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Access Denied after posting the truth on Rand Paul 2016 Facebook Page

I've been a big supporter of Rand up until today when he mentioned a
17% flat income tax rate. I posted the following on some status updates by Rand Paul 2016

"Senator Paul may have just lost me for good. 17%? Really? Those making 30k a year would be screwed even more. At 17% they would pay $5,100. In 2012 tax year they paid $4,053.75. This is worse than Hermanator's 9-9-9 plan. You wouldn't be better off in Rand's tax code until you were making over 51k a year. If you file jointly it would be close to 150k total....."

This is quite simply the truth. Those making under 51,000 today pay an average federal income tax rate of les than 17%....this would be horrible for the poor and middle class.

Guess Rand Paul 2016 and whoever runs it is practicing the GOP way of quieting the truth. Don't worry, nothing to see here....

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Flat income tax

I think if we are not all affected by increasing taxes we will just keep taxing and spending ourselves into a collapse. I say that Dr. Benjamin Carson got it right. "You make $10 billion, you put in a billion. You make $10 you put in one." He went on to say...
"Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him. It's that kind of thinking that has resulted in 602 banks in the Cayman Islands..." - Dr. Benjamin Carson

Southeastern CT Ron Paul Supporter

Unless Rand is proposing

to eliminate the 16th amendment, the income tax, we will be saddled with a sales tax along with the income tax. Herman Cain proposed the same thing. When I pointed out that my county has a 9% sales tax, while he wants to add an additional 9% federal sales tax, at the register I would be paying 18% on purchases. I was told this is comparing apples and oranges.

Excuse me? The 9% county sales tax may be apples, the 9% federal sales tax might be oranges, but it becomes an 18% fruit salad at the register.

But we all know that in 1965 the minimum wage was 1.25


That equates to 28+ dollars today.

The country has been taken over by the bankers. The Fed, is just using their 'free' money to destroy freedom.

It's really that simple.



My first professional job out of college afforded me approx 25k a year, taxes withheld from 30k. In 2008, my tax rate was 15% which was $4500 plus an extra "single filing" of about $1000.

Guess what you didn't have to pay for? My health insurance (nor my tuition) Not all "poor" people stay "poor" forever. It's almost like you ignore the fact that entry level work exists... 17% in taxes for everyone is a bangin' deal compared to what we deal with today...variable and whatnot....fluctuating from one year to the next....hopping tax brackets for making only a tiny bit more....

That means, when I take home 33k, I only pay approx $5600 instead of around $8200. Get it? I can buy a new car, or stockpile gold, or get 400 tattoos, who cares. It's about giving people idle resources to do with what they please and promote savings.

(For the record, 25k is more than enough for one person to live on--provided you're not a booze hound suffering from an entitled mentality.)

Of course, Poppa Ron has it all right at 0%, but if you were REALLY his following act and knew you could actually win the Presidency, 17% qualifies as "reasonable"


Sorry, Rand, I don't suppose you ran this by your father?
I'm a Rand supporter, but I'm going to run out of patience with foolishness like this.

The optimal flat tax percentage is ZERO. 0%.

I supported the 17% flat tax when Steve Forbes proposed it many years ago because it was the best offer on the table. But Ron Paul raised the bar. No tax rate higher than zero is tolerable today.

Any tax plan that reduces taxes for the rich more than for the middle/working class is plain bullshit. If you cut Richie Rich's taxes in half, you need to cut mine in half, too, just to keep me from laughing. You need to cut them all the way to zero for me to actually take you seriously.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

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That's true....

....to an extent. Dr.Paul also said that for this to occur we, the american people, would have to rethink what the role of government is. Never did RP say he would immediately make the income tax 0%. He was speaking of an eventuality. 17% sounds like a good start.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."

-George Washington

I read that comment!

And agreed!

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Nearly anything is better than I've been paying!!!

So, I paid over $26,000 in federal taxes this past year. I made around $116,000. If you calculate that you'll get a percentage of 22%. Now, include all of the other taxes that I pay, excluding sales tax, then the percentage is 41%. Call me crazy, but 17% sounds great to me. For those whom wish to point out that I made over 100K, let me point out that I was home for a mere 16 days out of 365. I worked 6-7 days a week with a minimum of 12 hours per day. I earned it.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."

-George Washington

You deserve to pay less.

You shouldn't be penalized for working. A flat tax for me actually means I will pay more, but I prefer to pay more now than to work hard, rise to a new level and get knocked down for succeeding. Doesn't make sense.

Rand says 10% here:


I am looking for something from today tho. Do you have a link?

I like Ron Paul's: Keep the fruit of ones labor.

Just YouTube his cpac speech

Just YouTube his cpac speech today. I agree on your last statement.

Thank you for directions to get to the information :)

I finished listening. I like everything BUT the 17% He did say tho Free to keep the fruit of one's labor. So how is it that we keep the fruit of our labor and send 17% of it to Washington? Perhaps tho, we are so bad off in debt that we have to do that at this point? I don't know. I will say, tomorrow I am going to spend the day sorting thru paper so I can file taxes. I actually resent the fact that I have to spend a day going thru papers so I can file some more paper for the government. In that case if I would prefer some type of flat tax IF there is going to be a tax. I wonder if 17% incloudes SSI? You know the Social Security Insurance that isn't really insurance but a Ponzi.

I am thinking Gary Johnson wanted a 27% Fair Tax last year. I couldn't see how that was fair either.

Did Ron Paul ever state a tax rate? All I can remember is that we should be free to keep the fruits of our labor. And that was a truth that I had never heard before.

Oh well, thats my rant. Thanks for the heads up.


Ron Paul stated 0%

He intended to eliminate the federal income tax and the corporate income tax, while eventually balancing the budget, starting with $1 Trillion in spending cuts off the top.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

You are doing a great job of trying to convince everyone

Not to support Ron Paul or Rand Paul with your cherry picking logic.

So in this thread you claim you aren't supporting Rand Paul...

In your last thread you claim you are going to support Romney instead of Ron Paul...


Here's another thread you started that got 403'd. http://www.dailypaul.com/200595/author-of-the-racist-newslet...

That title you chose, great keywords....Daily Paul - the racist newsletters- produced by Ron Paul...

You are very talented at what you do.

So by your logic of some staffer removing your post on Rand's FB, why are you still on the DP when some mod removed your Ron Paul racist newsletter thread?

Did you actually read those

Did you actually read those threads. They make perfect sense. Obama winning destroyed any chance of a third party run for 2016. There's no doubt about that. It only strengthened the "nobama" chorus and paves the way for a neocon candidate.

The "author of the racist news letter" thread was posting a source from Ben Swann that proved Ron Paul didn't write them. Why it was removed I have no idea. But you can assume whatever you want. If you read the thread it specifically states they were written by James Powell and not Ron Paul. They were produced by his newsletters. No one denies that.

Why don't you friend me on Facebook (under the same user name mw Gaines jr) and you can clearly see where my allegiance lies in liberty. I simply post truth. If you don't like it, well tough. What I posted above is true whether you like it or not.

You misinterpret my point

I did not dispute whether your statement was true or not, I merely pointed out you are using cherry picking logic to not support the Pauls and support Romney.

And using your own logic inre Rand's FB I pointed out that a deleted thread here didn't stop you from supporting the DP.

And yeah, your last two threads are anti-Paul and pro Mitt Romney (for whatever reason), which triggered my skepticism.

As to whether I like it or not, that is moot. I was questioning your intent, as I have every right to do, and you answered it to my satisfaction. Thanks for responding!

I agree, clarification is needed.

But if each would concentrate on only his/her own losses instead of looking at the bigger picture, we cannot move forward. Any government employee would feel his rights are violated if you propose to cut government jobs - CIA, police, teachers, TSA will eat you alive as the enemy of the people.

Let's start the debate, the figure can be adjusted later. In Russia, they pay flat 13 or 15% tax. I myself would prefer a smaller flat tax on GROSS income so there can be no deductions or loopholes. If majority pays "fair share" of equal %, they will rebel against taxes all together.

The party line is narrow, and has no room for dissent

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some of you people can not

some of you people can not see the forest for the trees.

If this turns out to be a tax

If this turns out to be a tax increase, then there is no forest. We're just going backwards in the trees.

For those that "believe"

That any tax is fair needs to watch this video.


If you still "believe" in any tax after watching the first video, step into the truth as to why in this video.


Hopefully this will help to unlock the shackles on your minds.

It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense.

Down voting

My previous post only confirms, exactly, the truths in what was posted.

God help us...

It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense.

You don't have your facts straight.

Anyone who is self-employed like myself, would die for a 17% flat tax rate when the self-employed tax alone is 15.3% in 2013. If you work a job, your employer pays 7.65% on your behalf and the other 7.65% is taken out of your check (fica).

You are only considering the tax rate after those with holdings, which puts your numbers so far off in left field it's crazy. It would be like paying 1.7% income tax under the current convoluted system for those who are self employed or worst case scenario, 9.45% for those employed by others if your employer is a jerk and pockets all the cash he was paying for your taxes.

With that said, I still would like Dr. Paul's 0% tax rate :)

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Read the comments below. If

Read the comments below. If this includes FICA, Medicare etc. then I'm all for it. How do you know it includes it?

the fed guv shouldn't be imposing ANY income tax

define 'income'

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Thank you.

Nobody has any income.

17% is good

It includes all federal taxes, Which believe it or not the poor end up paying already. When I lived in the USA I calculated that if I were to spend all of my money then I would have paid a total of 50% oof my salary to taxes. Btw YOU cannot make any exceptions everything must pay the17% tax. Any exception will open room for corruption.

It is a much better system than what we have now.

It would lower the power and size of government.

I agree we cannot have

I agree we cannot have exceptions. And if it is true that this includes all federal taxes, then I'm all for it. Just eating for the official plan. If it is 17% on top of SS, Medicare etc. then this is really bad.

Yes, government and its

Yes, government and its activity politics are control. But shouldn't we be cautious in shrinking government and politics if doing so is transferring influence and control of (the individual's) life to who controls our government and dictates politics and policies? Why not retain the ability of government that serves justice before transference?

To transfer influence and control of life to the private sphere before justice is served can, but probably would, transform our standing to the controllers, that we're indentured to them, to slavery. The controllers work both spheres, public/government and private, but if most their presence resides in one, let's be in the other sphere then serve them justice to prevent their presence from growing where we are, whereby they'd occupy both spheres greatly or completely.

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Suspend The Income Tax Plan

Hear me out first;


Once the four years are up? Who in their right mind would want to bring back the income tax!? Nobody. Give the American people a taste for it and they'll realize they're better off without an income tax and smaller government.