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Explosive Exchange at Gun Hearing Between Ted Cruz and Dianne Feinstein

Via the Weekly Standard:

http://youtu.be/NYI3MEhegvQ

"The question that I would pose to the senior senator from California is," said Cruz to Feinstein, "Would she deem it consistent with the Bill of Rights for Congress to engage in the same endeavor that we are contemplating doing with the Second Amendment in the context of the First or Fourth Amendment, namely, would she consider it constitutional for Congress to specify that the First Amendment shall apply only to the following books and shall not apply to the books that Congress has deemed outside the protection of the Bill of Rights?

Likewise, would she think that the Fourth Amendment's protection against searches and seizures could properly apply only to the following specified individuals and not to the individuals that Congress has deemed outside the protection of the Bill of Rights?

"I'm not a sixth grader," said Feinstein.

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Chuck Schumer

Yuk. Sorry you maybe meant someone else. I find this face of a total soulless sellout hideous.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

I unfortunately live in NY

I unfortunately live in NY and I can't stand this douchebag, unfortunately most people think he's the bees knees up here......blech!

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

They maybe don't

Know but times are a changin.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

deacon's picture

hahahahaha

wait a sec, schumer where dresses? ;)
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

He does

Whatever it takes:) Look at the fool grin when he gets acknowledged.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

So muskets weren't "weapons of war" when writing the 2nd?

OMG! It just occurred to me that we're missing a golden opportunity every time that term is used.

The answer is obvious... Muskets were THE dominant weapon used during the revolution war and drafting of the Bill of Rights - clearly a "weapon of war".

Thus, anyone associating the AR-15 as a "weapon of war" is being inconsistent when arguing it does not fall under the 2nd Amendment and that needs to be called out.

Not only does this bring the argument back into proper context regarding the purpose of the 2nd (i.e. defense against all enemies both foreign and domestic), it also draws a direct correlation between past and present. In other words it recognizes that all things are relative, acknowledging that AR-15's are the modern day muskets.

Thus, calling AR-15's a "weapon of war" while arguing the 2nd applies only to more primitive weapons or weapons less effective relative to modern times is a complete contradiction.

If 1776 2nd Amendment “weapon of war” equals musket, then 2013 2nd Amendment “weapon of war” must equal AR-15.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

nice observation!

But i think the argument is the founders couldnt have possibly imagined that a semi automatic weapon would be invented. Therefore, we can ignore that part of the constitution without having to bother with the amendment process.

I mean... the precedent for this has been set 1000 times so why start using amendments now?

Right

and that qualified response will be met and countered down a rabbit hole of logical fallacies. Sadly I already did that dance once with someone on this forum.

But you're absolutely right, the conversation will go beyond the Constitution and I believe that's good. It's good because we're really talking about defense and natural rights, whereby the naysayers will ultimately be forced to contend with laws of nature and physics. But make no mistake they'll even squirm out of that, taking the whole thing full circle - such is the frustrating downside of using logic when it's simply ignored.

Consider this one piece of the puzzle, one simple analogy to expose contradiction. If Ted Cruz used this on Dianne we might've seen her stumble or perhaps at the very least get some dialog moving.

Thanks for your comment.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

logic is only reasonable :)

when it suits their purposes...

Just like the constitution. THeres no reasoning with some people

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Fuzzy Logic is More Accurate

Common/Classical Logic is often flawed, even when applied correctly.

Have you heard of Fuzzy logic?

The problem with classical True-False logic is that it doesn't represent uncertainty and inaccuracy very well. It is too rigid.

So, after only a few logical steps, a person's logic might not be accurate at all (the errors may compound and multiply).

Fuzzy logic is better at representing uncertainty so that it is known how inaccurate a conclusion may be.

Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic

Excellent

Lorax

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Thanks

Love the quote.

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

The more I hear Ted Cruz the

The more I hear Ted Cruz the more I like him. The old bitch got mad because she knew that he had her intellectually whipped.

I Admit

He's as cool as a cucumber.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Banning Magazines? What you read may be hazardous to your health

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

the ball-peen should be banned... duh!

Or should at least require a license and mandated insurance in case of misuse

Bnning Magazines? What about Newspapers?!

Is this a newspaper issue? A magazine issue? Or simply propaganda?

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Buying Magazines? That chart

Buying Magazines? That chart is cool. Is that adjusted for inflation? As long as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the propaganda model being used by the owners of the MSM, less and less people will subscribe to them.

Billions of Today's Dollars (Federal Reserve Notes)

Label written on the X axis (of evil imprint).
Just look at how beautiful the promise was... How beautiful the promise was...

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Do you need a bazooka?

Yes some people might like to deer hunt with a bazooka! haha, I wonder if that response would've pissed her off?

Beep beep boop beep... I am a Paulbot... prepare for liberty and prosperity!

We needed a Bazooka too! Hey Hank, can you spare a Bazooka?

"We needed a Bazooka." - Hank Paulson, US Secretary of Treasury, 2008. Gifting $800 TARP paper-money solve the "Too Big to Fail" cataclysmic failure. When failing gets big. The big get bigger!

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Beep beep boop beep... I am a Paulbot... prepare for liberty and prosperity!

Feinstein certainly is making

Feinstein certainly is making sixth grade arguments. Bazookas? Heavy artillery in every home is not even being argued for. People already accept higher standards of ownership for rocket launchers. I refuse to be ruled by DiFi's emotions. Feinstein is emotionally compromised.

Durbin: " Rights are not absolute". Rights certainly are Absolute! Durbin's interpretation of them are not.

The people have a remedy for these kind of people, it's called 7Th Amendment nullification, to protect Americans from those kind of people.

Red Beckman - Fully Informed Jury 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWz0I0WgiSA

Typical tactic,

attack the questioner then try to grab some sympathy, then avoid answering the question. Good job senator Cruz for not letting her get away with that.

Her arrogance is nothing short of astounding.

The rest of the clowns are even scarier.

Feinstein is an emotional monster

Durbin is a dangerous clown.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

Wow, such engaging theater

Remember: the NWO will allow you to complain all you want as long as you comply.

Now, go vote. Ha.

" i know all about the

" i know all about the constitution! i've been attacking it for years! "

gotta lover twisted logic

Feinstein: stick test plus precedent

Feinstein's argument was that Congress can make any law it wishes, consistent with the wording of the Constitution or otherwise, and hope that such laws stick and that future laws will be based on precedent.

huh...?

Different tests on different amendments?? kinda like "pick and choose then apply the rules" she means, I guess? dried up old cat..

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

She is right she's not a 6th

She is right she's not a 6th grader 6th graders are not that fucking stupid! Cruz did a good Job of cornering that bitch and exposing her for the POS she is.

Feinstein rhetorically: Do you need a bazooka?

Rhetorical Answer: Yeah bitch I need a bazooka if DHS light armored tanks are rolling down my street in my neighborhood...

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