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The new Pope and 9-11...

The new Pope's intentions yesterday, upon his first full day in office, he said, was to pray to "The Madonna" and ask her to bless the church!

Is Mary a deity? No
Did the new Pope just take the Gospel and throw it in the trash? Yes

As far as his associated with "9-11", I mean versus 9 thru 11!

From the epistle of Second John, Chapter 1: we read 9 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

There's that word, "doctrine"... That word "doctrine" is such a thorn in the side of unbelievers and the ecumenists of today in bed with the Roman church .... just as is the concept of hell and the reality/warning of a future judgement who doesn't approve of His Word being tampered with, watered down, or added to...

It's not important, believe what you want...God is love, right? Choose your own path...

Not if you call yourself a "Christian".




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I welcome

all Buddhist or muslim Libertarians as well as atheists and agnostics to the future free-market capitalism society. I do not proclaim love for them and do not condemn them to burning in hell.

I guess you gotta throw in a positive comment

every once in a while into the mix of STATIST drivel you normally spout otherwise people will catch on to your agenda. Please change your name to "my rights first" which would be much more appropriate.

Also... any time you want to debate 9/11, Sandy Hook or any other "official story" you sell around here I'll be more than happy to mop the floor with you.

Yes. choose your OWN "path"..

you know best, right? You understand all of scripture, its historiucal context, have studied it in Aramaic, Latin, Hebrew and Greek. YOU know best how the various styles of divine revelation exampled in Scripture are best understood. YOU know what all this Scripture, that has been preserved through the ages by CATHOLIC monks and priests, means. And ou know for a fact that God has never, and will never, reveal Himself except through the Bible.
This post is just more Catholic bashing. Don't like Catholicism? Simple. Then don't join the Church. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, all statist dictators chose "their own paths". I'll follow God, thank you.
Is the Catholic Church perfect? No. And neither is any other organization of human beings. Compare the body pile of the Church with the body piles of ATHEIST states of the 20th century alone.

Watch the mighty Roman Catholic Finacial Empire

rape the lands and people of South America, the "darling" of the rape and pillage Globalists at the moment. What a coincidence that the new pope is from that very region, with it's enormous Catholic catchment, and where old "naughty" priests were hidden out of sight. Watch them fed these old boys to the public, in a made for Media, Cleaning-up-the-Church campaign.
I would like all Catholics to answer these questions-:
The pope is "Gods Representative" on Earth, as was Jesus. Were did Jesus live? A Palace, in a private Kingdom like the Vatican "State", complete with war agendas, and a corrupt Bank, not to mention the rest.
If you have a real relationship with, or knowledge of Jesus and his teachings, doesn't the Vatican, and everything it encompasses, be the very thing
Christ was adamantly against?

I wish mythology and superstition would get religated to

off topic. Just the fact that our government promotes "God" should give you a clue into the motives behind brainwashing the masses into believing in things that are not true.

The human mind is designed to interact with reality in the same why that our bodies are designed to interact with reality. When you are hungry you don't look in an imaginary refridgerator and you don't pretend to eat imaginary food.

"promote" it OR co-opt it..

you see how they do that with everything good.. We watched it happen before our eyes with Ron Paul's philosophy.

This specific Republic has survived and prospered...

...marvelously and exceedingly well for a very long time; and I suspect it is because reverence and gratitude to THE Creator was made central in our founding.

The phenomenon you are witnessing now, which we are ALL suffering equally from; is not because there's too much God-talk going around, it's because those professing an allegiance to God are full of total malarkey, and they have malice in their hearts for God and His people who call them out on their EVIL deeds...

You see, you're not going to be able to erase the promotion of God and His moral standards from THIS free society; so only one of two things can happen ... Either the God-talking hypocrites, liars, theives and murderers silence the REAL believers in God by force, or, the REAL believers who do not lie, cheat, steal or murder, or engage in usury or slavery of their human equals in order to get ahead convince the electorate to get off their dead you-know-what's and bounce the lying hypocrites and thieves from both our halls of government and the churches that aid in promoting the tyranny!

I'll keep working at the latter until the day I die, that's what God has called His witnesses to do during their pilgrimage on Earth.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater; you're going to witness Christians openly persecuting Christians now, it's a cycle in history...but...since America is the last show on Earth, this battle is bound to get really rough I fear.

Truth is, somebody is right, and somebody is wrong; I'm on Ron Paul's side...He knows the American history I know, and it wasn't superstition and mythology that empowered our founders to throw off tyranny!

Where does the government promote "God".

You mean, "In God We Trust"? No? Where then?

The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus & The Tooth Fairy are all atheistic views. So, that makes them hard to stand behind, if you're claiming atheism.

Areas where The State promotes God

Everytime after speaking the president and most other high ranking officials say something on the lines of "May God bless the United States of America".

Also, most Executive Orders, Signing statements, or proclamations issued by the White House are signed with a date and the words "In the year of our lord".

And, like you mentioned...its on FRN's and most coins.

I know it doesn't seem odd at all to believers. (I was a believer for 40 years) But after much research and choosing to trust my own experience, education, and logical reasoning I now accept organized religion for what it is...a form of social control. Its frustrating to see so many people who are fighting for truth and liberty but refuse to acknowledge one of biggest cons and state propaganda methods used against "we the people".

Just like the truth about 9/11, The FED, Wars, etc. the truth about the orgins of religion are availabe in the public domain. It appears that dealing with that one subject is just too uncomfortable for most. Thats part of what is so diabolical. I had a tough time at first because I had been brainwashed into thinking that if I questioned god or religion that it was actually "The Devil" trying to get a hold of me but I wanted to know the truth, where ever that led me.

Now its similar to trying to watch MSM news after "waking up". Once you re-evaluate religion and force it to stand on its own merits, it fails miserably and watching as others remain addicted to it is somewhat bizarre...but I've been there so I always remind myself not to be a complete jerk about it.

I don't want to go back and forth on religion right now. Enjoy your evening.

Kind of a weak argument,

Kind of a weak argument, don't you think? "Yeah, I believe in God. So? You believe in the Easter Bunny!" ... really??

I think arguing over this is silly and ridiculous. No one can ever possibly prove any of their claims. It's a damn dick-measuring contest.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

So, where has\does the government promote God?

First amendment? Freedom of religion? Where?

Atheist haven't an argument if they have to elude to bunnies, fairies and santa.

Is atheism a degenerative type of disease?

I'm not an atheist, and I'm

I'm not an atheist, and I'm not going to argue for them. That being said, they win any argument against that kind of logic.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

Well, you followed..

Well, you followed them into the pit, so you have spoke, for them. Maybe you are an atheist and don't know it.

Clarification

"And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. " Luke 1:28

#1. Catholics do not worship Mary. She is not a deity.
#2. The Pope did not throw the Gospel in the trash by "praying to the Madonna." You have simply mistaken the terminology of what "praying to" means. To Catholics it is NOT worship. It is a respectful conversation with a saint.
#3. I agree with you completely that as Christians we can not simply believe whatever we want. But yet, how do you decide on the true meaning of the Gospel? Aren't you considering yourself infallible?

I have to remain dogmatic on certain scriptures...

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Jeremiah 44:15-27

15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,

16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.

17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. note note

18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? note

20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,

21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind?

22 So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the LORD, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt:

25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

26 Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth.

27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.

Is America about to be consumed by evil, by the sword of our own government, by famine when the welfare spigot is shut off?

There are CHRISTIANS engaged in the fractional reserve banking ponzi.scheme, and they all go to church, and they all co-mingle with Catholics who know more about the church and it's rituals and sacraments, than they do about what is actually written in the Scriptures.

The Scriptures, not any church or any man, is the Christians sole authority in all matters of faith and practice....I know I come off as abrupt, and I've been told condescending; but the scriptures say what the scriptures say...and the SCOUNDRELS destroying America are once again wrapped in an American flag and holding a Bible....how do I know they're scoundrels and traitors? They HATE my bold speech!

I am unclear as to why you chose these verses.

Is it because the people were burning incense to the "queen of heaven?"

The liturgical burning of incense IS an act of worship according to Catholics. Incense is never burned to adore Mary- only God. Mary is called the Queen of heaven simply because she is the Mother of God (Jesus.) These people were not burning incense to that Queen obviously because she was not even in existence at that point in time. And I do not know anyone that ever burns incense to her- especially not a Catholic with a basic knowledge of their religion.

Personally, I think the passage you have just quoted actually condemns those who consider material goods and their welfare on earth to be the judge of which God they serve. So by that lesson, does it make sense to condemn a Church if we do not believe it is sufficiently ensuring our financial happiness? The Catholic Church has many times denounced usury and all sorts of thievery, but that message has been diluted and neglected in recent years by modern men.

Perhaps it is not God who is going to directly punish us. Rather, He has given us free will and allows us to make our mistakes and see the consequences.

I think the...

...Queen of Heaven in Jeremiah is Asherah or some such pagan mother goddess -- similar to Isis, etc. Any relation to Ishtar? I remember reading that there was some kind of temple worship of the goddess as a 'consort' to God.

Ah, here's a wikipedia link that talks about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_heaven_(antiquity)

You need to familiarize yourself with...

...the origin of the Roman Catholic church, and many scriptures...then...do as Jesus instructs; "enter into your prayer closet and shut the door" and ask Him what is true about what is being said regarding the Mother/Child cult of Semarimas & Tammuz, she is the Queen of Heaven from Nimrod's ancient Babylonian mystery religion that goes back to Genesis chapter 10...and you need to ask God, through Jesus, who is the Peter of the Roman Catholic Church; because it's not the apostle Peter...it's Peter the Chaldean interpreter of dreams...

Watch these two videos from a Bible-preaching pastor, my former Pastor who set me on the right road; and by all means check his claims in world history...we don't hate Catholics, we simply detest the system; it's a works-based salvation, and that's not biblical!

Video #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7edW7igYfg

Video #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE13LG2T_J4

More Catholic Bashing that does not belong here!!

Patriotsundergod, you are doing more harm than good by imposing your errors about the Catholic Church on the truth seekers and real patriots who come to this site. Do you not know that many of the Daily Paul posters are Catholics? Are you not doing the work of Satan to divide with stupid arguements about what you believe when you have no idea what is in the hearts of people who are true followers of Jesus and His Church? Have you not ever watched EWTN, especially the Journey Home and heard all the stories of ex-Protestant pastors who have joined the Catholic church because they finally understood the concept of "authority" which binds the flock rather than disunity which divides the flock? We do not pray to Mary as if she was God, but as our Mother asking God and Jesus for favors. When they ran out of wine at Cana, Mary asked her Son to help with His first Miracle. Did Jesus deny His mother this request? Maybe you could learn something here from the Catholics. Mary is our friend, we honor her as Jesus did, and when she asks her Son to help us, we know that we not only have our request before the Lord, but His mothers also!!! Power in numbers my friend.
Listen, we may disagree with our Chistian philosphies, but bashing our Catholic faith will gain you no converts, especially with such weak arguments. Go to Catholic Answers,the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or other apologists web sites to learn about the True teachings of the Catholic Church! God Bless you my friend!!

Newt Gingrich also converted to Catholocism...

...from being a Baptist...

Catholics are split on Obama, abortion, homosexuality...how many of them also are engaged in perpetuating the Federal Reserve Banking system, and innumerable ponzi schemes; also publicly engaged, over-indulging even, in so many vices common to man such as adultery, pornography, gambling, alcohol???

I used to strive in our small Tea Party movement back in southeast Michigan with a former state representative who so badly wanted the Catholic Church to go back to the Latin Mass, and preach against sin, and do church discipline...the frustration in that body must be greater than it has ever been, and it's obvious to me that like any social club of the Southern Baptist Convention, they're just serving money and creature comforts, and not God or our posterity.

I live in one of the MOST Catholic suburbs of Chicagoland - we host the 2nd largest St. Patrick's Day parade in Chicagoland; but how many Catholics KNOW who St. Patrick was, what country he was from, and how he got his fame through a political cannonization?

Salvation is the end-all, be-all of the Christian faith; this is what Christ died for...and for a Catholic, or any professing believer, to NOT KNOW that Jesus and the Bible has much to say about idolatry, false systems of religion, false teachers and all the rest that offends God; and to not appreciate being warned against following your Jeremiah 17:9 wicked human heart, and against the tide of coming to God on your OWN terms, with the excuse "well, that's what I was taught" ... this is why human wars, or nation-sacking by evil outside forces become an inevitability... a PURGING in a land must take place when God sees corruption reigns, and sin rules, and the people no longer cares if the Creator is reverenced, or, if anyone comes to Christ through the narrow gate at all...the corruption, by those professing an allegiance/alignment to God, MUST be stopped at some point when Christ's name is being dragged through the mud.

I wish it wasn't such an uncomfortable reality; but, people on this site are drawn to the TRUTH, and they hate war - Catholics included. But one of the basic encouragements we receive from each other is to self-educate, to NOT trust every man, and every fad or movement...

So...I throw this stuff out there, because I see so much attention being given to this event of electing a new pope; and, when the next worldwide Christian/religious event grabs hold of the attention of the politically concerned, I will once again turn to the scriptures and let Christians know; we are to be in this world as witnesses of His truth for the sake of the Kingdom, but not one with this world which is condemned already because of Adam's sin.

I'm sorry you're offended; but once a sincere follower of Christ is given this knowledge and clear teaching about false religious systems, and man's bent towards making a god of his own liking so he can tell himself he is forgiven rather than holding the scriptures up to his face as a mirror which will provoke a contrite spirit - the conviction, the gratitude, the urge to warn others to ESCAPE from those traps never leaves the believer.

Justification, comes through repentance and faith; and ALL who come to Christ must enter through the narrow gate, individually; not through the sacraments with the whole congregation at once.

I would also point all those interested to book by a former Catholic, Mike Gendron - and - any others who are interested about the narrow gate, that FEW(not many) find, to take in the John MacArthur sermon on Matthew 7:13-14 that I made into a YouTube(parts A through H) found HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdXslq6oFlU

If I stand to be corrected doctrinally, about salvation, justification, sanctification, and the hope of Heaven; I'm all ears...I don't seek "converts"; Christ does!!!

But to be encouraged to keep silent, well, that's how America has fallen into this abyss! Thanks to the "Christians"!

You know...

...now that I stop and think about it, it does seem a bit odd that we would ask others on earth to pray for our requests as fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord, without it being viewed as some kind of idolatry or giving up on Christ as the sole Mediator between us and the Father, but then turn around and consider it such if we try to share our prayer requests with our brothers and sisters who are now in heaven. It seems to me that, whether they are alive on earth or alive in heaven, there is still the danger of us setting a man or woman up as an idol in our hearts and minds, in the position only God should have; but I don't see why communicating prayer requests to those in heaven would therefore have to be idolatrous. Someone might disagree on the grounds of such communication being impossible and therefore futile. But I can't think of any Scripture denying that possibility. Are there particular Scriptures that you would say affirm this idea?

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i was under the impression

that the peter in the catholic church
was zues or jupiter, they just renamed that false deity
peter
deacon

setting your expectations to high,can cause depressiuon

Best thing you could do

is just ignore him. And I can say that as a lapsed catholic who never believed in the first place.

As far as I can make out 'Pope' is basically King of the Pedos as voted and approved by other Pedos.

Plenty of great and good people are catholics though.

Bookmarked and bumped

to read after super, thanks for sharing.

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