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Updated 3/20: The American Hero Fund! Compensating Whistleblowers Who've Experienced Great Losses From Speaking Out!

UPDATE: 3/20
Site launched! $300 fundraiser to get us started HERE.
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We blow a ton of money on political candidates. How much liberty are we getting back for our dollar? How much liberty would we get back for dollars that were pledged to reward public officials for turning in oath-breakers?

No reward would be paid without a sworn statement signed in front of witnesses and under penalty of perjury along with an agreement to testify against the accused. If public officials didn't care about losing their job (because they just got a windfall of cash) they might be a lot more prone to turn in these criminals that are STEALING our liberty by violating our rights under color of law.

Thanks to a great suggestion from Magwan77 I decided to go ahead and secure americanherofund.com. I will not be hanging onto any funds. This will work with pledges. As the jackpot goes up on each violation of rights the "thin blue line" gets thinner and thinner until someone in public office decides to do something other than impersonate that public officer.

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That's commie talk

Ha.

Let me try again

That's commie talk. Seriously.

They have to have evidence

we're not going to just reward people for hearsay statements.

A cop that has to be paid to do the right thing will always...

chase the bad money too when you are not looking.

You will end up giving your money only to the worst of them.

it is a good idea vince..

my concern is...

when money is the motivation, rest assured that corruption will follow.

and I fear that...
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Agreed...

No matter your good intentions, it is still a payoff....

Who cares.

Do you want liberty or not? I could care less WHY they come forward as long as they do. Let them deal with their own demons when they meet their maker. That's not my problem.

A snitch has no honor

Why do you think the good cops aren't ratting out the bad cops? I don't think it's mainly fear, I think it's also because it's dishonorable in any level of society.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

That philosophy has only been around since

- damn it - what year was the Godfather produced?

There is no honor is covering for a thief, a crook, a thug or anyone else.

Please explain HOW they can BE a good cop when they are NOT turning in those committing crimes? By definition, this not only makes tham bad cops - but cowards.

The definition of honor is doing the right thing when no one is around to see it.

What would be honorable would

What would be honorable would a "good" cop gathering actual evidence and using the law against the bad cops instead of running to their superior and tattling. What would be the ultimate in honor would be confronting them. You're mixing up covering up for someone and lying. If a "good" cop were to be asked about a bad cops actions and refused to answer or outright lied, that would be dishonorable. If they simply didn't run to snitch, there's nothing wrong with that. Snitching is no better than gossip and rumors. It's just hearsay that could potentially wind up indicting the innocent.

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That is absolutely false.

First of all "hearsay" is something you heard someone else say, that is a far cry from witness testimony which is done under the penalty of perjury.

If they simply didn't run to snitch, there's nothing wrong with that.

What part of "uphold the constitution against all enemies foreign AND domestic" do you not comprehend? If this man you speak of has taken an oath to do just that and then turns a blind eye to oath-breakers harming people under the color of law how is he NOT violating his oath of office?

Example. If a cop is working

Example. If a cop is working with drug dealers that does not make them an enemy against the constitution. In reality they are doing the right thing. People have a right to do drugs, so cops working with drug dealers is helping people have that right.

I just don't see how a cop could be out there violating people's first ten without superiors being corrupt. You explain that to me. If they are going around convicting people using illegal methods and the court upholds it, and so does internal affairs, who is there to stop it? Who is another officer going to even snitch to? It's why you either be a good cop in a good place, be a bad cop in a bad place. Someone at the cop level in a corrupt city isn't going to do jack shit for turning things around. Those are your elected officials.

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It's at the Attorney level.

The attorneys tell them what they can get away with.

I think you are hedging your argument

The argument must start with a premise that the "good" cop has clear knowledge. Of course the argument is easily broken if we are to assume the "snitch" is engaging in rumors. Taken at face value: the "good" cop has first hand, actual knowledge.

If the good cop has knoweledge and does nothing -then they have dishonored themselves twice: Once when they witnessed the act, and did nothing and then again when they chose to not inform their superiors.

I don't think we are really on opposite sides -just have a semantics issue.

Yes.

They should do something by coming up with actual evidence, not by just ratting out someone because they think something is going on. They should have some piece of evidence to put forth, or else it's pointless to even look into.

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better to have interal affairs cops

report to a directly elected official completely out of the police chain of command.

why have i never heard this idea before?

It's freaking excellent!

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You know...

...that's not a bad idea, though obviously a non-gov't solution would be best, but I suppose in the interim, it'd be better to remove internal affairs out of police chain of command.

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Show me a "govt" solution that has worked?

non-gov't solution would be best

I mean exactly what are we comparing this "best" to? IMO - the ONLY solutions that have a prayer of working is non-govt solutions.

I'm by no means going to argue on behalf of government!

I agree with you. I was just admitting that on the surface it seems like a good idea...

Although, a friend of mine pointed out:

Quis custodiet ipso custodes? Internal Affairs watches over the actions of police, right? Who watches over Internal Affairs? The Chief or the Sheriff, right? Who watches over the Chief or the Sheriff?

If that isn't The People, you're doing it wrong.

We have a People problem....the people do not hold the officials nor police accountable.

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This is a good idea. One way

This is a good idea. One way it could be done is by giving county Sheriffs explicit jurisdiction over internal affairs of city and state police.

Sure it's a great idea

but how do you implement it? Well gotta get some statute passed... get a few people elected who will pass it... make sure they don't water it down with legalese etc etc...

I'm hoping people soon "get it" that these politicians DO NOT CARE ABOUT US - THEY DON'T WANT TO FIX IT! It's working GREAT for them!

I like it

A free market solution to weed out the corrupt. I would suggest a jackpot system so as the amount goes up, then so does the incentive to rat em out. Maybe a jackpot for each county. I'd make it open to all govt workers and the elected too.

Can you be a good cop if you haven't arrested a bad one?

Wow... that's the best question I've heard in a long time.

Can you be a good cop if you haven't arrested a bad one?

Thanks for your comment. I think a lot of people live in the fantasy of how things should be instead of dealing with the way things are.

What I was thinking of is when you have some cop that violated someone's rights and it's caught on video... everyone could be pointed to the site to donate to a fund that will be paid out to those in the PDs that come forward with enough information to get a conviction.

Just like you were thinking...as that number goes up someone's gonna wanna lay a claim on it. Think if the 60+ million dollars we've spent on political candidates in the last few years was instead being paid to bust bad cops?

I am firmly convinced at the present time the PTB has a pretty good handle on the liberty movement and will trot out lot's of "shiny things" to keep the patriots busy doing things that will never work.
I'm betting that if we had started this 8 years ago and IGNORED POLITICS we would already have our republic restored.

I doubt it would work,

he may get the cash but be whacked before he could spend it.

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We already do this...

...it's called their paycheck!

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...and when they lose their paycheck

for speaking out how is that a reward?

Touché!

A good point, but that rarely happens! Typically, most cops don't cross that thin blue line. I was just pointing out that it sucks we have to think of good ideas like this if it is already their job to enforce the law. Paying them a reward/tip for doing something that they already should be doing is B.S.!

But I'm all for encouraging the good cops to grow a spine, and if it takes a reward, heck, I guess I could support it. Just pointing out that it sucks that that is even necessary!

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I think there's a lot of preaching to the choir on this thread.

We really need to stop doing that and start discussing solutions and action. Most of us are already WELL VERSED in the problems.

I agree with this statement...

...and I see that was the intent of your post...one solution to bad cops is to organize a reward pool that goes to the good cops that expose the bad ones.

I like what Antonio Buehler is doing with Peaceful Streets to attempt to bring accountability.

Another person above threw out the legislative idea of removing internal affairs jurisdiction from the respective department in favor of an elected official...which brings up other problems as also pointed out above.

I tried to set up a neighborhood watch in the apartment complex I live in, but was met with a little resistance from mgt.

What else do you propose?

I think if you wanted to try to something like this, you'd need a mole, an officer inside who's willing to build a coalition to rout out the corruption.

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