding Father's had in mind for us I do believe.

"I just want to live in a free country" - Dr. Ron Paul

We all know that

Just do not tell us we need to disarm our nukes or that 1% port fee will be enough for our military satelites and other procurement.

Although Marx advocated the

Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States

jhon

You are totally out of base

Why spreading nonsense? After Marx came up with historical dialectics he saw no need for premature revolution or nationalization of private property. Socialim/communism became inevitable - but only MATURE capitalism could create sufficient economic basis to correctly effect the intellectual sphere, thus ashering a new society.

That was at odd with socialists and trade union movements, so Marx was playing coy from time to time. But true Marxists waited for mature capitalism to develop first and agreed to trade union strikes only out of tactics to please workers.

replacing income tax with nothing without needing corporate tax

Prior to 1913, the government operated with revenues raised through tariffs, excise taxes, and property taxes, without ever touching a worker’s paycheck. In the late 1800s, when Congress first attempted to impose an income tax, the notion of taxing a citizen’s hard work was considered radical! Public outcry ensued; more importantly, the Supreme Court ruled the income tax unconstitutional. Only with passage of the 16th Amendment did Congress gain the ability to tax the productive endeavors of its citizens.

Yet don’t we need an income tax to fund the important functions of the federal government? You may be surprised to know that the income tax accounts for only approximately one-third of federal revenue. Only 10 years ago, the federal budget was roughly one-third less than it is today. Surely we could find ways to cut spending back to 1990 levels, especially when the Treasury has single year tax surpluses for the past several years. So perhaps the idea of an America without an income tax is not so radical after all.

The harmful effects of the income tax are obvious. First and foremost, it has enabled government to expand far beyond its proper constitutional limits, regulating virtually every aspect of our lives. It has given government a claim on our lives and work, destroying our privacy in the process. It takes billions of dollars out of the legitimate private economy, with most Americans giving more than a third of everything they make to the federal government. This economic drain destroys jobs and penalizes productive behavior. The ridiculous complexity of the tax laws makes compliance a nightmare for both individuals and businesses. All things considered, our Founders would be dismayed by the income tax mess and the tragic loss of liberty which results.

America without an income tax would be far more prosperous and far more free, but we must be prepared to fight to regain the liberty we have lost incrementally over the past century.

jhon

I see no point to argue

As Andrew Napoletano would say in similar arguments "It took a hundred years to bring us where we are today. We cannot switch back to constitutional republic overnight." The transition must take a generation or two. So yes, we can set target for zero income tax in 2063. The younger generation will see what will be enough to keep China and others at bay.

Thats fng bs

You can restore the constitution overnight any time you want. You never lost it - you just gave it away. Statist tool... you'd love to have this scam go on for another two or three generations huh?

Republic vs democracy and all other forms of goverment

democracies in the early greek city states produced the wildest excesses of goverment imaginable. In evrey case they ended up with mob rule then anarchy and finally tyranny under an obligarchy. During that period in greece there was a man named solom who urged creation of a fixed body of law not subject to majority whims. While the greeks never adopted soloms wise council the romans did. Based on what they knew of soloms laws they created the 12 tables of the romon law and in effect built a republic that limited goverment power and left the people alone. Since goverment was limited people were free to produce with the understanding that they could keep the fruits of their labor. In time rome became wealthy and the envy of the world. In the mist of plenty hovewer the romon people forgot what freedom entailed. They forgot that the essence of freedom was the proper limitation of goverment. When goverment power grows peoples freedom receeds. Once the romons dropped their gaurd power seeking politicans begin to exceed the powers granted to them in the romon constitution. Some learned that they could use goverment power to take property from some and give it to others. agriculture subsidies were introduced followed by housing and welfare programs. Inevitably taxes rose and control over the private sector were imposed. Soon a number of romes produces no longer could make ends meet and they went on the dull. Productivity declined, shortages developed, and mobs begin roaming the streets demanding bread and circuces from the goverment. Many were induced to trade freedom for security. Eventually the whole system came crashing down. It went from a republic to a democracy and ended up with an obligarchy under precession of the ceasers.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

jhon

Next time just post the link

You butchered the text abysmally!

Watching Jim DeMint now

Finally he is the one who is strongly against giving illegal Mexicans citizenship or pandering to gay's "group rights." Bravo!

The author

Laurence M. Vance is a freelance writer in central Florida and a columnist for LewRockwell.com

It is true that for anarchists no taxes are needed. They reserve the right to breed monkeys and dolphins on their own property and eat their brains or torture them. Why not? Communists also envisioned a society (communism) where government disappears and force / coercion is no more.

For the rest of us, a smaller flat tax is a HUGE leap forward to the Constitutional Republic.

The ten planks of the communist manifesto

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.
In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .: http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

jhon

That was written before

Marx refined his historical dialectics and meant as the first stage - for a socialist society. Communism was envisioned as stateless where new type of person will develop prosperity and freedom for all (who will work his best all his life out of joy and love for his international neighbor.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Without a income tax you would still have a big goverment.

About 45 percent of all federal revenue comes from the personal income tax. That means that about 55 percent — over half of all revenue — comes from other sources, like excise taxes, fees, and corporate taxes. We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. democracies in the early greek city states produced the wildest excesses of goverment imaginable. In evrey case they ended up with mob rule then anarchy and finally tyranny under an obligarchy. During that period in greece there was a man named solom who urged creation of a fixed body of law not subject to majority whims. While the greeks never adopted soloms wise council the romans did. Based on what they knew of soloms laws they created the 12 tables of the romon law and in effect built a republic that limited goverment power and left the people alone. Since goverment was limited people were free to produce with the understanding that they could keep the fruits of their labor. In time rome became wealthy and the envy of the world. In the mist of plenty hovewer the romon people forgot what freedom entailed. They forgot that the essence of freedom was the proper limitation of goverment. When goverment power grows peoples freedom receeds. Once the romons dropped their gaurd power seeking politicans begin to exceed the powers granted to them in the romon constitution. Some learned that they could use goverment power to take property from some and give it to others. agriculture subsidies were introduced followed by housing and welfare programs. Inevitably taxes rose and control over the private sector were imposed. Soon a number of romes produces no longer could make ends meet and they went on the dull. Productivity declined, shortages developed, and mobs begin roaming the streets demanding bread and circuces from the goverment. Many were induced to trade freedom for security. Eventually the whole system came crashing down. It went from a republic to a democracy and ended up with an obligarchy under precession of the ceasers.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

jhon

We could

anything else? Taxes paid by corporations are in fact invisible sales taxes paid by people. But Rothbard was carping against sales tax too.

Dr. Ron Paul on Cavuto 3/14/13

Ron Paul stated foreign aid often gets into the wrong hands, countering Bill Gates position.

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

Would be nice

To hear more reports from the "troops" that are on the ground at the CPAC...

A good way to defend your freedoms: www.libertymagazine.org

CPAC muddle mirrors GOP mess

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/cpac-muddle-mirrors-go...

And another member of the Paul family is poised, to the frustration of organizers, to again win the presidential straw poll.

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