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Should People Be Concerned About "Anti-Bullying" Laws?

Ive noticed a lot of campaigning for this lately. Is this really a noble cause? The "anti-bullying" campaigns seems to be originating from stopbullying. gov Not sure who is funding it.

Bullying has been going on since the beginning of time. You cannot stop it, so what is the goal? Criminalize freedom of speech both in person and on the internet? Freedom of speech isnt there to discuss the weather. Is the campaign an excuse to infringe on the first amendment and internet freedom?

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Yep, it's another trick

...courtesy of cultural marxism.

When the "bully" meme started getting big press, I noticed that it didn't take more than a week before there were "Stop bullying!" ads plastered on the sides of buses around town. It was an orchestrated PR blitz of sound a fury, designed to make you feel guilty and more agreeable to loudmouths shouting "Here's the solution!"

Bullies are like greed: there's never a time in history when they're "...especially problematic recently so something must be done NOW!"

govs are bullies

of course gov does not want children to learn to stand up to bullies.

They should apply this sort of law to themselves FIRST

It would sure improve our foreign policy! ;)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

We Don't

need anymore freakin laws. They just want to control everything we do!

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Cyril's picture

The one liner.

^^^ THIS is the one liner we ought to just keep in my mind as naturally it is (to most people I hope) to wash one's hands right after the toilets and before a meal.

The Law gets perverted FIRST thanks to its nonsensical numbers, volumes, and complexity.

It's as simple as that.

And this is, once again, NOTHING NEW.

Ancient Rome itself ALSO fell because of its eventually over-bloated, rotten legislative body, with a tangled mess of legalese threads, piles of nonsense that can serve only the goals of whoever has enough money to buy the most lawyers... or judges.

Never mind the people fundamental, natural rights eaten in the process by the very same cancer of unjust, perverted laws.

It's part of TPTB's plans to have the latter forgotten, or better yet, debased, laughed at, deemed "obsolete" or "no more relevant". Mounts of perverted laws ALSO help a lot in that process.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I propose we bully the bullies attempting to bully us

into not bullying until they stop trying to bully us into not bullying.

Yes, people should be afraid, namely the people pushing the legislation; they should be bullied post haste into minding their own business.

I propose an anti-bullying

I propose an anti-bullying campaign against the SPLC.

I'm not so sure it's about

I'm not so sure it's about free speech as it is about the freedom to be offended and roll with it.

As the mother of a middle schooler, I see a burgeoning of policies and mission statements and programs attempting to curtail bullying at schools.

It’s apparently such a big and growing problem that we need to have all these programs in our schools — our school actually buys a $10,000-a-year program and takes students out of an English/science/history/math class once a week to swap out for a period of this program.

Question 1: Is bullying really so much worse today than it ever was?

I read Great Brain books growing up and then to my son. In these historical novels, bullying resulted in bloody noses and bruises and was commonplace. My folks had tales of bloody faces when I asked them about bullying. The emphasis on the bully programs today seem to be as much, if not more so, about saying bad things and making someone feel bad.

Question 2: Do the anti-bully programs that promote telling authorities work long term? Or do they train us to not be self-reliant?

My husband and I just had a discussion about our 70s/80s school bully experiences. We both contended with bullies. When I told my mom about such an experience, she told me to “heap burning coals” by saying nice things to anyone who messed with me; my dad made me take Judo lessons when he heard I had physical trouble with a schoolmate. My husband’s dad gave him brass knuckles when he heard his boy was having trouble with a bully. In short, we were told to take care of it ourselves, and we were given tools to do so.

Question 3: What is bullying?

I know this sounds stupid, but after culling through my son’s middle school’s bullying policy, there all sorts of things that just sound like uncomfortable social situations to me.

For example, under the definitions of verbal abuse, we get – name calling, slurs, teasing. My son hardly brushes his hair. I actually don’t care much; he’s fourteen, he can manage his own hair. If his peers tease and name call, he’ll get a clue through social consequences — or not. I fail to see how being teased and called to task for a failing to care about social cues amounts to bullying. Even if we take something less frivolous, saying being fat, a teased kid can research how not to be fat and start not being fat if he cares so much about the fat-teasing.

Another example, our school lists exclusion among the types of bullying. It defines exclusion as purposefully excluding someone by telling friends to avoid someone. This one really gets to me. I actually consider it a responsibility to warn friends against a person I consider detrimental. This is one of the purposes of having a trusted social circle; yet bullying policies consider this social isolation and bad — even actionable. Where and why did it become policy to force social interaction with people you don’t respect? Where does that sort of training lead?

Question 4: Where does the real bullying — the bullying of consequence — go down?

My son’s school website links to a site that includes a dear-Abby-sort-of-exchange with real teens. I read through the first ten. Every one of them was a kid writing in about trouble with a parent –usually a father, usually a step-father. How is that addressed through a school-sanctioned anti-bullying program? I wonder if the bully programs in schools aren’t shields that deflect root causes -- crappy parents.

I wonder because I see bully tactics play out in adult life all the time. If someone argues their point and eviscerates mine, I feel bullied. If I have some authority to complain to, guess what I don’t do? Go back and figure my points more effectively. Or change my mind.

Question 5: Do we get to cry bully after school?

I guess we do. Workplace and domestic cases abound. Someone feels bullied, and someone cries foul. Isn’t getting one up on someone else’s power base integral to debate, to the entire process of figuring out the best truth we can come up with? If someone can’t comb his hair or is fat or comes to the table with easily eviscerated arguments, shouldn’t his peers call him on such lax behaviors or thinking? Why should it be so important how the looser in the argument feels?

I totally agree

I would go so far as to say that other rigid policies against self-defense exacerbate bullying by removing control from the victim and consequences from the perpetrator.

I was deeply frustrated by hazing and bullying that my grade school aged son was experiencing. I tried to teach him verbal self-defense (I've never had to use my fists myself) but he was so timid and sensitive that teaching him verbal come-backs became a comedy routine as he matched the wrong phrase with the wrong insult. He just didn't have the verbal skills to parry with his tormentors.

One day, we got a phone call from the school telling us that our son had committed the ultimate sin of punching his bully. We sat, listening to the teacher, the councilor, and the principal as they informed us that this incident would go on his 'permanent record.' When they finished, I let them have it. I was proud of my son, I said, and for the first time in his life, he stood up for himself. You, his 'guardians' at school, failed to protect him from bullies so he was protecting himself. Instead of writing him up, they should be praising him. The school was dumbfounded. They didn't know what to say.

When I went home, I told my son he had done nothing wrong. But the reprimand from the school sunk deep into his heart, and for the rest of his school career he was angry and sullen due to a school-imposed helplessness. In the years since high school, he has learned to trust and open up, and much of his anger and depression has dissipated. How many kids can't do that? How much violence in schools is from the schools own policy of deliberate victimhood?

I'm no fan of the modern education establishment. They have advanced degrees, huge budgets, authority...but not a lick of common sense.

Ron, your story was moving.

Ron, your story was moving. So glad your son got to see you stand up for him even if the school authorities would not.

Just recently my son had a similar experience. He'd reported the behavior of a kid several times over the course of months to his teacher, who did nothing. This kid would do things like mess up his papers, poke him, ask him to fight, and repetitive verbal stuff. A few weeks ago, the kid was jabbing at my son's papers and saying, "What are you going to do?" over and over. My son finally said, "I'm going to punch you in the face." And he did. Right in the middle of class. Before the kid had even told the teacher, half the class was applauding my son. The teacher had to tell the kids how inappropriate it was to be clapping while the bully kid was crying and getting taken to the office.

My son got a half-day in-school detention, which he was quite proud to serve. His PE teacher even came into the detention room and said something like, "I can't say you did the right thing, but I can think it." For several days afterward, kids were thanking my son. Apparently this kid was a butt to lots of kids. I told my son to show a little friendliness to this kid and called the kid's parents to see if they wanted to get together to help these boys learn to tolerate each other for the next four years. Nothing has come of that yet. But the kid has been a whole lot nicer since.

My husband and I talked to our son about what other actions he could have taken and so forth, but we were actually quite proud that he'd stood up for himself and for other kids. We were quite proud of the other kids, who spontaneously supported our son's actions even while the teacher reprimanded them.

Excellent post!

This type of "education" is why kids are now leaving high school and college unprepared to compete in a global economy. Whatever the career one chooses, he/she must know how to act in uncomfortable situations-and being pushed around verbally is certainly one of those situations.

Should everyone strive to treat others with respect: yes. Will everyone always be treated with respect: No!

Thanks for providing examples in your post! You are making he Daily Paul more insightful.

Thanks

Thanks for this post, you've made some great arguments. People changed me and I helped change others through bullying.

It seems to me

that the anti bullying stuff seems to make it easier for kids to bully the other kids. It used to be against the rules for the kids to call each other names, or to hit each other, or what not. Now its against the rules to "bully" .

This is just an excuse to extend laws and oppression in general

The government starts running schools

The government can't run schools or discipline effectively

So the government makes new "bullying laws" to cover and protect their own @ss

The government wants to point the finger at everyone else when government schools fail

Surprise, surprise. It is now the fault of teenage bullies.

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Exactly. This, too.

Exactly. This, too:

"The government wants to point the finger at everyone else when government schools fail. Surprise, surprise. It is now the fault of teenage bullies."

Indeed. Their trick is getting reaaaaaaally old, now.

Seriously.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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The answer is evident to me:

The answer is evident to me: it is a big YES.

YES, people should be concerned with EVERY SINGLE NEW FREAKING LAW that encourages or, "better" yet, FORCES people to:

1) surrender ON THEIR OWN individual or parental responsibilities,

in order to...

2) delegate part or all of those to the state and its power-greedy statists

THAT is how TPTB and/or corrupt governments enslave the people. SLOWLY BUT SURELY.

By treating them like their irresponsible pets and making them believe they have TO BE ALWAYS MORE MANAGED like so.

Such laws are USELESS for the people - on both bullies' parents' and bullied's sides.

Bullying is only a symptom of a general society decay.

If anyone wants "to fix" bullying: let the parents of the bullied have A LOT MORE FREEDOM to pressure BY THEMSELVES on the courts and judges for HARSHER penalties (by means of using the 1st Amendment and their elected reps.)

The parents of bullies WILL THINK TWICE before letting their brats go loose. Or just letting them to become brats to begin with.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius