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Man Detained by City & State Police While Open-Carrying, Diffuses Tense Situation with Knowledge (Video)

I couldn't find this video from 2012 posted anywhere here and thought y'all too would find this educational.


http://youtu.be/g71VfyHiWPA

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"Officer, I'm __________carrying a firearm".

Well, the fella in the video said, "legally".
The answer is, "Lawfully".

"Lawful" is the Constitution. Which guarantees our natural, God given rights.
"Legal" is corporate government statutes, codes and regulations. Which erode Constitutional protection.

The fella was Exercising Liberty, however it seemed that he was not in the course of his everyday business, rather he seemed to be actively seeking confrontation to make a point. I end every post with the phrase, "Exercise Liberty" and would never suggest otherwise however I would advise to exercise common sense as well.

PSA!

Attn: Lee County, Florida
Support the 2nd Amendment!
Tuesday, March 19 (tomorrow) the Lee County Commissioners will be considering a 2nd Amendment Resolution.
It is important that we fill the chamber to show our support !
Old Lee County Courthouse
2120 Main Street
Fort Myers, FL 33901
9:30 AM

Note: The State of Florida does not allow open carry. I will be wearing an empty holster as a silent protest. :-)
Concealed Carry is not allowed in the courthouse.

Exercise Liberty.


America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad

Dad Brain

Many older dad brains identify with the "serve and protect" myth.

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it.
Voltaire

The activist's Dad.

His Dad, what a moron (respectfully said). Looks like the son has some converting to do.

I commend the son for not telling his Dad to shut the hell up because he wasn't helping matters at all. The Dad could have been a support instead of siding with the dumbed-down po-leece.

Hopefully the Dad has learned a thing or two since this incident?

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

The only thing I could think

The only thing I could think of when Officer Horn was talking was Officer Rod Farva from Super Troopers.

I DON'T WANT A LARGE I WANT A GOSH DARN LITRE-A-COLA!!!

I was just thinking the same

I was just thinking the same thing! The officer looks and sounds exactly like Farva!

You just realized that 4/6 faces on federal reserve notes all opposed a central bank.

Ha! I was thinking the same

Ha! I was thinking the same thing!

The officer asked

"why are you walking when you have a car over there!"
My thought was, "uhhh - - officer, maybe if you walked more and drove less you wouldn't be so overweight"
But it really wouldn't have been a good thing to say to him! :-)

Maybe he could have answered with "I need to loose some weight, so I'm walking for the exercise" altho that really isn't the officers business.

Even if this guy was out to make a point about open carry, he was within his rights. And it looks like he did make the point!

Why are cops often over weight?

My brother worked in security for a nuclear power plant (he used to be a cop) and the company demanded weekly evidence that these guards were using the gym to keep in shape...isn't that a requirement for cops too?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

When the cop said...

..."open carry people shoot cops all the time," I would have said, "never heard of that before, but I have heard of criminal cops shooting innocent civilians by the hundreds or thousands every year. Look, if you're gonna throw a hissy fit over me LEGALLY carrying and don't feel comfortable with a civilian having a gun, then I'll agree to give up my weapon as soon as all of you cops agree to give up your guns. Agreed? What's not fair about that? Furthermore, I'm gonna be on my way, unless you are going to charge and arrest me for some false charges, for which I guarantee I will sue you because I have this all on film."

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Did he really

"diffuse" it though? it doesn't appear that way.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Anybody who things this is a good idea

is an idiot. You win the gun debate by being reasonable, not by creating trouble.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

Really?

Before I go on, I would like to point out something truly indicative of 'idiocy', then go on to what passes for 'the substance' of your post.

Your quote "Anybody who THINGS this is a good idea is an idiot".

I will leave that dangle out there for consideration.

There is no 'gun debate', there is only a constant effort to erode, infringe and restrict the RKBA, with the ultimate (for govt) goal of citizen disarmament.

There is only this most important of all fundamental liberties -vs- those who would restrict or remove it.

That is what constitutes your purported 'gun debate'.

I THINK that open carry is a fine practice, for a number of reasons. Among those reasons are:

*Openly laying claim to and exercising a fundamental liberty.

*Assisting the process of norming firearms carry amongst the populous.

*Assisting or forcing 'law enforcement' in learning the limitations on their anti-liberty/anti-constitution 'prior-restraint' authority, desires and practices.

*Educating collectivist-busybodies in society that although they may be 'bothered' or 'fearful' when someone exercises fundamental liberty, they can go piss up a rope because there is not police action to be taken other than wishing the open carrier to have a nice day as you drive by, and wave.

*Demonstrating to the populous at large that people carrying firearms do not spontaneously and uncontrollably erupt into mass shooting madmen or commit bad-acts.

I could go on and on and on, but why bother when obviously dealing with an idiot, eh?

Nice

Way to point out something of 'substance' by pointing out my spelling error.

All of those intentions you list might be good intentions, but if you get shot-up by a bunch of cops exercising your right the only story that's gonna be on the nightly news is 'Cops killed a man walking around carrying a loaded gun'. If you guys wanna become a martyr that way be my guest. Oh and the cops would get away with it too.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to open carry, I'm saying it could be a pretty dumb thing to do.

btw - I don't claim to an expert, just stating my opinion.

Ron Paul - Intellectual hero

You Opined...

...that anyone who thought open carry was a good idea, was an idiot.

Seems to me that when casting such a broad-derogatory 'non-substantive' stone, one would ensure that the simplistic, seemingly emotive 'point' was structured correctly,..hence my highlighting the analogous.

Other than that, my 'substantive' previous commentary stands, as is.

Perhaps he should have practiced a bit first?

Walking around with an empty holster, then moving up to a ripe banana in the holster, then moving up to a squirt gun in the holster, then finally...

How would a cop react if when called to the scene by a concerned motorist, he found a brown banana in a holster? If the point is to desensitize the public to open carry, perhaps we should work the public/police into it...

Howzabout open carry Wednesdays?

So quick to hate on cops.

Yes the guy has the right to open carry where he was but in no way was he using common sense. Walking on the side of the road as in not on a sidewalk and against the flow of traffic with a holstered gun. Regardless of the gun it was not a smart place to be walking, should at the very least been on the other side of the rail.

At the same time the officers should of very quickly realized the situation and let the guy leave on foot instead of attempting to win a pointless shouting contest while taking the opportunity to bully the man into submission, an attempt that failed.

That is All Nice...

...but what does that have to do with the fact that none of his actions were suspicious or criminal? What does that have to do with the lack of reasonable suspicion of the police to investigatively detain?

A man was going about his business, threatening or harming nobody and he was stopped and detained by 'law enforcement', illegally.

The police exceeded their lawful authority, period.

As far as I am concerned, they should get their snouts legally smacked as part of a critically necessary education process for them personally and others in the policing world.

It really is as simple as that.

You are supposed to walk

You are supposed to walk against the flow of traffic on a road with no sidewalk. Unless there is a sign saying no pedestrians (which would prohibit him from even walking behind the rail) he was being proper.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

I was about to say the same

I was about to say the same thing.You ARE supposed to walk against traffic, for your own safety. Visibility to see what is coming at you is the reason.

rights need to be exercised

these rights need to be exercised more often.
all that the media shows about weapons is in a negative lights (except when its our military killing brown people).
more good law abiding citizens need to carry weapons, so that people themselves will become normalized to the idea that just carrying a weapon is not bad.

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Dr.Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

I say we organize a protest where 10 of us walk different..

I say we organize an open carry protest where 10 of us walk different directions across this town happily waving at each other and the hyper-diaper police as they act out their roles as deputized Goober and Gomer backing up Barney Fife.

Sad but classic! Almost laughable!

Great line Mr. Trainee officer!?

First he says to the effect: 'I am asking questions which are not accusatory or incriminatory! No need to worry. Nothing here.'

A few moment later the same loud officer says: 'For all we know you maybe just robbed a bank!' Bingo! Confession of the true reason for the fifth amendment!

One can never really know the mind of the government. The courts have ruled that, any time evidence is used against a citizen from their own testimony, the objection against self incrimination will later be seen to have been properly and only allowed at the moment of the first question! The citizen cannot claim it later when his statements appear in evidence against him. By definition, any answer to a question from a peace officer is in fact, evidence!

Any officer who attempts to con a citizen from his claim against self incrimination by using an argument in his question that, 'he won't use the information', or that 'the information requested is not incriminatory', is violating his duty, his regulations of conduct, likely state law, and most certainly court decisions on the subject!

The officer cannot know the future use of answers solicited at this point! The officer must act in a manner which reflects his inability to know this. Once confronted with a proper fifth amendment objection it is most likely this agency's regulations of conduct will reveal the inappropriateness of this officers haranguing!

So, Lesson one: The officer is really burning a dim bulb.

Lesson two: By simple logic and definition, every word which comes out of your mouth, by law, and their own training and regulations, is already being used against you in their next question, if you answered! Keep in mind, the fact that he did not answer at first WILL BE NOTED IN THEIR REPORT! And, the fact that he then changed his mind, WILL AGAIN BE NOTED IN THEIR REPORT!

Lesson three (for the officers who are obviously in need of training):

What are they to do for an investigation when, as they say, they get a lot of calls reporting that 'somebody' is walking around with a gun? Are they to investigate the phone caller, or take it out on the walker with an open carry?

Good training answer: The first part of your investigation is to query the accuser before the accused! Therefore the officers should have got the caller back on the horn and asked, what the 'man with a gun' was doing with his gun, where he was going, was he brandishing it, and if so, was there a need for the gun owner to use it at that moment?!
(An aside here: I do not believe for a moment that there were MANY calls, but maybe one to three... that was likely an exaggeration, though not relevant. Still, the exaggeration is a reflection on the officer's frame of mind. They sounded disingenuous! Remember the bulb?)

Failing to identify a crime, or reasonable cause for there to be a crime in progress, the next duty of the dispatcher or sergeant in charge of that region, is to teach the public something new today... tell them what is right or wrong here, that it is fine, there is no crime apparently, and that the citizen is allowed to carry his gun openly if he wishes... so don't worry! The department can always quietly investigate, but that is just due diligence. It does not need to be an issue with which the caller need be involved.

All the above is accomplished as part of good police work, without even contacting the citizen with the open carry gun, regardless of his real intent! He is not breaking the law and has no duty to disclose anything!

Not a single intent or thought is subject to law except God's law at this point, and the officers are far from being empowered with God's clarity!

In fact, they are public servants and their first duty is to vet the legitimacy of the complaint, then dismiss the complainant with an educational, good public-relations explanation!

I have this guy on skype.

I messaged him as soon as I saw the video to give him some pointers. He did a really good job considering the pressure he was under. For anyone who hasn't been in this situation: Your heart is racing and your adrenalin is pumping because you don't know if these ANIMALS are going to pounce on you and start beating the crap out of you at any moment.

Not to mention if you studder or can't generally find your words you're probably going to jail.

Word

That stuttering thing can come out of nowhere and get pretty bad.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

This is why all cops should be required to pass high school...

This is why all cops should be required to pass high school with more than a D+ grade point average.

Barney Fife had way more experience and education than the trooper and 2-3 local nincompoops that backed him up.

These guys think they have the ability to arrest and detain you for no reason whatsoever.

Oh, and once you start talking to police you have given up your fifth amendment right.

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Not just that, they should also pass a citizenship test....

with special emphasis on the Bill of Rights, and the writers' intent!

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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Man Detained by City & State Police While Open-Carrying, CREATES Tense Situation with Knowledge (Video)

Porky was out lookin' for a little po-po attention.

And he got it.

He got the hair-trigger brainwashed division all up in his shit.

He's lucky his Daddy showed up and "diffused" things just with his presence.

He probably watched himself in the video 20 times with a woodie.

I see three people in that

I see three people in that video wearing scary ninja costumes threatening people with guns. Someone should call the cops on them.

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