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Feinstein: "Do they need a Bazooka?!?" - The eminently reasonable answer may surprise you...

It has been well established that the original intent of the 2nd amendment was to enable the people to defend against tyranny which invariably comes in the form of an overbearing and oppressive government. This right to defense is not special to Americans and is a natural right of all peoples.

In the 70s and 80's the Afghani militia (the mujahideen) was engaged against tyranny (Soviets). In order to aid them in their fight against their oppressors, the US sent Stinger shoulder mounted rocket launchers so they could wage an asymmetrical battle against the much better equipped Soviet forces.

Therefore our own government established the precedent that, in the age of a modern military, rocket launchers (Bazookas) fall within the scope of weapons necessary for citizen militias fighting against tyranny - inadvertently making the case that they should be covered under the 2nd amendment.

Boom.




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Nicely played Beauxcphus

Nice argument!

Molyneux does a nice analysis on how shoulder anti-aircraft weapons have great economic advantages. A $10K shoulder rocket can down a $2,000,000 helicopter in the right scenario. You can bankrupt a superior force much more quickly.

To his report, Osama Bin Laden explicitly said he wanted to drag the US into such a situation just to achieve this.

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Elizabeth Emken 2 minute face-off.

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If the people have the right to "alter or to abolish" ...

... the government, then they must have the firearms necessary to make that happen.

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American … The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People." ~Tenche Cox, Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788

"Show me the government that does not infringe upon anyone's rights, and I will no longer call myself an anarchist." ~Jacob Halbrooks

Prohibition of magazines? Are you MAD? You need a Cadillac!


The Cadillac that took down Dillinger in Dayton, Ohio?

As Prohibition ended in 1933 and as bootlegging began to become less profitable, gangsters began to seek new sources of revenue, often turning to bank robbing. Armed and armored cars thus became the rolling stock for these jobs, and it’s known that Capone used at least a couple Cadillacs in his trade. So, apparently, did the Dayton Police Department.

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Pfff... bazooka's are for whimps

Buy a Main Battle Tank instead!

Buy a T-72 Tank

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Maybe a DPer in West Virginia can check this out...

I cannot verify the below information sent to me, but it is so disturbing, maybe others who live near this facility can look into it and maybe we should keep our ears to the ground:

INTEL BRIEFING – 3/11/13

RE: Federal action against patriot groups in US

Today at 10AM there was a very large meeting at the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division (CJIS) headquarters in Clarksburg, WV. The meeting was held in an auditorium and included everyone – from agents to the secretaries. The meeting was organized by the Director of the Biometric Identification Management Agency (BIMA), Colonel Bolo (ret.).

Bolo summarized the purchase of 24 new armored vehicles (each costing $400k) and the recent appearance of 20 mobile headquarters that are now present at the facility. The mobile units are semi-trailers with attached generators in the front; are of a shiny, mirrored-silver finish; and have no identifiable markings on them at all. There are 20 of them parked (visibly in front) at 1000 Cluster Hollow Rd, Clarksburg, WV as of today. Additionally, there are 24 armored cars (the same ones we have seen with DHS markings) parked in a different lot on this property, but they too may be visible.

The Colonel went into great detail on a list of patriot/constitutional groups. According to witnesses, this is a list that may be identical or very close to the one put out by the SPLC but had over 1000 groups on it. He explained that although groups may take advantage of the 2nd Amendment debate to garner followers now, at the heart of all these organizations is a racist core; one that poses a threat and will need to be dealt with soon. This is when he tied the armored cars and mobile command trailers to ‘the mission’.

The armored cars (those at the facility and nationwide) are to effect high-risk warrants on the ringleaders of the listed various groups with command centers being placed as necessary. The DHS and FBI are planning to move at one time against the listed groups; with SWAT teams being utilized against the more threatening ones. The colonel explained that all these groups have been successfully infiltrated and the leaders identified. He also explained that this is part of the new Internal Security Force that the president has been alluding to. In answering a question from an attendee regarding the mass purchase of ammo, he also stated that the buildup of arms and ammo was specifically for this ‘mission’.

The witness has told me that after the meeting, everyone they seen were against this. People were complaining, shaking their head in disbelief, and asking what the heck going on. According to them, NOBODY (including federal agents present) planned on going along with this and many even talked about how this will ignite a war.

The report I received can be verified through any personal contacts you may have at this center or connected to the agencies mentioned. You may also visibly inspect the lot for these trailers by driving to the location in Clarksburg. The witness was extremely bothered by the meeting and has said ‘it is coming and a hell of a lot sooner than people think’.

I used to think that mass roundups would never happen – but with this new information, I can clearly see that this is exactly what is going to happen (at least to a certain number of militia/patriot groups). And inevitably, any action this crazy will result in a reaction by others. The specter of Civil War in this country is a real and present danger folks – prepare.

NOTE: I did ask a whole bunch of additional questions which hopefully will be answered soon.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/splc-letter-to-doj-dhs-pat...

The facility does exist:
The Complex: In January 1991, the FBI purchased 986 acres of land in Clarksburg, West Virginia on which to construct the home of the CJIS Division.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/overview

The mobile vehicles exist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bUDDZCAeE8

The armored vehicles exist:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/03/homeland-securi...

Like the Mormons Work In Groups of 2

Consider any third party an enemy as the FBI has known snitches and snoops everywhere. When the battle eventually starts due to incitement by the central government, more opportunities and assets will manifest as traitors and patriots are identified by the battle itself.

I couldn't agree more!

Add to that, everything the military has to offer. If we can afford it, we should have access to it.

Disgusting that our own government has used OUR MONEY to build up their HUGE WAR CHEST.

Not fair..

We must push hard that they never wish to disarm us

Because we went after more of our rights to access to more powerful weapons.

Exactly right

In NY they will regret passing this crap. They are already giving excuses why their vote.

This same principle has been

This same principle has been true throughout history. In the Old Testament times in the Bible, the Israelites were not allowed to own weapons by the nations who ruled them at the time. In order to prevent them from having a chance to try and make their own weapons they were not even allowed to sharpen their own farm equipment. They had to take them to a designated place to be sharpened.

Well....

I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it.

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

I mean, we're giving bazookas

I mean, we're giving bazookas to the Syrian rebels such that they can overthrow their government...

But that is besides the point. No one is trying to legalize bazookas. We're trying to stop you from confiscating future purchase of something much less, that is already quite common.

John Hancock

Owned a private warship, with Cannons. equal to anything the the government had.

Didn't some of these people become known as 'Al-Qaeda'?

"In the 70s and 80's the Afghani militia (the mujahideen) was engaged against tyranny (Soviets)."

Excellent post. Thanks and keep up the good work!

The lone reason

US government provided Stingers to mujahideen - is to destabilize the region and restart afghan's drug production and control it, use it as a tool of genocide in the peninsula and in Russia. All these talks about Soviet 'tyranny' in Afghanistan is just a propaganda. The region was never as peaceful as it was under USSR's control. And just look where all those Stingers ended up. Yeah. I find this example to be rather questionable. Even though I don't try to make a case for gun control. I'm just not having anymore of msm BS such as this.

Only as high as i reach can i grow
Only as far as i seek can i go
Only as deep as i look can i see
Only as much as i dream can i be

All propaganda. Yes.

Your comments are worth to think through. I agree with it all being propaganda. But the Soviet helicopter assaults, bombings, spread of landmines without respect for civilians, intentional damage to tradition irrigation systems for agriculture and more.

The horrors are hard to compare.

The official reasons given are very similar for either Soviets or NATO. Womens rights, build democracy, education to children i rural areas etc.

I think

I think this has already been dealt with in a supreme court case. Can remember off the top of my head.

Luke 3:38
Isaiah 43:3-5

First they take your Accordion. Then they take your Bazooka!

What they really want is your Harmonica!

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Musical Bazooka vs Army Bazooka

VS

Musical Bazooka
vs Army Bazooka

Bazooka Anti-tank Rocket Launcher 2 minute WW II era film

The bazooka was an anti-armor and anti-bunker, man-portable rocket launcher that became famous during World War II. Technically named as the M9 Anti-tank Rocket Launcher, it was also called "stovepipe" and used to deliver high explosives into machine gun nests and hardened bunkers in all WWII theaters. It was one of the primary infantry anti-tank weapons used by the United States Armed Forces, and was based on the principle of the high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) shell. It impressed the German command as well, so much so they copied it except made it larger. It was nicknamed "bazooka" from a vague resemblance to the musical instrument of the same name invented and used by Bob Burns. The M1A1, M9, and M9A1 rocket launchers saw widespread use throughout WWII.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Gun owners ARE our national defense

It is very important to understand the following. The Constitution prohibits a standing Army. It authorizes a Navy, but not ground troops. In other words, the Constitution relegates the federal military to floating islands, i.e., ships. The Marine Corps was illegally invented as a branch of the Navy to circumvent the Constitutional prohibition against a standing Army. The Second Amendment IS our national defense. Nobody will ever invade a nation of 300 million gun owners. In the extremely rare event that a psychotic foreign power would dare to invade U.S. soil, only then can the Congress draft a Declaration of War and raise an Army to be funded for a maximum of 2 years to repel to invader. In all of U.S. history, only Britain and Mexico have been psychotic enough to invade U.S. soil. All of the foreign wars the U.S. has fought have been unconstitutional, even when a Declaration of War was made, from the Spanish-American War to the endless wars of today. There is no question that American citizens should be allowed to own bazookas. Even nuclear weapons. Consider ... if an American citizen is smart enough to build his own nuclear weapon, then he is smart enough to use it wisely, and he has the Constitutional right to keep it. Mere possession of ANY item should NEVER be a crime.

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"if an American citizen is smart enough to build his own nuclear weapon"

Not necessarily. The insane are never unintelligent. You can't say that all geniuses are insane, but you can get away with saying that most are. It's not about how hard it is to build the bomb, it's about procuring the fissile material.

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Sanity vs. Morality

You make a good point. Intelligence does not necessarily correlate with morality. However, you have fallen into the trap that the government has the right to submit a weapons owner to a mental health check before allowing him to keep and bear his arms. The right to keep and bear arms is not limited to people whom Big Brother deems "sane".

I've not fallen into any such

I've not fallen into any such trap. We're talking about nukes here. They're just too destructive to be in anyone's hands. No government should even own them. If you want a nuke, you should rightly be presumed insane, but you should still not lose any other rights.

The only use for them should be deflecting some space object or something geological. As an actual tool for a benefit. If they are to be used in that manner there is still no need for them to be lying around. They could be made on an as-needed basis.

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Agreed

You have a good point again. Nukes should be banned. Only a crazy would have a nuke, and that includes all governments who have them. The U.S. is the only nation which has used nukes to incinerate women and children. They were detonated not to end WWII but to begin the Cold War, the next chapter in the globalists' sick plan for world domination.

Good, we agree.

That's all my point was, about nukes. Everyone should have access to any weapon a government has, and in the case of nukes I can't just feel that citizens should own them, too. No one wins in a nuclear war. I don't think a person who was a criminal and has paid their dues should lose their right to vote and to be armed. I don't think the "crazy" should lose their right to be armed. More and more horseshit is becoming considered insanity. The psychology community already has made it a disorder called "anti-government phobia," or AGP. It's not in the DSM, but there is supposed to be a new revision to the DSM coming out in May of this year.

I see a lot of this crap converging in a perfectly-timed manner. Implantable devices mentioned in the ObamaCare bill to be coming soon. A new DSM in May. Confiscation of guns of the "mentally ill" being enacted into law. NDAA. Financial collapse. North Korea (another globalist puppet nation to sacrifice) wanting to nuke the US.

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Well regulated militia!

Lots of guns...

Either like Schweiz (Switzerland) or like Syria.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndmea.html

Excellent point! The 2nd

Excellent point! The 2nd wasn't just about muskets they had artillery in those days too as in cannons and citizens could own those too...

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Yes, the people need bazookas ... and a lot more weapons

including high energy weapons such kW lasers (can't quite carry one in your pocket yet), plastic explosives, surface-to-air missiles, drones, mines, armored vehicles, sophisticated AI controllers making "kill" decisions, etc. Unfortunately, I'm NOT joking. I'm simply tracking the potential threat to the people induced by the excesses of the military-industrial establishment.