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Updated 3/20: The American Hero Fund! Compensating Whistleblowers Who've Experienced Great Losses From Speaking Out!

UPDATE: 3/20
Site launched! $300 fundraiser to get us started HERE.
End Update

We blow a ton of money on political candidates. How much liberty are we getting back for our dollar? How much liberty would we get back for dollars that were pledged to reward public officials for turning in oath-breakers?

No reward would be paid without a sworn statement signed in front of witnesses and under penalty of perjury along with an agreement to testify against the accused. If public officials didn't care about losing their job (because they just got a windfall of cash) they might be a lot more prone to turn in these criminals that are STEALING our liberty by violating our rights under color of law.

Thanks to a great suggestion from Magwan77 I decided to go ahead and secure americanherofund.com. I will not be hanging onto any funds. This will work with pledges. As the jackpot goes up on each violation of rights the "thin blue line" gets thinner and thinner until someone in public office decides to do something other than impersonate that public officer.

http://www.americanherofund.com/ Ready for Action!



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Well I guess your reality is

Well I guess your reality is more 'real' than mine, my mistake. Might as well just keep wasting more of my money so we can bribe 'goodness' out of these pigs. Good Luck! These individuals become cops so they can hurt people and not have to worry about being held accountable. There are no good cops! I see no way of changing this unless you take away the ability of these bagded taxfeeders to harm individuals that have harmed no one by making them accountable just as I would be if I was out harming people.

But I guess the 'reality' you're more interested in is the one we have where cops can shoot up innocent individuals and not have to worry about prosecution. I don't really see how giving the supposed 'good' cops more of my money helps this situation...

Good cops... bad cops.. it makes no difference to me.

I don't care if they are all bad and one of em (no honor among thieves) decides to ratt out his fellow bad cops and hence a lot a bad cops start getting really nervous about being bad...

My advise to bad cops everywhere: It's time to find a new line of work.

But what is a 'bad' cop? What

But what is a 'bad' cop? What would 'ratting' out another cop even mean?

For me a 'bad' cop is the same thing as a 'bad' individual. It's someone that has infringed upon another individuals life, liberty, or property. But it's worse when cops are 'bad' since cops aren't held to the same level of accountability as a normal person. If I go out and shoot up some cops wife and daughter in their pickup truck I get arrested(or worse) and go to jail but when cops do it they get a taxpayer funded vacation from work for a couple weeks while other taxfeeders(Internal Affairs) do what they can to make sure the offenders are never held accountable.

So I see no way of fixing the problem with 'bad' cops till you take away their ability to initiate harm against an individual that has harmed no one. And cops must be held to the same standard when it comes to accountability as the rest of us individuals.

How long have you been here?

You should already know the answer to this question! A bad cop is obviously someone who does not honor his oath of office. Turning in bad cops is part of that oath to uphold the constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Right?

I don't really care about some bs oath.

Especially if 'upholding the Constitution' = doing harm to individuals that have harmed no one. I thought the point of The Constitution was to protect the life, liberty, and property of the people by restraining the government.

Perhaps you should read the constitution

instead of just assuming what it means. In particular see the 7th Article of the Bill of Rights and then look up what common law is all about.

The constitution is your owners manual for your government. Since people don't read it no wonder why the "govt" is out of control?

Well there seems to be sufficient interest...

and the domain was available :)

http://www.americanherofund.com/

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How about this?

What if District Attorneys were paid a reward from all Americans to bring charges in non-prosecuted Government crimes?

Let's start with the Kennedy assassination.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I like this idea

I see no reason why we can't do this too. If people are interested they will pledge. I'm sure a TON of people would swing by to pledge a few bucks to FINALLY see GHWB and his co-horts in prison.

just rise up

Well, then we would not have any cops left ever... caue the bad ones would get ratted out and the good ones would be shot by the bad ones, but they would say it was in self defense just so they could walk away from it.... nope wouldn't work... how about when there is a bad cop around a bunch of people, everyone gang up together and get his him/her away... one or two cops agains several people, they don't stand a chance, that is one thing cops need to remember... there are not very many of them compared to how many civilians that are out there that do not like them... I would say cops now days are walking on egg shells...

in effect

you'd incentivize corrupt cops to set up clean cops. Not only would they be getting them out of the way but they'd also be rewarded.

Usually setting someone up

is done WITHOUT conclusive evidence. Note to all: Please surf down the page of comments I've already left... it seems some of you are just putting in your two cents without seeing if it's already been addressed.

I like the idea

But I think it has some major holes that I think have been pretty well explained through previous comments. The biggest problem I see is that you have what some call a "blue line" that police don't cross. By giving money we can thin that blue line, sure, but I don't think you eliminate it. There would have to be cooperation with the police union I would think, which in Texas at least, is private, not apart of the government, so I think they might like this idea if it were proposed but my advice would be to tell this idea to everyone you know. By telling it to others and forcing yourself to explain the idea you call solidify the loop holes yourself. Also try to team up with a bigger organization like C4L or the 2cnd amendment foundation or Oathkeepers to try and create a mailing list to shorten your marketing goals. Best of luck.

You just got PAULED!

As the jackpot goes up on a certain case...

the thin blue line gets even thinner. (Edited out my previous idea since I will not be keeping funds on hand).

Thinking on it

Thinking on it somemore.......id say yes, but only until you get to that mecha of uncovered corruption, you know the one, the one that completly shatters the current blind trust some people have for government, you know the one they cant deny or make excuses for, you know the one, because the proof is without question, and when that point is reached.......stop, ........and let the cards fall as they will, let pure liberty pick up the pieces, let the old generation liberty folk enjoy the deserved rest if they so wish, pass the batton to the next generation, not to claim, but to share the burden of fighting every inch, or to carry those who need help the rest of the way

Sorry for my whimsical reply

I dont know, it just doesnt

I dont know, it just doesnt feel right, liberty doesnt have a monetery value, its priceless, if people only do the right thing not because its right, but because they know they'll get given money, then its safe to assume that some of them would hold the value of money above liberty, and anyone with enough money who doesnt want a thing happening could "rent" someone who may just happen to hold a position none of us would want "rented"

Maybe in a short term solution to get the tide going, i can imagine, both sides enjoying that arrangement, but i dont know about something like that on a long loong term situation, unless it gives the nation that push it needs, that says "hey, doing the right thing actually "feels" right", that its not a bad thing, that the world is'nt going to end this very instance......why did'nt i do this earlier"

Thats a surprisingly thought provoking question.......i was all but ready to say i didnt like the idea, concerns are still there, but not as onesided as it was, in the space of me writing this post

Part of me would like people to do the right thing because they want to, the other part of me is anxious to get the ball " rolling" quicker, and hope we can slow it to safer speeds later, if that makes sense

Mmmmmm, thought provoking indeed, think im gonna have to ask my gut on this one, and my gut is telling me "keep to safer shores", but keep an open mind

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Fully reading your post sorry,
if you can by all means, if people are willing to help even better, if you do, i wish you luck, if something comes of it, and you accept international payments, i might even donate a bit, if im able, and if you keep it grassroots

It's a cool idea.

Bump!

What would the Founders do?

This idea has some serious

This idea has some serious potential. What about a "American Hero Fund." We would raise a money bomb as a cash pot to whistleblowers or any who make a considerable stand against corruption. Those who do the most good.

We could start with Bradly Manning. If everyone pledges $10 or $20 bucks we could get a pretty serious pot which whistle blowers could use to help pay their legal fees.

Incentivse good behavior and you get more of it.

Sure its hard to compete with a government pention plan, but as things begin to deteriorate, whistle blowers begin to be more frequent in any government, anywhere in the world. Here in the US, our government is trying very hard to deincentivise whistle blowinging with coersion... I saw we incentivise it to counter the government's coersion. I bet there are plenty of people who might be willing to hang these elitest criminal scum out to dry for a couple hundred thousand dollars raised in a liberty money bomb.

There you go!

"American Hero Fund" - sweet. Let the evils of "marketing" work for us for a change lol. Hey at least I'm not advocating to shoot these people with heart-attack guns right?

I don't think you could compete...

with the cushy government paycheck and pension, crossing the thin blue line would mean losing their job, benefits, and their friendships.

Whistleblowers aren't usually motivated by money either, It's strong moral character that usually motivates someone to speak out, and that is in short supply in the kind of people who generally become police officers today.

For example, think about Frank Serpico, think about what motivated him to speak out , what the consequences were for him, and what kind of character it took to speak out knowing those consequences, people like that are not common in most police forces.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

huh!

?

Sounds like Romania and Czechoslovakia before the 'wall' came down--

people could tell on neighbors and get more food--

goodness, goodness, what a ripe situation for abuse to occur!!!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Please give examples of how abuse could occur.

I would appreciate discussing them and how they could be avoided.

bribes--

"here, I'll give you ______________ or do _______________ for you, if you give a good report on me"--

it's simple--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I'm not sure how this relates

to public servants coming forward to give BAD REPORTS on people?

Your objection does not seem to apply to what we're doing here. Am I missing something?

those were not public servants who reported citizens--

those were citizens reporting other citizens in order to get 'benefits'; I do believe that corruption occurs so easily that this would be just another opportunity for corruption--

I guess we just don't see things the same way--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I doubt paid police officers

I doubt paid police officers and folks interested in Liberty will ever see eye to on on what constitutes a "good cop" and a "bad cop".

No Incentive

They're already overpaid and looking at big, fat, greasy pensions.

Pensions

which in many cases cops all over the country are starting to realize they will NEVER see.

The trolls are hammering my comments

must have hit a nerve.

It won't work. They would

It won't work. They would never do it because it would be a death sentence. The other cops would assassinate them.