You may be surprised who #1 is:
Companies on their list when not showing the DOD?
The National Health Service in the UK is listed at #5 in the world. The UK is a small group of islands. In a couple of years, Obamacare (or whatever they want to officially call it) is going to shoot up to #1 on that list with ease. I mean compare the size difference between the UK and the USA and the number of people they cover.
Imagine when Obamacare and the DOD take the number 1 and 2 spots how broke we will be.
argued that our endless wars and nations building are done for purpose of permanent gainful employment of millions of Americans instead of "Zionists global plan of domination", I was voted down by our usual haters. But anti-Zionists could not explain our wars in Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Somalia, etc with a simple reference to neo-cons or Jews. Many of those wars were driven by Democrats or before neo-cons took power.
Keep in mind that 3.2m is actual Pentagon. If you add other Americans who benefit from wars (CIA, DHS, subcontractors, trade unions at Boeing and Lockheed Martin, etc), the number is in tens of millions. No wonder Hagel was brown nosing Democrats and assured them that he would fight any cuts to pentagon.
so a $700 billion Pentagon budget could pay 14 million people $50,000 a year.
Thats over 10% of all US workers, assuming (wrongly) that no overseas materials or labor are used in military hardware.
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money was extracted for such wages via tax or inflation - thus capital is reduced and will deminish making of future wealth - consumer products and services.
Products and services produced for Pentagon do not constitute wealth for consumers. Wages are being spent on already produced consumer goods.
of everyone is employed to make useless stuff for blowing things up.
If it's "done for purpose of permanent gainful employment of millions of Americans," then you apparently do not ascribe to the Broken Window Fallacy.
Many would argue this is a misallocation of capital....especially human capital.
Think of all the artists, inventors, entrepreneurs, doctors, and musicians that never were...
You're seen the money spent and things it blew up and bombed, but you're not seeing the innovations from the creators that never were.
I'm a serial entrepreneur and liberty activist from Texas!
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You are not mentally forcused. Broken Window applies to society at large. Window repair man DOES benefit. Pentagon, sunbcontractors and trade unions too. Since personal life is short, each of those who benefit use their own freedom of personal choice to promote consuming capital today rather than to maximize it for tomorrow when they are gone.
"Keep in mind that 3.2m is actual Pentagon. If you add other Americans who benefit from wars (CIA, DHS, subcontractors, trade unions at Boeing and Lockheed Martin, etc), the number is in tens of millions."
Are you not also speaking of the society at large when you "bring tens of millions" into the discussion?
How am I not mentally focused? You're saying that there is a realized gain to the individual, which I don't dispute that gain.
I'm just saying that market gain to the individual is not natural. The market would have allocated resources differently had elites and corporations not used the tool of government to create war and destruction that funnels monies to preferred and approved markets.
without dancing. Let me paraphrase my original comment - our endless wars and nations building serve interest of people who directly benefit from such wars. Those people constitute the lobby for new wars, engagements or prolonged nations building. Contrary to a popular belief, such a lobby is tens of millions of Americans. Follow the money.
... the Empire must have it's Stormtroopers dominating every sector.
Is that 2.3 million counting all the soldiers in the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force? Anyone know of a good recent breakdown of all the DoD employees?
"In terms of people and operations, we’re busier than just about all of the nation’s largest private sector companies."
"The Department of Defense has a budget of four hundred nineteen point three billion dollars and more than three million employees; Wal-Mart has a budget of about two hundred twenty-seven billion dollars and employs about one-point-three million people; Exxon-Mobil has a budget of two hundred billion dollars and employs almost ninety-eight thousand; the GM company budget equals one hundred eighty-one billion dollars, it has a workforce of three-hundred sixty-five thousand people; and Ford has a budget of one-hundred sixty billion dollars, and employs three-hundred fifty-four thousand, four hundred people."
"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo
More than 3 million! That's up from 2.3 million employees. What exactly do all these people do?
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#1 and #2 - that really presents a frightening scenario.
I think employer #1 is a GREAT reason for amendment #2..
Spot on. Indeed.
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Surprised by both #1 and #2.
My guess before I looked at the list was Walmart. Walmart is the biggest corporate employer.
Considering the DoD is a subset of the US Federal government, wouldn't the federal government be the biggest?
further down they listed the US Post Office as a Corporate entity? Odd way to divide things up. Someone has an agenda.
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Does DP have a spam button somewhere b/c RobHino needs to get his account revoked so we don't start getting tons of spamming in all the threads.
I wish it was, but it's not spam at all. That's a link directly from the USPS website in response to the comment which pointed out that the USPS is a corporation. Click on the link I posted and be amazed at what the USPS is resorting to on their website.
Also, take a look at some of my previous posts! I don't post spam!
I had to go into a post office recently. It is a time warp. Everyone working there is old, tired and worn-out. The counters, the floors, the entire place was dirty and worn. I guess that is what an imploding business looks like. Depressing.
since we took most of their funding away. Cute watch though!!
They are the biggest drags on the economy. The biggest earners for the world economy? Waltons.
Goes to prove Ron correct again.
ps. Nystrom.. what is your opinion on how to unite the grassroots to win? If we dont own it, someone will. Im sick of the GOP and their minions scoring points off of our labor. There has to be a plan we can rally around.
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Good question. I think I'm the wrong guy to ask. I never planned any of this stuff around the Daily Paul - it all just happened. It was spontaneous. Everyone agreed, pretty much with what Ron Paul said (and if they didn't, I kicked them off the site).
I guess the first question I would ask you is: What does it mean to win?
Ron Paul said during the last campaign that he was running to win. If that is true, I don't think he was running to win the presidency. He also said, "I always win," which is also true, in a sense. He wins because he remains true to himself.
So, step #1 would mean to define winning.
When you say, I'm sick of the GOP and their minions scoring points off of our labor, it reminds me of this old saying I that goes, "You can accomplish anything you want to, as long as you don't care who gets the credit."
I think a lot of infighting takes place not over the end goal, but over who takes the credit. I think that is part of the reason why 2008 was so much more fun - because everyone took the credit. There was this saying that "the people were running for president through Ron Paul. Everyone was free.
2012 was more of a drag because the official campaign wanted to be so much more in control of the message and how it was prevented. That is understandable, because there are a lot of Ron Paul crazies out there (in here). (Mostly out there). And I think that is the reason that Rand has to distance himself somewhat -- because at some point the crazies become a liability.
But to get back to your point, I don't think that winning is an end. Its not like we'll elect Rand Paul, or Judge Nap, and then we can all relax and say, "Phew - glad we're done with that!" Would that it were so easy!
Winning is a process, and the process never ends. So paradoxically, having the GOP and their minions scoring points off our labor is winning. People say, "we want to take over the GOP," but what does that really mean? In the end doesn't it mean that the GOP shares our values and ideas? Doesn't it mean that we infect the GOP with a virus -- something they don't even know hit them?
Anyway, those are just thoughts off the top of my head.
How about you post the question to the group in a thread of its own? I think the first place to start would be to define winning. It would be interesting to hear what others have to say as well. I think we'll get a lot of ideas on a direction from what people say.
I would appreciate it if you would.
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wonder what the govt total is - and why it isn't included?