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We Are NOT Winning.

Reality check, our movement is huge, and I mean HUGE.....on facebook.

However, I went to my local county Republican committee meeting today, and all I saw was the same old, old-guard Republicans there.

I am a Ron Paul Republican, and with any luck, I'll have a great candidate to support in 2016 for president, and other great candidates for local and national offices in 2014. However, if I continue to be the minority in my county, and if liberty loving people continue to be content winning battles on facebook, youtube, and other marginal formats, rather than becoming fully, and I mean FULLY engaged in the party, then we aren't going to win anything.

If you don't know how party politics work, you need to start asking those people who are involved. If you think winning debates on facebook is helping our cause, well....you are right, it is, but just not that much. We need to control our local Republican committees.

If you don't think that our best chance for liberty is moving through the Republican party, then ignore everything I've said.

If you agree that our best shot is through the GOP, then let me repeat myself just once more: We need to control our local Republican committees. The only way that happens is for us all to be involved, to become PC's, to attend the meetings, to get elected to local positions, etc.

We have to do it and we have to do it now, because as it stands, we are not winning.




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Why would we

do this from within the republican party? They are not us and we are not them.

Why would we

do this from within the republican party? They are not us and we are not them.

The democratic process will

The democratic process will not reward your efforts. There are too many people taking payments from the government.

Instead of wasting time with the Republicans, work toward the circulation of silver coinage. That really is all you have to do.

I AGREE

Hi,

I've been saying this for awhile. Of course I say we should fight dirty also, but no one likes to get there hands dirty. Besides that we need to take control of local positions and work our way up to State and Federal.

The problem is we have no leader, no organizers around each state to point us in the right direction. We have the numbers, we just need to organize. Connections is important though. The old saying it's not what you know, but who you know goes. Use what is available; churches, local businesses, friends, family, and other activist groups.

Anyways I might open up a liberty chapter in my local college and see where it goes.

Our only chance of winning is to win at the local level!

Simply choosing a new president will not fix a multi-tiered system based on corruption, terror and deception. Voting for local Sheriffs who will protect their citizen instead of defrauding them and who will refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws is the only way to achieve liberty. Appointing local judges who will allow nullification to be discussed in their court rooms.

Grassroots is the only way liberty can be regained and maintained.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Cyril's picture

Winning? Losing? Let's survive what's coming to us to begin with

Winning? Losing?

At this point, ALL I care about, FIRST, is having MY family able TO SURVIVE what's coming to us:

http://www.dailypaul.com/278536/interview-of-the-algerian-jo...

A survival which isn't, granted, incompatible in CONTINUING TO SPEAK OUT STEADILY, FIRMLY against all of this world wide FRAUD, RECKLESSNESS, IMMORALITY of peoples' "governments".

The FIGHT is HERE and NOW, in America, thanks to this on our side:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Up until now, anyway.

People, make no mistake:

whoever still believes in liberty HAS NO CHOICE.

There is NO PLACE ELSE to run to, we like it or not.

LOOK AT YOUR SOUL, AMERICA:

http://youtu.be/yfHWChrsYfk

DO NOT SURRENDER ON IT.

Peace.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I lost.

"At this point, ALL I care about, FIRST, is having MY family able TO SURVIVE what's coming to us:"

That is pretty much what I am about, make this world a place where my kids and grandkids and LIVE, "a better world" is a concern for down the road. Both my children have now decided that speaking out for truth is too dangerous, and now my family is... not. I don't ahve a family any more. I am here this morning out of habit, but I am phoning it in at this point. I am seriously considering selling the farm, running away to anywhere I can go, and waiting for the bastards to come get me. I'll be on a beach somewhere, hopefully too drunk to notice I am about to die.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

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Well, I feel you.

Well, I feel you.

Although it's a bit different here, as I'm in the middle of the family cell I sustain, I'm alone to speak out, too.

I know it's not always easy. But I'm not going to shut up. Someone will have to shut me up, if ever. If we don't speak out now, we might as well have left... yesterday. And that's the thing. AFAIC, there is no place else I want to see restored for us to live at.

I'm not going to quit.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Time will tell

Everything else is noise. The numbers in each election are what counts. Life is a game of inches and every inch must count!

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

I agree with ecliptic's comment below...

It is a waste of time to "convert" the GOP. I went to a couple local GOP meetings...I am the sole voice of liberty and reason in the group!! The entire meeting is comprised of the same "old farts" that have been there since the 60s...they live their lives with horse blinders on and cannot see or hear anything new or different...it's party uber alles. Like the liberal dems I know, they are all like the Terminator: they can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with...they don't feel pain or pity or remorse...and they will not stop...EVER...until any Republican is in the White House.
Because both Dems and Repubs are so awful and corrupt, it should be a goal to educate the masses on how bad BOTH sides are..then give them the 3rd-party alternative. I'm not sure if they'd go that way...they're all so damned stupid.

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

You couldn't be more wrong

As a former neocon republican who was personally converted to libertarian political philosophy from a liberty advocate in the republican party, let me please use this opportunity to say YOU ARE WRONG!

We should be doing everything we can to spread the philosophy, and those who are the closest to us, and the most open to our ideas are the republicans. We CAN influence them. I have personally converted several dozen NEOCON REPUBLICANS to support liberty!

Some of the 'internet libertarians' really should spend less time on the internet and go talk to some people about LIBERTY!!!

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Yeah, just like Ron Paul said

I went to a couple of meetings of the United States House Committee on Financial Services... what a waste of time to try to convert them. I am the sole voice of liberty and reason in the group!! The entire meeting is comprised of the same "old central bankers" that have been there since the 10s!

:)

Good for you, you went to "a

Good for you, you went to "a couple" of GOP meetings. Why can't you understand that going to 2 meetings isn't enough to say that "it's a waste of time to 'convert' the GOP".

You barely spent ANY time trying to do anything in the GOP.

Like the commenter below said, we can't change the minds of the existing GOP people, but we can outnumber them and elect our own to run the party. We've done exactly that in several states already, and came within a few votes in several more states.

Go ahead and work on your 3rd-party alternative, if you don't talk yourself out of it like you're doing in this comment ("I'm not sure if they'd go that way...they're all so damned stupid.")

If you're just going to sit around on your ass and speculate, YOU'RE just as stupid as 'they' are.

Who is saying "convert"

We aren't trying to convert 70 year old people who are set in their ways. We are trying to outnumber them at local GOP meetings. My county has about 30 of these people in our regular meetings. You mean I cant' find 31 liberty lovers to outnumber them in county business votes? The party belongs to those who show up. Right now, about 30 old people show up to the meetings, while hundreds of Ron Paul supporters sit on their ass and type stuff on facebook and the Dailypaul.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

While debating this...

please consider supporting a local constitutional sheriff. We had almost no liberty candidates running for sheriff in 2012. Some ran unopposed. If we could just get ONE constitutional sheriff elected - a NO-COMPROMISE constitutionalist I really believe it would spread across the country like a wild fire.

Wrong ... we are winning

Wrong ... we are winning

http://goldwater1964.com/index.php?option=com_easyblog&view=...

All paper money eventually returns to its real intrinsic value, zero. - Voltaire

The soulution ...

April 19 1775

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

June 10, 1772

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasp%C3%A9e_Affair

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

The solution....

....is September 22, 1981. That is when "snakepit22" came on the scene are started jacking fools up!!!!

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Have to come to grips with

Have to come to grips with the rigged vote counts. You can do everything else "right," and successfully, and still lose. Think about that.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

That's why we have to control the party.

Only about 30 people show up to my counties Republican meetings. So if we had about 31 RP supporter types (Gary Johnson, Rand Paul, types, etc) we'd start to take over the county business. That isn't a lot of people, but so far, we just don't have all these facebook warriors actually showing up to change the party. I know the votes during the primaries can't be trusted, so we have to be the people in charge of that process so we can ensure fairness. We can't ensure it's a fair vote by complaining online, we have to infiltrate the party.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I'm not talking about that.

The computers can be hacked. You can "control" the primaries all you want, but the vote count in both the primaries AND the general elections are now a fiction. You are up against criminals.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

You have a great point

but look what happened during the primaries - police were called in to squelch anyone who didn't bend to the old guard ways. It was really insane and very sad.

I truly admire those who got involved and took the hits.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

keyword

Control... the root of all slavery.

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

Yes....

...like when I "control" my emotions. Like when I "control" the xBox game. Like when I "control" my 2 year old and force her to go to bed at night. "Control" is just a useful word. The GOP is a private club with rules and traditions and influence on my life. I guess I could say, "We need to enslave the GOP", but I tend to think "control" has a much different feel to it. I do apologize though that you think I support slavery. Maybe I could just dance around every word I use so that people will know that I'm every bit the anarchist you are, or maybe I could do something useful with my time, like "control" the political party which has been negatively affecting my life for years.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

Actually, it is more like

Actually, it is more like guiding the GOP back to its roots. They need to remember. We should not have to use a leash.

Agreed

And the work has to start now.

GOP = waste o' time

They will cheat us again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again ,,,,,

Unless

"They" becomes we. As I told the last dude, there are only about 30 people who even participate in my counties Republican committee. Out of my entire county, you're telling me we can't find 31 liberty loving people to take over the county. If all these facebook warriors took over their counties, then "they" becomes "we" and We aren't going to cheat ourselves again and again and again

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I hear your frustration.

For example if the pot heads would just get up off the couch it would have been "legalized" long ago - (as well as being lawful/constitutional already).